ASF Request for Functionality

[Tim Ruppert]

Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to finish the  
implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!

I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA application in  
OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that  
detail here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete the  
CRMSFA application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and we've got  
almost all of the pieces sitting there already).  As many of you know,  
this is a pretty big deal and this discussion continued into other  
realms as the ASF wants to eat their own dog food, and OFBiz happens  
to be the best platform for building these vertical applications.

We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this and  
will offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this  
tends to help).  We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but  
it'd be nice to know what other people in the community might want to  
be a part of this so that it can be more coordinated.  Looking forward  
to hearing feedback and excitement over this neat opportunity!

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595

[David E Jones-3]

I spoke with Tim about this and some clarification might be helpful.

What the ASF is actually looking for, based on what I heard from  
people (and this seems to be consistent with what Tim heard when I  
spoke with him):

1. project management (replace Jira)
2. content management (replace the various wiki servers)
3. foundation management (replace lots of scripts and manually  
maintained text files)

To push these along and start better defining what these mean, I've  
added some skeletons to the Universal Business Process Library with  
stories specific to these purposes:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+OFBiz
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation

For an intro to the UBPL and to see what these will be like:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction

If anyone would like to get involved with ideas (go into the Ideas to  
Incorporate section) or on the Story itself, please write to the list  
and start sending ideas about things to include, or activities that we  
perform as part of OFBiz and as part of ASF.

-David


On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:

> Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to finish  
> the implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!
>
> I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA application  
> in OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that  
> detail here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete  
> the CRMSFA application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and  
> we've got almost all of the pieces sitting there already).  As many  
> of you know, this is a pretty big deal and this discussion continued  
> into other realms as the ASF wants to eat their own dog food, and  
> OFBiz happens to be the best platform for building these vertical  
> applications.
>
> We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this and  
> will offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this  
> tends to help).  We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but  
> it'd be nice to know what other people in the community might want  
> to be a part of this so that it can be more coordinated.  Looking  
> forward to hearing feedback and excitement over this neat opportunity!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>

[Tim Ruppert]

Thanks David - this is accurate.  The thing that I'm not sure about is  
#3 - the foundation management part.  This might be angled towards  
their request for the CRM application - but when Aaron and I discussed  
it - it seemed more like traditional CRM rather than foundation  
management.  Anyways, more discussion is necessary there - but thanks  
again for putting the pen to paper on all of this.

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595

On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:08 PM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> I spoke with Tim about this and some clarification might be helpful.
>
> What the ASF is actually looking for, based on what I heard from  
> people (and this seems to be consistent with what Tim heard when I  
> spoke with him):
>
> 1. project management (replace Jira)
> 2. content management (replace the various wiki servers)
> 3. foundation management (replace lots of scripts and manually  
> maintained text files)
>
> To push these along and start better defining what these mean, I've  
> added some skeletons to the Universal Business Process Library with  
> stories specific to these purposes:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+OFBiz
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation
>
> For an intro to the UBPL and to see what these will be like:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction
>
> If anyone would like to get involved with ideas (go into the Ideas  
> to Incorporate section) or on the Story itself, please write to the  
> list and start sending ideas about things to include, or activities  
> that we perform as part of OFBiz and as part of ASF.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>> Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to finish  
>> the implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!
>>
>> I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA application  
>> in OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that  
>> detail here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete  
>> the CRMSFA application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and  
>> we've got almost all of the pieces sitting there already).  As many  
>> of you know, this is a pretty big deal and this discussion  
>> continued into other realms as the ASF wants to eat their own dog  
>> food, and OFBiz happens to be the best platform for building these  
>> vertical applications.
>>
>> We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this and  
>> will offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this  
>> tends to help).  We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but  
>> it'd be nice to know what other people in the community might want  
>> to be a part of this so that it can be more coordinated.  Looking  
>> forward to hearing feedback and excitement over this neat  
>> opportunity!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>

[Bruno Busco]

Having OFBiz used in ASF for (#1, #2 and #3) looks really challenging!
It is a very good occasion to coordinate efforts towards a common (to all
developers) vertical end-user application.

