Default theme ?

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi,

I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme.

Do you use it?
Do you change for another theme ?
Which one fo you prefer?
Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?

Thanks

Jacques

[Chris Snow-3]

Hi Jacques,

I find bizness time theme to be a bit too vertically spread out and the
font is generally too big, so I always switch back to Flat Grey as it is
more condensed.

I find this helps a bit with Bizness time:

From

   th, td {
   color:#555555;
   padding:0.25em 0.5em;
   }

To

   th, td {
   color:#555555;
   padding:0 0.2em;
   }

Also, zooming out the browser helps too.

Cheers,

Chris

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
> default theme.
>
> Do you use it?
> Do you change for another theme ?
> Which one fo you prefer?
> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Jacques:
Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the
graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up
too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to
find navigation links etc.

Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product
listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a
new theme or some other change.

Regards,
Ruth
----------------------------------------------------
Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
[hidden email]
Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com


Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
> default theme.
>
> Do you use it?
> Do you change for another theme ?
> Which one fo you prefer?
> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
>

[Chris Snow-3]

Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.

Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Jacques:
> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While
> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they
> take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is
> difficult to find navigation links etc.
>
> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product
> listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a
> new theme or some other change.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
> [hidden email]
> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
> http://www.myofbiz.com
>
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>> default theme.
>>
>> Do you use it?
>> Do you change for another theme ?
>> Which one fo you prefer?
>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.
>
 Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> Hi Jacques:
>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While
>> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they
>> take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is
>> difficult to find navigation links etc.

Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time
Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.

Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?

>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product
>> listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a
>> new theme or some other change.

Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme.
Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too...

Thanks

Jacques

>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>> [hidden email]
>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>> default theme.
>>>
>>> Do you use it?
>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Chris Snow-3]

I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much...

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
>> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.
>>
> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>> Hi Jacques:
>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While
>>> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they
>>> take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is
>>> difficult to find navigation links etc.
>
> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time
> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push
> myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.
>
> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?
>
>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one
>>> product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a
>>> result of a new theme or some other change.
>
> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's
> not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community
> decision regarding this point too...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>>> default theme.
>>>>
>>>> Do you use it?
>>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Chris:
Not recently. I will give it a try later.
Regards,
Ruth

Chris Snow wrote:

> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.
>
> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> Hi Jacques:
>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While
>> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they
>> take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is
>> difficult to find navigation links etc.
>>
>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product
>> listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a
>> new theme or some other change.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>> [hidden email]
>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>> default theme.
>>>
>>> Do you use it?
>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Good, thank you Chris,

Other persons ?

Jacques

From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>

>I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much...
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
>>> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.
>>>
>> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While
>>>> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they
>>>> take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is
>>>> difficult to find navigation links etc.
>>
>> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time
>> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push
>> myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.
>>
>> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?
>>
>>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one
>>>> product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a
>>>> result of a new theme or some other change.
>>
>> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's
>> not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community
>> decision regarding this point too...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>>>> default theme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Erwan de FERRIERES-3]

if everyone is zooming out the bizness theme, maybe we should thinking
about reducing the font/etc... sizes.
Keeping the bizness time provide a more modern interface than the flat
grey, and may be more attractive to new users.
But I'm also part of the ones who switch to bluelight or flatgrey...

Le 12/10/2009 17:59, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
../..
>
>

--
Erwan

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Jacques:
I just looked at the visual theme graphic/URL on trunk release 823826 so
that I could refresh my understanding of the various themes: [
https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/LookupVisualThemes]

All my comments are based on this release using Firefox on a MAC:

1) This url [https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/LookupVisualThemes]
does not layout correctly. While the graphics show up just fine, the
columns aren't working correctly using the default Bizness theme. So, I
will report this as an Jira issue later today.

2) Changing the font size helps, however there is a school of thought in
the online content world that suggests that the most important content
on a web page should be "above the fold", meaning that the user should
not be required to scroll down the page to find important information.
Lots of extra space between navigation links and form submit buttons is
more of a distraction then a help in many cases. Another problem with
this theme and zooming (changing the font size) with the browser is that
in some cases, content overwrites the table boundary visual borders.
Again, forcing the user to scroll to the right or left (assuming they
know to do that) while trying to locate important information.

