AW: Re: [OFBiz] Dev - Question on i18n of Entity labels

[Tapio Reisinger]

Hi Michael,

this sounds great. I think a very good point to start. As I mentioned before I have not enough technical know-how so far to help with technical implementation regarding the new SVN version. But if I can help with testing or something else - Let me know.

Regards
Tapio

>Hi Tapio,
>
>as Jacqes mentioned, there are mechanisms to get for example
>product data translated, although it is very complicated to
>edit all those content, datasource and alternate locale references.
>
>I agree with you, that properties files, that could only be edited
>by a system administrator are not the best way to serve translations.
>
>Some time ago I adapted the entityLabel mechanism to serve
>entityLabels from the database:
>
>Everything is in alpha state by now, but works fine. With some changes
>in e.g in the widgets for the product you could handle a translation
>for enity field like "description" for the product.
>(And by the way any field of an entity like features, and so on)
>
>I added some sites to edit those DatabaseEntityLabels, e.g to show
>all translations of a concrete field of a table matching the given
>PK value and show all translations of a field for all entries of the
>table (there you can easyly see entries that where not translated).
>
>I would like to adapt those forms to the screen widgets mechanism
>and would like to share those to the community.
>The problem is, my changes are quite old (about 1/2 year), so i don't
>know if they could be easyly added in the current svn version.
>
>In about 2 weeks I should have a working diff for the svn.
>
>
>  Michael
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:10:01AM +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Tapio,
>>
>> There is already mechanisms for that type of data (products description or
>> content), look here :
>> <a
>href="http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=LocalizedProductDescriptio
>ns">http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=LocalizedProductDescriptions
></a>
>>
>> You may have a look at this also (where come the first link, see at the
>> bottom of the page)
>> <a
>href="http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=HowToLocalizeAnOFBizAppl">
>http://ofbizwiki.go-integral.com/Wiki.jsp?page=HowToLocalizeAnOFBizAppl</a>
>>
>> That does not mean that we must not think about a better world...
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tapio Reisinger"
>> To: "OFBiz Project Development Discussion"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Dev - Question on i18n of Entity labels
>>
>>
>> > Well, I'm a complete newbie in Java as well, but have worked a lot with
>> > other ERP-systems.
>> >
>> > For me it doesen't matter, whether it is a status, order type or
>> > whatever data which have different language descriptions. I think every
>> > localized data should be treated in the same way, especially when you
>> > have a multi-locale sites.
>> >
>> > As far as I understand it correct, it is possible to have locals for
>> > status or order types in OFBiz. But you have to maintain it in the
>> > property files. Ok, you can say this is ok for this core data, but when
>> > system will grow and it looks like that way, property files will grow as
>> > well. Quite often Customizers/End-Users like to have other descriptions
>> > like the provided. So, it would be much easier to change this as well.
>> > Sometimes you also would like to create new ones by the application,
>> > e.g. when Customizing is done by table entries and I think sooner or
>> > later it will come more an more. Also, it would be easier not to
>> > maintain property files.
>> >
>> > It is more valid for products. Imagine you have thousends of products in
>> > multi-site in different countries. I think it is absolutely necessary to
>> > mantain localized data due to the application and not by the developer.
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Tapio
>> >
>> >
>> > Jacques Le Roux schrieb:
>> > > Tapio,
>> > >
>> > > I'm sorry too because I guess I'm not clear enough. By core data I mean
>> seed
>> > > data (vs demo data). Entity like enumeration, statusItem, etc. Often
>> these
>> > > data populate drop-down boxes and they are needed at the core of OFBiz
>> to
>> > > make it work.
>> > >
>> > > To be clear, localised demo data may be managed like Peter explained
>> below
>> > > but seed data (or core data like I called them) can't be managed like
>> this
>> > > because of multi-locale site (although perhaps an enhancement mau be
>> > > possible ?)
>> > >
>> > > My concern is that if you change, add or suppress data in the files
>that
>> > > feed the data base intially nothing (no mechanim) will tell you to
>> change
>> > > the localized data in the related properties files. That's what I'm
>> looking
>> > > for, any idea ? Perhaps I miss something here as I'm almost a newbie in
>> Java
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > Jacques
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Tapio Reisinger"
>> > > To: "OFBiz Project Development Discussion"
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:26 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Dev - Question on i18n of Entity labels
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>Sorry, maybe I misunderstand you. What exactly do you mean with core
>> data?
>> > >>
>> > >>Regards
>> > >>Tapio
>> > >>
>> > >>Jacques Le Roux schrieb:
>> > >>
>> > >>>Thanks Tapio for you suggestion. I was thinking about core data, and I
>> > >
>> > > don't
>> > >
>> > >>>think that it's user job to do that, don't you ?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Although I agree that it will be less pain to delegate localization