-Bruno


2008/11/20 David E Jones <[hidden email]>

>
> I spoke with Tim about this and some clarification might be helpful.
>
> What the ASF is actually looking for, based on what I heard from people
> (and this seems to be consistent with what Tim heard when I spoke with him):
>
> 1. project management (replace Jira)
> 2. content management (replace the various wiki servers)
> 3. foundation management (replace lots of scripts and manually maintained
> text files)
>
> To push these along and start better defining what these mean, I've added
> some skeletons to the Universal Business Process Library with stories
> specific to these purposes:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+OFBiz
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation
>
> For an intro to the UBPL and to see what these will be like:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction
>
> If anyone would like to get involved with ideas (go into the Ideas to
> Incorporate section) or on the Story itself, please write to the list and
> start sending ideas about things to include, or activities that we perform
> as part of OFBiz and as part of ASF.
>
> -David
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>  Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to finish the
>> implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!
>>
>> I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA application in
>> OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that detail
>> here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete the CRMSFA
>> application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and we've got almost all
>> of the pieces sitting there already).  As many of you know, this is a pretty
>> big deal and this discussion continued into other realms as the ASF wants to
>> eat their own dog food, and OFBiz happens to be the best platform for
>> building these vertical applications.
>>
>> We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this and will
>> offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this tends to help).
>>  We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but it'd be nice to know what
>> other people in the community might want to be a part of this so that it can
>> be more coordinated.  Looking forward to hearing feedback and excitement
>> over this neat opportunity!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>

[Pierre Smits]

As ASF acts as a nonprofit organisation and I recently saw a request in de
User ML by Wayne Burke regarding implementations in non-profit organisations
there is an opportunity here to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

One is the enhancement of the CRM module and the other is the, when properly
documented, the implementation. Hopefully ASF requirements regarding the CRM
module are feasable.

This will create visibility enormously.

Regards,

Pierre

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Bruno Busco <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Having OFBiz used in ASF for (#1, #2 and #3) looks really challenging!
> It is a very good occasion to coordinate efforts towards a common (to all
> developers) vertical end-user application.
>
> -Bruno
>
>
> 2008/11/20 David E Jones <[hidden email]>
>
> >
> > I spoke with Tim about this and some clarification might be helpful.
> >
> > What the ASF is actually looking for, based on what I heard from people
> > (and this seems to be consistent with what Tim heard when I spoke with
> him):
> >
> > 1. project management (replace Jira)
> > 2. content management (replace the various wiki servers)
> > 3. foundation management (replace lots of scripts and manually maintained
> > text files)
> >
> > To push these along and start better defining what these mean, I've added
> > some skeletons to the Universal Business Process Library with stories
> > specific to these purposes:
> >
> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+OFBiz
> >
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation
> >
> > For an intro to the UBPL and to see what these will be like:
> >
> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction
> >
> > If anyone would like to get involved with ideas (go into the Ideas to
> > Incorporate section) or on the Story itself, please write to the list and
> > start sending ideas about things to include, or activities that we
> perform
> > as part of OFBiz and as part of ASF.
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> >
> >  Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to finish the
> >> implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!
> >>
> >> I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA application in
> >> OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that detail
> >> here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete the CRMSFA
> >> application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and we've got almost
> all
> >> of the pieces sitting there already).  As many of you know, this is a
> pretty
> >> big deal and this discussion continued into other realms as the ASF
> wants to
> >> eat their own dog food, and OFBiz happens to be the best platform for
> >> building these vertical applications.
> >>
> >> We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this and will
> >> offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this tends to
> help).
> >>  We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but it'd be nice to know
> what
> >> other people in the community might want to be a part of this so that it
> can
> >> be more coordinated.  Looking forward to hearing feedback and excitement
> >> over this neat opportunity!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tim
> >> --
> >> Tim Ruppert
> >> HotWax Media
> >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >>
> >> o:801.649.6594
> >> f:801.649.6595
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[wmburke]

Pierre,

Thank you for the inclusion. I seem to be entering this in the middle of a
conversation, but am happy to contribute as may be possible for developing a
legitimate and easy to use nonprofit CRM and Fund Accounting solution.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am the Executive Director of a new
organization so I will have a lot of insight and not a lot of time to push
this project forward in the short term.

