Hi,
Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? -- Abhijeet Pandey |
As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not something ready out of the box.
Kind regards, Jacopo On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: > Hi, > > Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? > > -- > Abhijeet Pandey |
All,
Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to the list on Friday 20th? I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my system here? BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts if required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a time-bound deadline for bids. Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" configuration, i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower ones (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). Thanks & regards Carsten 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> > As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not something > ready out of the box. > > Kind regards, > > Jacopo > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? > > > > -- > > Abhijeet Pandey > > -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany |
Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure -
probably another special purpose app, eh? Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: > All, > > Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to > the > list on Friday 20th? > I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. > > Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left > my > system here? > > BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts > if > required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a > time-bound deadline for bids. > > Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" > configuration, > i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower > ones > (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). > > Thanks & regards > > > Carsten > > > > 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> > >> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >> something >> ready out of the box. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jacopo >> >> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>> >>> -- >>> Abhijeet Pandey >> >> > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment |
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[Snip] >Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my >system here? I guess Jacopo answered for both demands Jacques >Thanks & regards >Carsten 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> > As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not something > ready out of the box. > > Kind regards, > > Jacopo > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? > > > > -- > > Abhijeet Pandey > > -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany |
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From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> >From: "Carsten Schinzer" <[hidden email]> > [Snip] >>Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my >>system here? > > I guess Jacopo answered for both demands > Jacques And also most of the time no answers means nobody has a solution Jacques >>Thanks & regards >>Carsten > > > 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> > >> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not something >> ready out of the box. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Jacopo >> >> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >> > >> > -- >> > Abhijeet Pandey >> >> > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany > |
Yeah, sometimes the mailing list works like a restaurant. If you walk in
the restaurant and ask "Does anyone in here own a red Honda?" you can assume no response means no one in there owns a red Honda. -Adrian Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> >From: "Carsten Schinzer" <[hidden email]> >> [Snip] >>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my >>> system here? >> >> I guess Jacopo answered for both demands >> Jacques > > And also most of the time no answers means nobody has a solution > Jacques > >>> Thanks & regards >>> Carsten >> >> >> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >> >>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >>> something >>> ready out of the box. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Abhijeet Pandey >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best >> >> Carsten Schinzer >> >> Waisenhausstr. 53a >> 80637 München >> Germany >> > > > |
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Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full app.
It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue of products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID". Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight yet into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an extension to that. More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will require? E-Bay-style? Regards Carsten 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> > Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - probably > another special purpose app, eh? > > Cheers, > Ruppert > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: > > All, >> >> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to the >> list on Friday 20th? >> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. >> >> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my >> system here? >> >> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts if >> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a >> time-bound deadline for bids. >> >> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" configuration, >> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower ones >> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). >> >> Thanks & regards >> >> >> Carsten >> >> >> >> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >> >> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not something >>> ready out of the box. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Abhijeet Pandey >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Best >> >> Carsten Schinzer >> >> Waisenhausstr. 53a >> 80637 München >> Germany >> > > -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany |
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OK guys, I think I got it now.