>> > >
>> > > tasks to
>> > >
>> > >>>other people than developper. Only localization skill is involved with
>> a
>> > >>>solution like yours, no more is needed ! But before that we need to
>> > >
>> > > develop
>> > >
>> > >>>something, egg and hen problem...
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Let's see what others think about it, and if my intuition is worth
>> > >>>something.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Jacques
>> > >>>
>> > >>>----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>From: "Tapio Reisinger"
>> > >>>To:
>> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:51 PM
>> > >>>Subject: AW: Re: [OFBiz] Dev - Question on i18n of Entity labels
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Jacques,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>I agree with you. For me it would be much better to maintain
>> > >
>> > > descriptions
>> > >
>> > >>>by the user in the screen and not by the developer in the property
>> > >
>> > > files.
>> > >
>> > >>>>My suggestion is to create for each entity which needs localized
>data,
>> a
>> > >>>
>> > >>>text entity extension. Thist text entity consists the key from the
>> > >
>> > > entity,
>> > >
>> > >>>which needs the localized data, the language key (DE or FR) and the
>> > >>>description.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Regards
>> > >>>>Tapio
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>Thanks Peter for this explanation, I must admit that I was not
>clear.
>> I
>> > >>>
>> > >>>was
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>asking myself if it will not be easier to maintain localized data at
>> a
>> > >>>
>> > >>>root
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>level in the futur. I was not thinking about demo datas but core
>> datas.
>> > >
>> > > I
>> > >
>> > >>>>>have no solution to propose, it was just an inner question
>> (intuitive),
>> > >>>
>> > >>>with
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>a little argument for others thought... I feel that there is
>> something
>> > >>>
>> > >>>there
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>but I can't argue more for the moment, perhaps I'm wrong ;o)
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>Jacques
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>>>From: "Peter Goron"
>> > >>>>>To: "OFBiz Project Development Discussion"
>> > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:07 PM
>> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Dev - Question on i18n of Entity labels
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>>Hi David,
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>I will complete Jacques message about i18n of entity data in neogia
>> > >>>>>>project.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>In order to localized demo data, we have extended entity engine to
>> > >>>
>> > >>>allow
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>>loading of localized data files instead of original ones.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>Example :
>> > >>>>>>java -jar ofbiz.jar -install -locale=fr_FR
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>When Entity data loader will load DemoProduct.xml :
>> > >>>>>>First it will try to load DemoProduct_fr_FR.xml if present,
>> > >>>>>>else it will try to load DemoProduct_fr.xml if present,
>> > >>>>>>else it will fallback to DemoProduct.xml
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>This extension is not intended to replace existing solutions to
>> > >>>>>>localized entity data because this solution is not applicable to a
>> > >>>>>>multi-locale site.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>Peter
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>Jacques, cvs and branches are not related to i18n stuff. It's a
>> better
>> > >>>>>>way to track ofbiz evolution instead of keeping a lot of
>> synchronized
>> > >>>>>>patches.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>Le mardi 19 juillet 2005 à 07:09 -0500, David E. Jones a écrit :
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>Hmmm... You lost me. What is it that you are proposing?
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>-David
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>On Jul 19, 2005, at 1:33 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>Some days before, I asked this question on Jira. Without any
>> > >>>>>>>>comment, I ask
>> > >>>>>>>>it one more time.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>After have done this job (Jira OFBIZ-356), I asked myself if it
>> was
>> > >>>>>>>>the
>> > >>>>>>>>right way to manage i18n of Entity. I think we should manage i18n
>> > >>>>>>>>and l10n
>> > >>>>>>>>of this data at root. Entity datas in DB came initially from xml
>> > >>>>>>>>data files
>> > >>>>>>>>which are in data directory of each component. I think we shoud
>> > >>>>>>>>create a new
>> > >>>>>>>>(even replacement) mechanism (or even an architecture) that takes
>> > >>>>>>>>account of
>> > >>>>>>>>this fact.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>For example, people of Néréides (France) have already taken this
>> > >>>
>> > >>>into
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>>>>account and have created branchs in CVS for Neogia to manage it
>in
>> > >>>>>>>>their own
>> > >>>>>>>>global ant job which merges their components with OFBiz
>components
>> > >>>>>>>>(OFBiz
>> > >>>>>>>>components remain most part of Neogia actually).
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>What do you think about that ? Any idea, objection ?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>Jacques
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
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