Nonetheless, I'm excited at the prospect,
Wayne

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>wrote:

> As ASF acts as a nonprofit organisation and I recently saw a request in de
> User ML by Wayne Burke regarding implementations in non-profit organisations
> there is an opportunity here to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
>
> One is the enhancement of the CRM module and the other is the, when
> properly documented, the implementation. Hopefully ASF requirements
> regarding the CRM module are feasable.
>
> This will create visibility enormously.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pierre
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Bruno Busco <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> Having OFBiz used in ASF for (#1, #2 and #3) looks really challenging!
>> It is a very good occasion to coordinate efforts towards a common (to all
>> developers) vertical end-user application.
>>
>> -Bruno
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/20 David E Jones <[hidden email]>
>>
>> >
>> > I spoke with Tim about this and some clarification might be helpful.
>> >
>> > What the ASF is actually looking for, based on what I heard from people
>> > (and this seems to be consistent with what Tim heard when I spoke with
>> him):
>> >
>> > 1. project management (replace Jira)
>> > 2. content management (replace the various wiki servers)
>> > 3. foundation management (replace lots of scripts and manually
>> maintained
>> > text files)
>> >
>> > To push these along and start better defining what these mean, I've
>> added
>> > some skeletons to the Universal Business Process Library with stories
>> > specific to these purposes:
>> >
>> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+OFBiz
>> >
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation
>> >
>> > For an intro to the UBPL and to see what these will be like:
>> >
>> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction
>> >
>> > If anyone would like to get involved with ideas (go into the Ideas to
>> > Incorporate section) or on the Story itself, please write to the list
>> and
>> > start sending ideas about things to include, or activities that we
>> perform
>> > as part of OFBiz and as part of ASF.
>> >
>> > -David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> >
>> >  Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to finish the
>> >> implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA application in
>> >> OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that detail
>> >> here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete the CRMSFA
>> >> application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and we've got almost
>> all
>> >> of the pieces sitting there already).  As many of you know, this is a
>> pretty
>> >> big deal and this discussion continued into other realms as the ASF
>> wants to
>> >> eat their own dog food, and OFBiz happens to be the best platform for
>> >> building these vertical applications.
>> >>
>> >> We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this and
>> will
>> >> offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this tends to
>> help).
>> >>  We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but it'd be nice to know
>> what
>> >> other people in the community might want to be a part of this so that
>> it can
>> >> be more coordinated.  Looking forward to hearing feedback and
>> excitement
>> >> over this neat opportunity!
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Tim
>> >> --
>> >> Tim Ruppert
>> >> HotWax Media
>> >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>
>> >> o:801.649.6594
>> >> f:801.649.6595
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

--
Wayne Moses Burke
Executive Director
The Open Forum Foundation
http://openforumfoundation.org
202.640.1787
LinkedIn.com/in/wmburke

"Giving you a voice in the decisions that shape your world"

[David E Jones-3]

Wayne (and Pierre),

Insight and ideas are exactly what we need right now.

There are two forms you might consider using to write up your thoughts:

1. general functionality/capability statements
2. process stories

There are sections for each of these in a document on the OFBiz docs  
site:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation

which is part of a more general business process library effort:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index

The first link is fairly specifically for the ASF, since that is our  
first target audience, but feel free to submit things (as comments  
there, or as an email to this mailing list) that are more general. If  
there is too much stuff that doesn't really fit with the ASF, then  
we'll just create another story page for it!