3) A big problem for me with this theme is that the navigation to
webtools applications are hidden. The user is required to pull down the
"Applications" link and then, close it, which, unless someone already
knows what they were doing, is not an obvious action. A better approach,
IMHO to this is to use hovering to expose the hidden links.

These do not seem to be issues with the "Flat Grey" and original/4.x
theme/layout.

Regards,
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Good, thank you Chris,
>
> Other persons ?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>> I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it
>> much...
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
>>>> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.
>>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme.
>>>>> While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other
>>>>> themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At
>>>>> times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc.
>>>
>>> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness
>>> Time
>>> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to
>>> push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.
>>>
>>> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?
>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one
>>>>> product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a
>>>>> result of a new theme or some other change.
>>>
>>> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No,
>>> it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community
>>> decision regarding this point too...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>>>>> default theme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>>>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Erwan,

I'd't not say that everyone is zooming out, for the moment very few persons seems concerned...
So maybe we should better ask if people use Bizness Time mostly zoomed out ?

Jacques

From: "Erwan de FERRIERES" <[hidden email]>

> if everyone is zooming out the bizness theme, maybe we should thinking about reducing the font/etc... sizes.
> Keeping the bizness time provide a more modern interface than the flat grey, and may be more attractive to new users.
> But I'm also part of the ones who switch to bluelight or flatgrey...
>
> Le 12/10/2009 17:59, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> ../..
>>
>>
>
> --
> Erwan
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Jacques:
Another issue with the default theme:
Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they
disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the "GZ-NEWS-1MO"
product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed
for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time to read the content of the
error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error
messages, but there doesn't seem to be much point in displaying error
messages within the Catalog Manager  if the user can't read them as they
are using the application.

Regards,
Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Good, thank you Chris,
>
> Other persons ?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>> I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it
>> much...
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
>>>> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable.
>>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme.
>>>>> While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other
>>>>> themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At
>>>>> times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc.
>>>
>>> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness
>>> Time
>>> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to
>>> push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.
>>>
>>> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?
>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one
>>>>> product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a
>>>>> result of a new theme or some other change.
>>>
>>> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No,
>>> it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community
>>> decision regarding this point too...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>>>>> default theme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>>>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Ruth,

Yes I already reported that please see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398

Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by
Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at the bottom right of  http://ofbiz.apache.org/
So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if everybody helps here and there. This was done in order
to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I) thankful for that!

This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you
may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check comments)

The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then.

Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain
reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme
because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it, most of the time the design is totally new and unique.

Thanks for you help

Jacques

From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>

> Hi Jacques:
> Another issue with the default theme:
> Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the
> "GZ-NEWS-1MO" product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time
> to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be
> much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager  if the user can't read them as they are using the application.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Good, thank you Chris,
>>
>> Other persons ?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>> I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much...
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more
>>>>> usable.
>>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other
>>>>>> themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time
>>>> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.
>>>>
>>>> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?
>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is
>>>>>> a result of a new theme or some other change.
>>>>
>>>> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a
>>>> community decision regarding this point too...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>>>>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Jacques,
I don't like the Bizness Time as a default. It uses to much real estate
(pixel-wise) for menu items. It is huge on a 1024x768 screen. Even with my
second monitor set to 1280x1024 it looks like it wastes space.

I always revert to flatgray as it gives me more data on the screen. It seems
to me that the layout is more logic to me. But even there some improvements
can be made. E.g. in SFA-accounts the search fields could be spread more
horizontally than it is now. And I guess that can be said for more layouts.



Regards,

Pierre


2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default
> theme.
>
> Do you use it?
> Do you change for another theme ?
> Which one fo you prefer?
> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
>

[jfoechsler]

Hi Jacques.

When I open Accounting Manager in Bizznesstime theme, and choose
Finacial Account, the table List Bank Account appears right of the tab
menubar instead of below. It only happens on the Main tab not on Find
Finacial Account.

If I go to AP, the Main page is very odd looking with headings in
wrong places compared to Bluelight.

This is with Firefox.

