About OFBiz logo being ownership of ASF

[Jacques Le Roux]

HI All,

This is an *important message* to remind you that if you make available to public a "mirror" of Apache OFBiz web site (http://ofbiz.apache.org/) or an instance of Apache OFBiz,  you should never use the original ofbiz.ico, ofbiz.gif and ofbiz_logo.jpg files (any version of these files, old or present). These are strict ASF proprietary and should never be used by site publicly available ouf of proper ASF infrastructure (the Contegix servers used by Apache OFBiz for that are parts of ASF infra).

PMC members, I put a message at bottom of site main page, please check and if any problems chime in.

Thanks for your attention

Jacques

[BJ Freeman]

So the default theme can not be used on mirror for the Demo's?

Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 4/18/2009 7:41 AM:
> HI All,
>
> This is an *important message* to remind you that if you make available to public a "mirror" of Apache OFBiz web site (http://ofbiz.apache.org/) or an instance of Apache OFBiz,  you should never use the original ofbiz.ico, ofbiz.gif and ofbiz_logo.jpg files (any version of these files, old or present). These are strict ASF proprietary and should never be used by site publicly available ouf of proper ASF infrastructure (the Contegix servers used by Apache OFBiz for that are parts of ASF infra).
>
> PMC members, I put a message at bottom of site main page, please check and if any problems chime in.
>
> Thanks for your attention
>
> Jacques

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Bj,

Please see my new more elaborated explanation on the dev ML.

To resume : out of ASF material infrastructure you can't use an OFBiz logo (old or new, we have already an history of 3 logos, 2
being ASF's fo sure), you must provide a disclaimer (as the one here http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Alternative+Demo+Servers)
and you may use a "Powered by OFBiz" logo if you want.

Thanks

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]>

> So the default theme can not be used on mirror for the Demo's?
>
> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 4/18/2009 7:41 AM:
>> HI All,
>>
>> This is an *important message* to remind you that if you make available to public a "mirror" of Apache OFBiz web site
>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/) or an instance of Apache OFBiz,  you should never use the original ofbiz.ico, ofbiz.gif and
>> ofbiz_logo.jpg files (any version of these files, old or present). These are strict ASF proprietary and should never be used by
>> site publicly available ouf of proper ASF infrastructure (the Contegix servers used by Apache OFBiz for that are parts of ASF
>> infra).
>>
>> PMC members, I put a message at bottom of site main page, please check and if any problems chime in.
>>
>> Thanks for your attention
>>
>> Jacques
>

[David E Jones-3]

Jacques,

While I appreciate your concern the proper place to discuss things of  
a sensitive nature like this is on the PMC mailing list, and NOT out  
in public like this... especially on both the dev and user mailing  
lists at the same time (making a conversation even more cumbersome),  
and also not putting something like you did on the home page. If you  
look around I'm sure you'll notice that no other project has anything  
like that around.

This may need further discussion (on the private mailing list only  
please), but IMO your interpretation is incorrect of what Ted Husted  
wrote and what the Apache license says.

As an example of why a more public forum is not the place to discuss  
this, note that Tim also misunderstood what you wrote and it exploded  
into an unfortunate, distracting, and off-putting discussion.

To those reading in: please don't worry about this for now. If you  
need more information on the topic, look at what is written in  
official places on the apache.org site.

-David


On Apr 18, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> HI All,
>
> This is an *important message* to remind you that if you make  
> available to public a "mirror" of Apache OFBiz web site (http://ofbiz.apache.org/ 
> ) or an instance of Apache OFBiz,  you should never use the original  
> ofbiz.ico, ofbiz.gif and ofbiz_logo.jpg files (any version of these  
> files, old or present). These are strict ASF proprietary and should  
> never be used by site publicly available ouf of proper ASF  
> infrastructure (the Contegix servers used by Apache OFBiz for that  
> are parts of ASF infra).
>
> PMC members, I put a message at bottom of site main page, please  
> check and if any problems chime in.
>
> Thanks for your attention
>
> Jacques

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi David,

From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
>
> Jacques,
>
> While I appreciate your concern the proper place to discuss things of  a sensitive nature like this is on the PMC mailing list,
> and NOT out  in public like this... especially on both the dev and user mailing  lists at the same time (making a conversation
> even more cumbersome),  and also not putting something like you did on the home page.

Note that my initial intention was to make this clear before people ingenuously do the same things with the new product's logo and
"Apache OFBiz" mark as they did before...

>If you  look around I'm sure you'll notice that no other project has anything  like that around.

Yes, that's right, maybe because it's not yet official ? Or because it's so obvious (marks belong to ASF, bla bla...) than nobody
knows it clearly, and use ASF's mark and product logos without it's clear permission (product being OFBiz here)  ;o)

> This may need further discussion (on the private mailing list only  please), but IMO your interpretation is incorrect of what Ted
> Husted  wrote and what the Apache license says.

I'm ready to read what differ in your interpretation of Ted's message which was not official but, as he (approximately) said, a
sumary of discussions so far about this subjet on PRC. He said also that there are no official documents about this subject yet...
I can't see what's wrong in my interpretation but I'm ready to discuss on it privately. An I agree that this needs to be clarified
before being exposed on Apache OFBIz user and dev MLs.

> As an example of why a more public forum is not the place to discuss  this, note that Tim also misunderstood what you wrote and it
> exploded  into an unfortunate, distracting, and off-putting discussion.

If I misunderstood and try to explain, it's logical that Tim misunderstand. Without discussions you can get things go further. IMO
we can't hide this any longer. This was not clear to any of us before Ted's message, and even after it seems not to be clear.
Also I can't see why we should not expose Ted's message to everybody, except, of course, because it's not a PRC's official message.

> To those reading in: please don't worry about this for now. If you  need more information on the topic, look at what is written in
> official places on the apache.org site.

I will add : and good luck.

But anyway, I agree with you. This far to be so important, just a little thing to be clarified. Making noise should help people to
be aware, this was also one of my intention. Seems that  succeed at least on this aspect ;o)

Jacques

> -David
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> HI All,
>>
>> This is an *important message* to remind you that if you make  available to public a "mirror" of Apache OFBiz web site
>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/ ) or an instance of Apache OFBiz,  you should never use the original  ofbiz.ico, ofbiz.gif and
>> ofbiz_logo.jpg files (any version of these  files, old or present). These are strict ASF proprietary and should  never be used by
>> site publicly available ouf of proper ASF  infrastructure (the Contegix servers used by Apache OFBiz for that  are parts of ASF
>> infra).
>>
>> PMC members, I put a message at bottom of site main page, please  check and if any problems chime in.
>>
>> Thanks for your attention
>>
>> Jacques
>