I was just surprised to see "the lists memory" being THAT short ;-) 2009/11/24 Adrian Crum <[hidden email]> > Yeah, sometimes the mailing list works like a restaurant. If you walk in > the restaurant and ask "Does anyone in here own a red Honda?" you can assume > no response means no one in there owns a red Honda. > > -Adrian > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> >>> >From: "Carsten Schinzer" <[hidden email]> >>> [Snip] >>> >>>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my >>>> system here? >>>> >>> >>> I guess Jacopo answered for both demands >>> Jacques >>> >> >> And also most of the time no answers means nobody has a solution >> Jacques >> >> Thanks & regards >>>> Carsten >>>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >>> >>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >>>> something >>>> ready out of the box. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Abhijeet Pandey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Carsten Schinzer >>> >>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>> 80637 München >>> Germany >>> >>> >> >> >> -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany |
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Hi Carsten,
Not exactly ebay style. i would like to have auction engine which has both time bound and expected price (not the minimum price) of the product is reached. Still in discussion stage that how it will work and all. Will let you know as soon as it will be clear. BTW, what is model which you will be following? And what are the plans to go ahead with it. Thanks, Abhijeet Pandey On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email] > wrote: > Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full > app. > > It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue of > products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. > "AUCTION" or "BID". > Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight yet > into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an extension > to that. > > More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will > require? E-Bay-style? > > Regards > > Carsten > > > 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> > > > Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - > probably > > another special purpose app, eh? > > > > Cheers, > > Ruppert > > -- > > Tim Ruppert > > HotWax Media > > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > > o:801.649.6594 > > f:801.649.6595 > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: > > > > All, > >> > >> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to the > >> list on Friday 20th? > >> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. > >> > >> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my > >> system here? > >> > >> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts if > >> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a > >> time-bound deadline for bids. > >> > >> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" > configuration, > >> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower ones > >> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). > >> > >> Thanks & regards > >> > >> > >> Carsten > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> > >> > >> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not > something > >>> ready out of the box. > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Abhijeet Pandey > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Carsten Schinzer > >> > >> Waisenhausstr. 53a > >> 80637 München > >> Germany > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany > -- Abhijeet Pandey |
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I think Tim is right in saying it should be an another special purpose app.,
but when I read that "just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID", I was confused ..and didn't thought on it much as I was busy with some other issues. But what I feel is it will be better if we can have another component for auction, as the it can get quite complicated The reasons why I fee this is : 1) Recenlty there was a mail from someone regarding the entities created it database, I mean if someone is not using Auction, than too there will be entities related to Auction, I guess we can avoid this by having this as a separate component, if not required the user can just not load the component 2) This will keep the Auction this separate, I guess this would avoid unnecessary complexity in ecommerce 3) I don't know if the effort has started, but there was a discussion on making the components independent & using maven script. Can't think of any more points :) As you will be developing the Auction thing, I guess, from scratch, it will be better if we keep these things in mind. Above all are my thoughts, maybe I am missing something or have not paid much attention to details. Let me know your thoughts ... I guess these points applies to all new components that we will be making in future. Thanks, Abdullah On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email] > wrote: > Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full > app. > > It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue of > products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. > "AUCTION" or "BID". > Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight yet > into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an extension > to that. > > More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will > require? E-Bay-style? > > Regards > > Carsten > > > 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> > > > Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - > probably > > another special purpose app, eh? > > > > Cheers, > > Ruppert > > -- > > Tim Ruppert > > HotWax Media > > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > > o:801.649.6594 > > f:801.649.6595 > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: > > > > All, > >> > >> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to the > >> list on Friday 20th? > >> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. > >> > >> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my > >> system here? > >> > >> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts if > >> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a > >> time-bound deadline for bids. > >> > >> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" > configuration, > >> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower ones > >> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). > >> > >> Thanks & regards > >> > >> > >> Carsten > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> > >> > >> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not > something > >>> ready out of the box. > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Abhijeet Pandey > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Carsten Schinzer > >> > >> Waisenhausstr. 53a > >> 80637 München > >> Germany > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany > |
On Nov 25, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Abdullah Shaikh wrote: > I think Tim is right in saying it should be an another special purpose app., Where to put it depends on how people want to use it. For example, if you want to be able to build a site that has a mix or purchase and auction items then having it developed as separate apps would be rather inconvenient. On the other hand, if they were developed as a single application and items showed based on configuration then it would still be easy to have sites that do only purchase or auction items. -David > but when I read that "just the product using a different pricing type called > e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID", I was confused ..and didn't thought on it much as I > was busy with some other issues. > > But what I feel is it will be better if we can have another component for > auction, as the it can get quite complicated > > The reasons why I fee this is : > > 1) Recenlty there was a mail from someone regarding the entities created it > database, I mean if someone is not using Auction, than too there will be > entities related to Auction, I guess we can avoid this by having this as a > separate component, if not required the user can just not load the component > > 2) This will keep the Auction this separate, I guess this would avoid > unnecessary complexity in ecommerce > > 3) I don't know if the effort has started, but there was a discussion on > making the components independent & using maven script. > > Can't think of any more points :) > > As you will be developing the Auction thing, I guess, from scratch, it will > be better if we keep these things in mind. > > Above all are my thoughts, maybe I am missing something or have not paid > much attention to details. > > Let me know your thoughts ... I guess these points applies to all new > components that we will be making in future. > > Thanks, > Abdullah > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email] >> wrote: > >> Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full >> app. >> >> It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue of >> products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. >> "AUCTION" or "BID". >> Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight yet >> into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an extension >> to that. >> >> More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will >> require? E-Bay-style? >> >> Regards >> >> Carsten >> >> >> 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> >> >>> Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - >> probably >>> another special purpose app, eh? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> -- >>> Tim Ruppert >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: >>> >>> All, >>>> >>>> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to the >>>> list on Friday 20th? >>>> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. >>>> >>>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left my >>>> system here? >>>> >>>> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts if >>>> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a >>>> time-bound deadline for bids. >>>> >>>> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" >> configuration, >>>> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower ones >>>> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). >>>> >>>> Thanks & regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Carsten >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >> something >>>>> ready out of the box. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Jacopo >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Abhijeet Pandey >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>> >>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>> 80637 München >>>> Germany >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best >> >> Carsten Schinzer >> >> Waisenhausstr. 53a >> 80637 München >> Germany >> |
Having it as a special purpose app, does not mean that you couldn't
use it in other apps. Keeping them separate really depends on the design and how they'd be utilized - both independently or as a part of ecommerce. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more ideas around how it might be used so that that decision can be made. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > On Nov 25, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Abdullah Shaikh wrote: > >> I think Tim is right in saying it should be an another special >> purpose app., > > Where to put it depends on how people want to use it. For example, > if you want to be able to build a site that has a mix or purchase > and auction items then having it developed as separate apps would be > rather inconvenient. > > On the other hand, if they were developed as a single application > and items showed based on configuration then it would still be easy > to have sites that do only purchase or auction items. > > -David > > >> but when I read that "just the product using a different pricing >> type called >> e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID", I was confused ..and didn't thought on it >> much as I >> was busy with some other issues. >> >> But what I feel is it will be better if we can have another >> component for >> auction, as the it can get quite complicated >> >> The reasons why I fee this is : >> >> 1) Recenlty there was a mail from someone regarding the entities >> created it >> database, I mean if someone is not using Auction, than too there >> will be >> entities related to Auction, I guess we can avoid this by having >> this as a >> separate component, if not required the user can just not load the >> component >> >> 2) This will keep the Auction this separate, I guess this would avoid >> unnecessary complexity in ecommerce >> >> 3) I don't know if the effort has started, but there was a >> discussion on >> making the components independent & using maven script. >> >> Can't think of any more points :) >> >> As you will be developing the Auction thing, I guess, from scratch, >> it will >> be better if we keep these things in mind. >> >> Above all are my thoughts, maybe I am missing something or have not >> paid >> much attention to details. >> >> Let me know your thoughts ... I guess these points applies to all new >> components that we will be making in future. >> >> Thanks, >> Abdullah >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email] >>> wrote: >> >>> Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a >>> full >>> app. >>> >>> It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. >>> catalogue of >>> products, just the product using a different pricing type called >>> e.g. >>> "AUCTION" or "BID". >>> Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good >>> insight yet >>> into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an >>> extension >>> to that. >>> >>> More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will >>> require? E-Bay-style? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Carsten >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> >>> >>>> Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - >>> probably >>>> another special purpose app, eh? