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Scott Gray

Re: Downloading OFBiz

I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.

Regards
Scott

On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Having both will be good.
>
> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
> in future. This is
> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
> updates, esp if they're
> playing with trunk.
>
> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
> intend to do any
> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
> whole bunch for future
> versions.
>
> Jonathon
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Hi Jonathon,
> >>
> >> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> >>> Jacques is right.
> >>>
> >>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
> >>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
> >>> to install SVN, of course.
> >>>
> >> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
> >> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
> primary
> >> download file:
> >>
> >> 1) the file is bigger
> >> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
> >> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
> >> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
> >> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
> >> hardware) but we should consider this
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
> >>> version (generated with svn export).
> >>>
> >>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
> use
> >>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
> >>> many IT professionals.
> >>>
> >>> Jonathon
> >>>
> >>> Adam Heath wrote:
> >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>> Not everybody use Debian
> >>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
> their
> >>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
> have
> >>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
> >>>>
> >>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
> packaging
> >>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
> it
> >>>> work in debian.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

jonwimp

Re: Downloading OFBiz

Wouldn't that be better served by the demo OFBiz?

Jonathon

Scott Gray wrote:

> I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
> but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
> evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Having both will be good.
>>
>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
>> in future. This is
>> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
>> updates, esp if they're
>> playing with trunk.
>>
>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
>> intend to do any
>> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
>> whole bunch for future
>> versions.
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jonathon,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>>>> Jacques is right.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
>>>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
>>>>> to install SVN, of course.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
>>>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
>> primary
>>>> download file:
>>>>
>>>> 1) the file is bigger
>>>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
>>>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
>>>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
>>>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
>>>> hardware) but we should consider this
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
>>>>> version (generated with svn export).
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
>> use
>>>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
>>>>> many IT professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathon
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Heath wrote:
>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
>>>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
>> their
>>>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
>> have
>>>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
>> packaging
>>>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
>> it
>>>>>> work in debian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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>
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Jacques Le Roux

Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]

Administrator

In reply to this post by David E Jones

I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).

I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
added")

Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
than the original.
It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy) than
the original, but easier to read ?

WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?

Jacques

De : "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>

>
> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
> to reduce long term effort required...
>
> -David
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>
> > Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
> > out with
> > it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> >> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
> >>
> >> Here is the content of the original message:
> >>
> >> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> >> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> >> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
> >> download and
> >> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
> >> connection to
> >> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
> >> able
> >> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
> >> unpack
> >> it and run "ant run-install".
> >>
> >> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
> >> they
> >> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
> >> release 4.0
> >> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
> >> trunk is
> >> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
> >>
> >> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
> >> suggested by
> >> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> >> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> >> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
> >> the
> >> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Adrian Crum

Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]

LGTM (Looks good to me) ;-)

Thanks Jacques!

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> added")
>
> Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> than the original.
> It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy) than
> the original, but easier to read ?
>
> WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
>
>>I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
>>and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
>>to reduce long term effort required...
>>
>>-David
>>
>>
>>On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
>>>out with
>>>it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
>>>>enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>>>>
>>>>Here is the content of the original message:
>>>>
>>>>I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
>>>>compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
>>>>the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
>>>>download and
>>>>run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
>>>>connection to
>>>>the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
>>>>able
>>>>to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
>>>>unpack
>>>>it and run "ant run-install".
>>>>
>>>>Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
>>>>they
>>>>will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
>>>>release 4.0
>>>>will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
>>>>trunk is
>>>>the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>>>>
>>>>A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
>>>>suggested by
>>>>Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
>>>>publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
>>>>website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
>>>>the
>>>>month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>>>>
>>>>What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jacques Le Roux

Re: Downloading OFBiz

Administrator

In reply to this post by jonwimp

More possibilities, more opportunities... Still have to do the thing, though

Jacques

De : "Jonathon -- Improov" <[hidden email]>

> Wouldn't that be better served by the demo OFBiz?
>
> Jonathon
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
> > I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
> > but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
> > evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
> >
> > Regards
> > Scott
> >
> > On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Having both will be good.
> >>
> >> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
> >> in future. This is
> >> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
> >> updates, esp if they're
> >> playing with trunk.
> >>
> >> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
> >> intend to do any
> >> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
> >> whole bunch for future
> >> versions.
> >>
> >> Jonathon
> >>
> >> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
> >> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Jonathon,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> >>>>> Jacques is right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
> >>>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
> >>>>> to install SVN, of course.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
> >>>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
> >> primary
> >>>> download file:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) the file is bigger
> >>>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
> >>>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
> >>>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
> >>>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
> >>>> hardware) but we should consider this
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacopo
> >>>>
> >>>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
> >>>>> version (generated with svn export).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
> >> use
> >>>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
> >>>>> many IT professionals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jonathon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Adam Heath wrote:
> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
> >>>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
> >> their
> >>>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
> >> have
> >>>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
> >> packaging
> >>>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
> >> it
> >>>>>> work in debian.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM
>