-David


On Nov 21, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Wayne Moses Burke wrote:

> Pierre,
>
> Thank you for the inclusion. I seem to be entering this in the  
> middle of a
> conversation, but am happy to contribute as may be possible for  
> developing a
> legitimate and easy to use nonprofit CRM and Fund Accounting solution.
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, I am the Executive Director of a  
> new
> organization so I will have a lot of insight and not a lot of time  
> to push
> this project forward in the short term.
>
> Nonetheless, I'm excited at the prospect,
> Wayne
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Pierre Smits  
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> As ASF acts as a nonprofit organisation and I recently saw a  
>> request in de
>> User ML by Wayne Burke regarding implementations in non-profit  
>> organisations
>> there is an opportunity here to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
>>
>> One is the enhancement of the CRM module and the other is the, when
>> properly documented, the implementation. Hopefully ASF requirements
>> regarding the CRM module are feasable.
>>
>> This will create visibility enormously.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Bruno Busco  
>> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>> Having OFBiz used in ASF for (#1, #2 and #3) looks really  
>>> challenging!
>>> It is a very good occasion to coordinate efforts towards a common  
>>> (to all
>>> developers) vertical end-user application.
>>>
>>> -Bruno
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/11/20 David E Jones <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spoke with Tim about this and some clarification might be  
>>>> helpful.
>>>>
>>>> What the ASF is actually looking for, based on what I heard from  
>>>> people
>>>> (and this seems to be consistent with what Tim heard when I spoke  
>>>> with
>>> him):
>>>>
>>>> 1. project management (replace Jira)
>>>> 2. content management (replace the various wiki servers)
>>>> 3. foundation management (replace lots of scripts and manually
>>> maintained
>>>> text files)
>>>>
>>>> To push these along and start better defining what these mean, I've
>>> added
>>>> some skeletons to the Universal Business Process Library with  
>>>> stories
>>>> specific to these purposes:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+OFBiz
>>>>
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/Story+of+Apache+Software+Foundation
>>>>
>>>> For an intro to the UBPL and to see what these will be like:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBREQDES/UBPL+Introduction
>>>>
>>>> If anyone would like to get involved with ideas (go into the  
>>>> Ideas to
>>>> Incorporate section) or on the Story itself, please write to the  
>>>> list
>>> and
>>>> start sending ideas about things to include, or activities that we
>>> perform
>>>> as part of OFBiz and as part of ASF.
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Calling all people who'd like to be a part of the effort to  
>>>> finish the
>>>>> implementation of CRMSFA in OFBiz!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that everyone knows the history of the CRMSFA  
>>>>> application in
>>>>> OFBiz and other derivative applications, so I won't go into that  
>>>>> detail
>>>>> here, but needless to say, we've had a request to complete the  
>>>>> CRMSFA
>>>>> application in OFBiz by the ASF for internal use (and we've got  
>>>>> almost
>>> all
>>>>> of the pieces sitting there already).  As many of you know, this  
>>>>> is a
>>> pretty
>>>>> big deal and this discussion continued into other realms as the  
>>>>> ASF
>>> wants to
>>>>> eat their own dog food, and OFBiz happens to be the best  
>>>>> platform for
>>>>> building these vertical applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a number of resources that could be ready to go on this  
>>>>> and
>>> will
>>>>> offer to dedicate someone to help drive the process (as this  
>>>>> tends to
>>> help).
>>>>> We'd start / continue driving this thru JIRA, but it'd be nice  
>>>>> to know
>>> what
>>>>> other people in the community might want to be a part of this so  
>>>>> that
>>> it can
>>>>> be more coordinated.  Looking forward to hearing feedback and
>>> excitement
>>>>> over this neat opportunity!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tim Ruppert
>>>>> HotWax Media
>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>>
>>>>> o:801.649.6594
>>>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Wayne Moses Burke
> Executive Director
> The Open Forum Foundation
> http://openforumfoundation.org
> 202.640.1787
> LinkedIn.com/in/wmburke
>
> "Giving you a voice in the decisions that shape your world"