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ruppert >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: >>>> >>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same >>>>> inquiry to the >>>>> list on Friday 20th? >>>>> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever >>>>> left my >>>>> system here? >>>>> >>>>> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding >>>>> efforts if >>>>> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a >>>>> time-bound deadline for bids. >>>>> >>>>> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" >>> configuration, >>>>> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also >>>>> lower ones >>>>> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). >>>>> >>>>> Thanks & regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Carsten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >>> something >>>>>> ready out of the box. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction >>>>>>> engine ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Abhijeet Pandey >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>>> >>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>>> 80637 München >>>>> Germany >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Carsten Schinzer >>> >>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>> 80637 München >>> Germany >>> > smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment |
Well, it may sound naive:
My first idea was to extend into applications/product/servicedef/service_pricepromo or add a service_auctionpricing there. Consequently, in product-definition one could use somthing like e.g. <ProductPrice productId="myProd" productPricePurposeId="AUCTION" productPriceTypeId="START_PRICE" ... /> etc. with different price types. Is that totally weird, too simple, the right path? Let me know your thoughts ... Regards Carsten 2009/11/25 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> > Having it as a special purpose app, does not mean that you couldn't use it > in other apps. Keeping them separate really depends on the design and how > they'd be utilized - both independently or as a part of ecommerce. > Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more ideas around how it might be > used so that that decision can be made. > > > Cheers, > Ruppert > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > >> On Nov 25, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Abdullah Shaikh wrote: >> >> I think Tim is right in saying it should be an another special purpose >>> app., >>> >> >> Where to put it depends on how people want to use it. For example, if you >> want to be able to build a site that has a mix or purchase and auction items >> then having it developed as separate apps would be rather inconvenient. >> >> On the other hand, if they were developed as a single application and >> items showed based on configuration then it would still be easy to have >> sites that do only purchase or auction items. >> >> -David >> >> >> but when I read that "just the product using a different pricing type >>> called >>> e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID", I was confused ..and didn't thought on it much >>> as I >>> was busy with some other issues. >>> >>> But what I feel is it will be better if we can have another component for >>> auction, as the it can get quite complicated >>> >>> The reasons why I fee this is : >>> >>> 1) Recenlty there was a mail from someone regarding the entities created >>> it >>> database, I mean if someone is not using Auction, than too there will be >>> entities related to Auction, I guess we can avoid this by having this as >>> a >>> separate component, if not required the user can just not load the >>> component >>> >>> 2) This will keep the Auction this separate, I guess this would avoid >>> unnecessary complexity in ecommerce >>> >>> 3) I don't know if the effort has started, but there was a discussion on >>> making the components independent & using maven script. >>> >>> Can't think of any more points :) >>> >>> As you will be developing the Auction thing, I guess, from scratch, it >>> will >>> be better if we keep these things in mind. >>> >>> Above all are my thoughts, maybe I am missing something or have not paid >>> much attention to details. >>> >>> Let me know your thoughts ... I guess these points applies to all new >>> components that we will be making in future. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Abdullah >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer < >>> [hidden email] >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full >>>> app. >>>> >>>> It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue of >>>> products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. >>>> "AUCTION" or "BID". >>>> Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight >>>> yet >>>> into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an >>>> extension >>>> to that. >>>> >>>> More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will >>>> require? E-Bay-style? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Carsten >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - >>>>> >>>> probably >>>> >>>>> another special purpose app, eh? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ruppert >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to >>>>>> the >>>>>> list on Friday 20th? >>>>>> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left >>>>>> my >>>>>> system here? >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts >>>>>> if >>>>>> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a >>>>>> time-bound deadline for bids. >>>>>> >>>>>> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" >>>>>> >>>>> configuration, >>>> >>>>> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower >>>>>> ones >>>>>> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks & regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Carsten >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >>>>>> >>>>> something >>>> >>>>> ready out of the box. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Abhijeet Pandey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>>>> >>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>>>> 80637 München >>>>>> Germany >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>> >>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>> 80637 München >>>> Germany >>>> >>>> >> > -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany |
Oh sorry, Tim, I like to think of a very flexibly configurable service which