BJ Freeman

Re: Downloading OFBiz

if only there were as many people to do the work that suggest the work
:)

Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/25/2007 5:46 PM:

> More possibilities, more opportunities... Still have to do the thing, though
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "Jonathon -- Improov" <[hidden email]>
>
>
>> Wouldn't that be better served by the demo OFBiz?
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>> I don't think the download is intended to be a replacement for a checkout
>>> but more a simple download for a complete newbie to do an initial
>>> evaluation, if they like what they see then they can figure out svn.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 22/10/2007, Jonathon -- Improov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Having both will be good.
>>>>
>>>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily upgrade/update
>>>> in future. This is
>>>> needed even by newbies who may need to conveniently pull in critical
>>>> updates, esp if they're
>>>> playing with trunk.
>>>>
>>>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
>>>> intend to do any
>>>> incremental updates in future. That means they'll have to re-download a
>>>> whole bunch for future
>>>> versions.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathon
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>>>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jonathon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>>>>>> Jacques is right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best way was already suggested by the creator of this thread. And
>>>>>>> that is to publish a tarball of a SVN workspace. Downloaders will need
>>>>>>> to install SVN, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure if the 'tarball' of a complete svn workspace (i.e. "svn
>>>>>> checkout" instead of "svn export") is good idea, at least as the
>>>> primary
>>>>>> download file:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) the file is bigger
>>>>>> 2) in the past, I had some problems in extracting big files (i.e. an
>>>>>> Opentaps tarball) containing svn folders: the process was really very
>>>>>> slow (the number of files to extract is huge when you include svn
>>>>>> folders); this was probably caused by a bad unzip software (or bad
>>>>>> hardware) but we should consider this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when we have time or bandwidth, we can also publish a non-SVN
>>>>>>> version (generated with svn export).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's nice (as a new OFBiz user) to be guided or prompted to
>>>> use
>>>>>>> SVN. Version control concepts are curiously sorely lacking even among
>>>>>>> many IT professionals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Heath wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not everybody use Debian
>>>>>>>> This is true; We have use for rpms, as a few of our clients host
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> own hardware/software, and they use rpm-based systems. However, we
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> no experience creating rpm packages, so haven't done this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The debian packaging itself could be used as a basis for other
>>>> packaging
>>>>>>>> systems. I've already committed all the patches I had to do to make
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> work in debian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM
>
>
>

Jacopo Cappellato

Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]

In reply to this post by Jacques Le Roux

Jacques,

thanks for your help!
About the layout; I don't know, but maybe a list based page it is easier
to quickly read:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs

rather than the paragraph based new one:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww

Of course, I'm not saying that the original is better, there are a lot
of layout and content improvements that could be done to it.

I'd like to get the feedback from others.

Jacopo

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>
> I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> added")
>
> Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> than the original.
> It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy) than
> the original, but easier to read ?
>
> WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
>
> Jacques
>
> De : "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
>> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
>> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
>> to reduce long term effort required...
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
>>> out with
>>> it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
>>>> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the content of the original message:
>>>>
>>>> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
>>>> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
>>>> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
>>>> download and
>>>> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
>>>> connection to
>>>> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
>>>> able
>>>> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
>>>> unpack
>>>> it and run "ant run-install".
>>>>
>>>> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
>>>> they
>>>> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
>>>> release 4.0
>>>> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
>>>> trunk is
>>>> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
>>>>
>>>> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
>>>> suggested by
>>>> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
>>>> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
>>>> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
>>>> the
>>>> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Jacques Le Roux

Re: Downloading OFBiz with minimal prerequisites WAS: [Re: Downloading OFBiz]

Administrator

Jacopo,

After a short night, I agree. I was in doubt yesterday, but it's clear this morning.
I will just refined the list based page (using 2 or more levels like I did for widgets)
We may wait a bit for other opinions, though...

