Blacklist and whitelist replacements

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi,

After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has been done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some connoted words like
blacklist and whitelist.

We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and allowlist as
suggested by
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104

There is also this article: https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/

We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would need a review.

What do you think?

Jacques

[Michael Brohl-3]

Hi Jacques,

if not used in a context with 'slave', I don't see any problem using the
word 'master'.

It's word with many different meanings in English and I do not see any
sense in changing all occurences per se.

Michael Brohl

ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de


Am 30.01.21 um 10:52 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:

> Hi,
>
> After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has been
> done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some connoted
> words like blacklist and whitelist.
>
> We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we
> replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and
> allowlist as suggested by
> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104 
>
>
> There is also this article:
> https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/
>
> We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be
> easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would
> need a review.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Jacques
>

[Benjamin Jugl]

Hi,

I would advise to review. Sure the word "master" has many meanings, but
we are not talking meaning, we are talking connotation here. And it is
not our place to say if we find it offensive, because we are not in any
position to do so.

As many US companies do this shift, I think we should also do so. They
should know best, because they are closer to the issue and have more
insight into connotation and the rest of the debate, than us.

After all it should only take a mindfully overlooked search-replace
routine, to complete this task. And it would be a shame, if we scared of
users, just because we were to reluctant to do so.

Benjamin Jugl

ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de <http://www.ecomify.de>


Am 30.01.21 um 20:36 schrieb Michael Brohl:

> Hi Jacques,
>
> if not used in a context with 'slave', I don't see any problem using
> the word 'master'.
>
> It's word with many different meanings in English and I do not see any
> sense in changing all occurences per se.
>
> Michael Brohl
>
> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de
>
>
> Am 30.01.21 um 10:52 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>> Hi,
>>
>> After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has been
>> done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some connoted
>> words like blacklist and whitelist.
>>
>> We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we
>> replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and
>> allowlist as suggested by
>> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104 
>>
>>
>> There is also this article:
>> https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/
>>
>> We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be
>> easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would
>> need a review.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Jacques
>>

[Michael Brohl-3]

Do people really get offended or scared away if they read the word
"master" in a harmless context like "master document" or "master
revision"? Hard to believe for me but you are right that I am not concerned.

Maybe we should better hear what concerned people have to say.

Technically, getting rid of the word will definetely not be a simple
search-replace activity if you look closely... The word has many
meanings and you need to change it with regard to the context it is used
with.

Furthermore, a lot of findings are in context with fop
(<fo:simple-page-master master-name="back-first" ... ), which has to be
changed before we can change anything there.

Thanks,

Michael


Am 01.02.21 um 08:59 schrieb Benjamin Jugl:

> Hi,
>
> I would advise to review. Sure the word "master" has many meanings,
> but we are not talking meaning, we are talking connotation here. And
> it is not our place to say if we find it offensive, because we are not
> in any position to do so.
>
> As many US companies do this shift, I think we should also do so. They
> should know best, because they are closer to the issue and have more
> insight into connotation and the rest of the debate, than us.
>
> After all it should only take a mindfully overlooked search-replace
> routine, to complete this task. And it would be a shame, if we scared
> of users, just because we were to reluctant to do so.
>
> Benjamin Jugl
>
> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de <http://www.ecomify.de>
>
>
> Am 30.01.21 um 20:36 schrieb Michael Brohl:
>> Hi Jacques,
>>
>> if not used in a context with 'slave', I don't see any problem using
>> the word 'master'.
>>
>> It's word with many different meanings in English and I do not see
>> any sense in changing all occurences per se.
>>
>> Michael Brohl
>>
>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de
>>
>>
>> Am 30.01.21 um 10:52 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has
>>> been done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some
>>> connoted words like blacklist and whitelist.
>>>
>>> We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we
>>> replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and
>>> allowlist as suggested by
>>> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104 
>>>
>>>
>>> There is also this article:
>>> https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/
>>>
>>> We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be
>>> easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would
>>> need a review.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Michael, Benjamin,

I'll already handle the easy cases and let "master" for now. I'll maybe do a cursory review to see if there are no problematic contexts. If course any
help is welcome...

TIA

Jacques

Le 01/02/2021 à 14:15, Michael Brohl a écrit :