can be used for the following auction scenarios: *Pricing* - fixed start price - fixed end price - fixed bid increase amount - bidding for highest amount (sales scenario) - bidding for lowest amount (bids scenario) *Termination * - fixed end time (ebay style) - maximum period of no higher/lower counter-bids - expiry for unreached target price *Payment* - pay total price - pay own bid increases (often used in charity scenarios in order to reach higher prices) For me, the auction engine itself is only part of the interesting challenges. There is also (business) intelligence around it like e.g. bid history, bid pricing analysis, ... I can of course imagine combined scenarios where an ecommerce shop would e.g. have an auction on exclusive prototypes for example of clothing while the regular sales will be on the regular catalogue stuff (acutally, I do have a customer where this is a use case that we want to realize soon). I am sure there is more, so I am curious what else we may be coming up with. Let me know, I am happy to track these requirements on a document moving forward so we can start to design this. Kind regards Carsten 2009/11/25 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]> > Well, it may sound naive: > > My first idea was to extend into > applications/product/servicedef/service_pricepromo or add a > service_auctionpricing there. > Consequently, in product-definition one could use somthing like e.g. > <ProductPrice productId="myProd" productPricePurposeId="AUCTION" > productPriceTypeId="START_PRICE" ... /> > etc. with different price types. > > Is that totally weird, too simple, the right path? > > Let me know your thoughts ... > > Regards > > > Carsten > > > 2009/11/25 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> > > Having it as a special purpose app, does not mean that you couldn't use it >> in other apps. Keeping them separate really depends on the design and how >> they'd be utilized - both independently or as a part of ecommerce. >> Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more ideas around how it might be >> used so that that decision can be made. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Ruppert >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> o:801.649.6594 >> f:801.649.6595 >> >> On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, David E Jones wrote: >> >> >>> On Nov 25, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Abdullah Shaikh wrote: >>> >>> I think Tim is right in saying it should be an another special purpose >>>> app., >>>> >>> >>> Where to put it depends on how people want to use it. For example, if you >>> want to be able to build a site that has a mix or purchase and auction items >>> then having it developed as separate apps would be rather inconvenient. >>> >>> On the other hand, if they were developed as a single application and >>> items showed based on configuration then it would still be easy to have >>> sites that do only purchase or auction items. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> but when I read that "just the product using a different pricing type >>>> called >>>> e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID", I was confused ..and didn't thought on it much >>>> as I >>>> was busy with some other issues. >>>> >>>> But what I feel is it will be better if we can have another component >>>> for >>>> auction, as the it can get quite complicated >>>> >>>> The reasons why I fee this is : >>>> >>>> 1) Recenlty there was a mail from someone regarding the entities created >>>> it >>>> database, I mean if someone is not using Auction, than too there will be >>>> entities related to Auction, I guess we can avoid this by having this as >>>> a >>>> separate component, if not required the user can just not load the >>>> component >>>> >>>> 2) This will keep the Auction this separate, I guess this would avoid >>>> unnecessary complexity in ecommerce >>>> >>>> 3) I don't know if the effort has started, but there was a discussion on >>>> making the components independent & using maven script. >>>> >>>> Can't think of any more points :) >>>> >>>> As you will be developing the Auction thing, I guess, from scratch, it >>>> will >>>> be better if we keep these things in mind. >>>> >>>> Above all are my thoughts, maybe I am missing something or have not paid >>>> much attention to details. >>>> >>>> Let me know your thoughts ... I guess these points applies to all new >>>> components that we will be making in future. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Abdullah >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer < >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full >>>>> app. >>>>> >>>>> It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue >>>>> of >>>>> products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. >>>>> "AUCTION" or "BID". >>>>> Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight >>>>> yet >>>>> into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an >>>>> extension >>>>> to that. >>>>> >>>>> More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will >>>>> require? E-Bay-style? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Carsten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - >>>>>> >>>>> probably >>>>> >>>>>> another special purpose app, eh? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>> >>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> list on Friday 20th? >>>>>>> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> system here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a >>>>>>> time-bound deadline for bids. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" >>>>>>> >>>>>> configuration, >>>>> >>>>>> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower >>>>>>> ones >>>>>>> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks & regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carsten >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >>>>>>> >>>>>> something >>>>> >>>>>> ready out of the box. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Abhijeet Pandey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>>>>> 80637 München >>>>>>> Germany >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>>> >>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>>> 80637 München >>>>> Germany >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany > -- Best Carsten Schinzer Waisenhausstr. 53a 80637 München Germany |
That's a pretty good list of parameters and options for general auction functionality. I agree there is no need to develop it for a specific style of auction when it is fairly easy to parameterize and support a variety. -David On Nov 25, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: > Oh sorry, Tim, I like to think of a very flexibly configurable service which > can be used for the following auction scenarios: > > *Pricing* > > - fixed start price > - fixed end price > - fixed bid increase amount > - bidding for highest amount (sales scenario) > - bidding for lowest amount (bids scenario) > > *Termination > * > > - fixed end time (ebay style) > - maximum period of no higher/lower counter-bids > - expiry for unreached target price > > *Payment* > > - pay total price > - pay own bid increases (often used in charity scenarios in order to > reach higher prices) > > > For me, the auction engine itself is only part of the interesting > challenges. There is also (business) intelligence around it like e.g. bid > history, bid pricing analysis, ... > > I can of course imagine combined scenarios where an ecommerce shop would > e.g. have an auction on exclusive prototypes for example of clothing while > the regular sales will be on the regular