Regards Jens

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Jens,

Could you please open a Jira sub-task under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398
Simply report what you described below and if possible post an URL for each issue you saw
Also report the OS you used, FF is not rendered exactly the same way under Windows or Linux

Thanks

Jacques

From: "Jens Oechsler" <[hidden email]>

> Hi Jacques.
>
> When I open Accounting Manager in Bizznesstime theme, and choose
> Finacial Account, the table List Bank Account appears right of the tab
> menubar instead of below. It only happens on the Main tab not on Find
> Finacial Account.
>
> If I go to AP, the Main page is very odd looking with headings in
> wrong places compared to Bluelight.
>
> This is with Firefox.
>
> Regards Jens
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Hans,

So far,
* it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out.
* it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...)

I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398

In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out
Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as
default
theme.

What do you people think ?

Jacques
PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks!

From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>

> Sure the Business theme looks good but.....
>
> The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually
> everything is far too big....If i specify a field to be 2 characters, at
> least 5 fit in....
>
> So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better.
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme.
>>
>> Do you use it?
>> Do you change for another theme ?
>> Which one fo you prefer?
>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
> --
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>

[Tim Ruppert]

We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel.  I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different.

If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise.  FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning.  Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"?  It should be pretty easy with this setup.

Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz.  I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool ....

Cheers,

Ruppert

--

Tim Ruppert

HotWax Media

http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594

f:801.649.6595

On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Hi Hans,

So far,
* it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out.
* it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...)

I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398

In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out
Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default
theme.

What do you people think ?

Jacques
PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks!

From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>

Sure the Business theme looks good but.....

The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually

everything is far too big....If i specify a field to be 2 characters, at

least 5 fit in....

So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better.

Regards,

Hans

On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Hi,

I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme.

Do you use it?

Do you change for another theme ?

Which one fo you prefer?

Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?

Thanks

Jacques

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[Bruno Busco]

I normally use the Bluelight theme.

In this theme what I did try to achieve was a better use of the screen
space and, actually, if you compare to FlatGrey the information are
displayed higher in the screen so more information are shown with no
scrolling.

The Login name, default organizzation, Visual theme selection etc. are
displayed on a single line resulting in a shorter header.

The Application Tab is not shown and a drop down menu can be used to select it.
The selected application name, the selected tab and the screen name
are all shown on a single line (the one with the blue/white smoothed
corner bar)

I plan to add a class style to the H1 page titles so that the
bluelight theme can hide it having even more room available.

I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody
expressing any defect of it.

Any hint to improve it is well appreciated.
-Bruno


2009/10/13 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Hans,
>
> So far,
> * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out.
> * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those
> reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...)
>
> I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask
> at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398
>
> In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough
> for doing the same thing as a zoom out
> Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of
> everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default
> theme.
>
> What do you people think ?
>
> Jacques
> PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks!
>
> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Sure the Business theme looks good but.....
>>
>> The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually
>> everything is far too big....If i specify a field to be 2 characters, at
>> least 5 fit in....
>>
>> So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default
>>> theme.
>>>
>>> Do you use it?
>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>> --
>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>
>
>
>

[Bruno Busco]

Jacques,
to be correct I only helped Adrian Crum to test and further develop
the Visual Theme feature.
But the original idea and design was made by him.

-Bruno


2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Ruth,
>
> Yes I already reported that please see
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398
>
> Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by
> Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by
> Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at
> the bottom right of  http://ofbiz.apache.org/
> So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if
> everybody helps here and there. This was done in order
> to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I)
> thankful for that!
>
> This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in
> Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you
> may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check
> comments)
>
> The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by
> Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then.
>
> Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a
> theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain
> reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build
> their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme
> because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it,
> most of the time the design is totally new and unique.
>
> Thanks for you help
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Hi Jacques:
>> Another issue with the default theme:
>> Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they
>> disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the
>> "GZ-NEWS-1MO" product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which
>> was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time
>> to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files
>> and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be
>> much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager  if the
>> user can't read them as they are using the application.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>> Good, thank you Chris,
>>>
>>> Other persons ?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it
>>>> much...
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Chris Snow" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with
>>>>>> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more
>>>>>> usable.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>>>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While
>>>>>>> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other
>>>>>>> themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At
>>>>>>> times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness
>>>>> Time
>>>>> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push
>>>>> myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product
>>>>>>> listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is
>>>>>>> a result of a new theme or some other change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's
>>>>> not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a
>>>>> community decision regarding this point too...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast
>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website:
>>>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
>>>>>>>> default theme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>>>>> Do you change for another theme ?
>>>>>>>> Which one fo you prefer?
>>>>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>