> Do people really get offended or scared away if they read the word "master" in a harmless context like "master document" or "master revision"? Hard
> to believe for me but you are right that I am not concerned.
>
> Maybe we should better hear what concerned people have to say.
>
> Technically, getting rid of the word will definetely not be a simple search-replace activity if you look closely... The word has many meanings and
> you need to change it with regard to the context it is used with.
>
> Furthermore, a lot of findings are in context with fop (<fo:simple-page-master master-name="back-first" ... ), which has to be changed before we can
> change anything there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Am 01.02.21 um 08:59 schrieb Benjamin Jugl:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would advise to review. Sure the word "master" has many meanings, but we are not talking meaning, we are talking connotation here. And it is not
>> our place to say if we find it offensive, because we are not in any position to do so.
>>
>> As many US companies do this shift, I think we should also do so. They should know best, because they are closer to the issue and have more insight
>> into connotation and the rest of the debate, than us.
>>
>> After all it should only take a mindfully overlooked search-replace routine, to complete this task. And it would be a shame, if we scared of users,
>> just because we were to reluctant to do so.
>>
>> Benjamin Jugl
>>
>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de <http://www.ecomify.de>
>>
>>
>> Am 30.01.21 um 20:36 schrieb Michael Brohl:
>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>
>>> if not used in a context with 'slave', I don't see any problem using the word 'master'.
>>>
>>> It's word with many different meanings in English and I do not see any sense in changing all occurences per se.
>>>
>>> Michael Brohl
>>>
>>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 30.01.21 um 10:52 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has been done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some connoted words
>>>> like blacklist and whitelist.
>>>>
>>>> We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and allowlist as
>>>> suggested by
>>>> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104
>>>>
>>>> There is also this article: https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/
>>>>
>>>> We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would need a review.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi,

With OFBIZ-12167 I have done the easy cases.

I had a look at master and, even if it's not related to slave in contexts, I think that main could be used instead in most places. This said I'm not
opinionated on that. Mostly because it's a lot of boring work I must confess ;)

Jacques

Le 03/02/2021 à 13:18, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

> Thanks Michael, Benjamin,
>
> I'll already handle the easy cases and let "master" for now. I'll maybe do a cursory review to see if there are no problematic contexts. If course
> any help is welcome...
>
> TIA
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 01/02/2021 à 14:15, Michael Brohl a écrit :
>> Do people really get offended or scared away if they read the word "master" in a harmless context like "master document" or "master revision"? Hard
>> to believe for me but you are right that I am not concerned.
>>
>> Maybe we should better hear what concerned people have to say.
>>
>> Technically, getting rid of the word will definetely not be a simple search-replace activity if you look closely... The word has many meanings and
>> you need to change it with regard to the context it is used with.
>>
>> Furthermore, a lot of findings are in context with fop (<fo:simple-page-master master-name="back-first" ... ), which has to be changed before we
>> can change anything there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Am 01.02.21 um 08:59 schrieb Benjamin Jugl:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would advise to review. Sure the word "master" has many meanings, but we are not talking meaning, we are talking connotation here. And it is not
>>> our place to say if we find it offensive, because we are not in any position to do so.
>>>
>>> As many US companies do this shift, I think we should also do so. They should know best, because they are closer to the issue and have more
>>> insight into connotation and the rest of the debate, than us.
>>>
>>> After all it should only take a mindfully overlooked search-replace routine, to complete this task. And it would be a shame, if we scared of
>>> users, just because we were to reluctant to do so.
>>>
>>> Benjamin Jugl
>>>
>>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de <http://www.ecomify.de>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 30.01.21 um 20:36 schrieb Michael Brohl:
>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>
>>>> if not used in a context with 'slave', I don't see any problem using the word 'master'.
>>>>
>>>> It's word with many different meanings in English and I do not see any sense in changing all occurences per se.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Brohl
>>>>
>>>> ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 30.01.21 um 10:52 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has been done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some connoted words
>>>>> like blacklist and whitelist.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and allowlist as
>>>>> suggested by
>>>>> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also this article: https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/
>>>>>
>>>>> We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would need a
>>>>> review.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>

[Nicolas Malin-2]

Hi,

It's nice works Jacques to replace the blacklist and whitelist.

For master and slave, regard to french history, I have clearly a problem
with that. For explanation, the french society grew by the slave exploit
called "La traite des noires" during the 16th, with men like Colbert
that legalize and encourage this slaughter. ... No comment ...

It's a shame for me that hurt my heart each time I remember the origin
of this for black people on usa, and I clearly understand that this word
can be hurt with a passive "insinuation" today. I will check the
different usage of master in our code.

After check after filtering all js lib, fo.ftl element as spotted
Michael, exclude "master card", we have few occurrences that we can
change (like master list).

I can work on it.

Nicolas

On 30/01/2021 10:52, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After a discussion between ASF members, I saw that an effort has been
> done by Infra, and I guess in some TLPs, to replace some connoted
> words like blacklist and whitelist.
>
> We have not much occurrences of these words, so I suggest that we
> replace blacklist and whitelist list respectively by denylist and
> allowlist as suggested by
> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51088/alternative-terms-to-blacklist-and-whitelist#answer-51104
>
>
> There is also this article:
> https://developer-tech.com/news/2020/jun/15/github-replace-slavery-terms-master-whitelist/
>
> We have only 1 occurrence of slave in our own code, that would be
> easy. For master it's more annoying 1771 occurrences, so that would
> need a review.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Jacques
>