catalogue stuff (acutally, I do > have a customer where this is a use case that we want to realize soon). > > I am sure there is more, so I am curious what else we may be coming up with. > > Let me know, I am happy to track these requirements on a document moving > forward so we can start to design this. > > Kind regards > > > Carsten > > 2009/11/25 Carsten Schinzer <[hidden email]> > >> Well, it may sound naive: >> >> My first idea was to extend into >> applications/product/servicedef/service_pricepromo or add a >> service_auctionpricing there. >> Consequently, in product-definition one could use somthing like e.g. >> <ProductPrice productId="myProd" productPricePurposeId="AUCTION" >> productPriceTypeId="START_PRICE" ... /> >> etc. with different price types. >> >> Is that totally weird, too simple, the right path? >> >> Let me know your thoughts ... >> >> Regards >> >> >> Carsten >> >> >> 2009/11/25 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> >> >> Having it as a special purpose app, does not mean that you couldn't use it >>> in other apps. Keeping them separate really depends on the design and how >>> they'd be utilized - both independently or as a part of ecommerce. >>> Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more ideas around how it might be >>> used so that that decision can be made. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> -- >>> Tim Ruppert >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 25, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Abdullah Shaikh wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Tim is right in saying it should be an another special purpose >>>>> app., >>>>> >>>> >>>> Where to put it depends on how people want to use it. For example, if you >>>> want to be able to build a site that has a mix or purchase and auction items >>>> then having it developed as separate apps would be rather inconvenient. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, if they were developed as a single application and >>>> items showed based on configuration then it would still be easy to have >>>> sites that do only purchase or auction items. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> but when I read that "just the product using a different pricing type >>>>> called >>>>> e.g. "AUCTION" or "BID", I was confused ..and didn't thought on it much >>>>> as I >>>>> was busy with some other issues. >>>>> >>>>> But what I feel is it will be better if we can have another component >>>>> for >>>>> auction, as the it can get quite complicated >>>>> >>>>> The reasons why I fee this is : >>>>> >>>>> 1) Recenlty there was a mail from someone regarding the entities created >>>>> it >>>>> database, I mean if someone is not using Auction, than too there will be >>>>> entities related to Auction, I guess we can avoid this by having this as >>>>> a >>>>> separate component, if not required the user can just not load the >>>>> component >>>>> >>>>> 2) This will keep the Auction this separate, I guess this would avoid >>>>> unnecessary complexity in ecommerce >>>>> >>>>> 3) I don't know if the effort has started, but there was a discussion on >>>>> making the components independent & using maven script. >>>>> >>>>> Can't think of any more points :) >>>>> >>>>> As you will be developing the Auction thing, I guess, from scratch, it >>>>> will >>>>> be better if we keep these things in mind. >>>>> >>>>> Above all are my thoughts, maybe I am missing something or have not paid >>>>> much attention to details. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know your thoughts ... I guess these points applies to all new >>>>> components that we will be making in future. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Abdullah >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Carsten Schinzer < >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hm. Actually, It's rather a specific service I would think, than a full >>>>>> app. >>>>>> >>>>>> It could be integrated into the regular shop approach, i.e. catalogue >>>>>> of >>>>>> products, just the product using a different pricing type called e.g. >>>>>> "AUCTION" or "BID". >>>>>> Well this is just thinking aloud to be honest. I have no good insight >>>>>> yet >>>>>> into the pricing mechanisms offered, but I thought it's rather an >>>>>> extension >>>>>> to that. >>>>>> >>>>>> More thoughts welcome! Abhijeet, what is the algorithm that you will >>>>>> require? E-Bay-style? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Carsten >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/11/24 Tim Ruppert <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems like an interesting feature to add to the system for sure - >>>>>>> >>>>>> probably >>>>>> >>>>>>> another special purpose app, eh? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Carsten Schinzer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Funny that you ask. Did I not just send out the very same inquiry to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> list on Friday 20th? >>>>>>>> I wonder whether that mail has ever gotten to the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can anyone just quickly feed back to me whether that email ever left >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> system here? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW Abhijeet, I would be interested to participate in coding efforts >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> required. I would need a non-ebay-type auction pricing, i.e. not a >>>>>>>> time-bound deadline for bids. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moreover it would be good to also integrate a "directional" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> configuration, >>>>>> >>>>>>> i.e. not only allowing to bid higher prices but actually also lower >>>>>>>> ones >>>>>>>> (e.g. to get the best price for a certain offering). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks & regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carsten >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I know, apart from the eBay integration, there is not >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> something >>>>>> >>>>>>> ready out of the box. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Abhijeet Pandey wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can any body guide me that if ofbiz offers inbuilt auction engine ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Abhijeet Pandey >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>>>>>> 80637 München >>>>>>>> Germany >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Carsten Schinzer >>>>>> >>>>>> Waisenhausstr. 53a >>>>>> 80637 München >>>>>> Germany >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best >> >> Carsten Schinzer >> >> Waisenhausstr. 53a >> 80637 München >> Germany >> > > > > -- > > Best > > Carsten Schinzer > > Waisenhausstr. 53a > 80637 München > Germany |
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