Jacques

De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <[hidden email]>

> Jacques,
>
> thanks for your help!
> About the layout; I don't know, but maybe a list based page it is easier
> to quickly read:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs
>
> rather than the paragraph based new one:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww
>
> Of course, I'm not saying that the original is better, there are a lot
> of layout and content improvements that could be done to it.
>
> I'd like to get the feedback from others.
>
> Jacopo
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > I tried to edit the the "main new features of the month" (aka. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >
> > I beginned by adding a point about the new for widgets examples in the Example component ("Examples of widget usages have been
> > added")
> >
> > Then I decided to group by themes using head styles.
> > After an hour, I finally ended with http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww. Now I'm not sure that it's better (easier to read and maintain)
> > than the original.
> > It's surely easier to edit (less "*" everywhere) in a *real editor* (I use Scite for Wiki Markups, Confluence drives me creasy)

than

> > the original, but easier to read ?
> >
> > WDYTF (What Do You Think Folks) ?
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > De : "David E Jones" <[hidden email]>
> >> I think there is some ASF infra stuff for periodic automated builds,
> >> and if we do this we should definitely get something automated setup
> >> to reduce long term effort required...
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds good to me although I'm a bit short on time lately to help
> >>> out with
> >>> it, are there any Apache protocols we need to be aware of?
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> On 20/10/2007, Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>> It seems that the original thread has been hijacked by the Linux
> >>>> enthusiasts :-) so I'm restarting it now from here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the content of the original message:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we should provide an easy way to download (by ftp) a
> >>>> compressed archive to the ones that are just interested in evaluating
> >>>> the product. *Minimal* prerequisites should be necessary to
> >>>> download and
> >>>> run OFBiz in this way so that users with a low bandwidth
> >>>> connection to
> >>>> the Internet, and running on a box with Jdk 1.5 installed would be
> >>>> able
> >>>> to download (possibly in multiple chunks) a compressed archive,
> >>>> unpack
> >>>> it and run "ant run-install".
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, as soon as the version 4.0 will be officially released,
> >>>> they
> >>>> will have a file to download; however I don't think that the
> >>>> release 4.0
> >>>> will be the right version to consider for an evaluation... the
> >>>> trunk is
> >>>> the best option and we should encourage people to see it in action.
> >>>>
> >>>> A simple solution is this: create a weekly or, better (as
> >>>> suggested by
> >>>> Jacques), monthly svn snapshot (svn export), then compress it and
> >>>> publish it somewhere in a very visible area of the main page of the
> >>>> website; we could also provide a link to the "main new features of
> >>>> the
> >>>> month" (e.g. http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/-Qs).
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you think?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacopo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>

Ray Barlow

Re: Downloading OFBiz

In reply to this post by jonwimp

+1 for the simple tar/zip download principle as a monthly head build and
as David suggests it's needs a script of some sort to make it's creation
simple. Go with the KISS principle.

I'm not so sure on the SVN inclusion as I've had problems in the past
trying to transfer deployments across platforms i.e. copying a Windows
based SVN checkout onto a Linux based OS or vice versa and then trying
to use SVN commands like "svn up" invariably it would result in errors
about SVN version incompatibilities. That's even when both platforms are
running recent distros with updates.

I would see this as the base for the debian and rpms deployments i.e. if
brainfood or others were up for it they could take the monthly simple
tar/zip package and repackage for apt etc.

Ray

Jonathon -- Improov wrote:

> Having both will be good.
>
> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily
> upgrade/update in future. This is needed even by newbies who may need
> to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're playing with
> trunk.
>
> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
> intend to do any incremental updates in future. That means they'll
> have to re-download a whole bunch for future versions.
>
> Jonathon
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>
>> Jacques
>>

Jacopo Cappellato

Re: Downloading OFBiz

I agree with starting with a simple script to get a monthly source
tarball; then we can get more feedback and possibly improve the strategy.

What are the next steps?
After reviewing the Apache Infrastructure guidelines
(http://apache.org/dev/release.html), it seems that the right location
for svn snapshots for Apache projects is in people.apache.org/builds

Is there anyone here who can help to prepare a script to automate the
process (svn export|tar ...|mv ...); where should the script reside?

Jacopo

Ray Barlow wrote:

> +1 for the simple tar/zip download principle as a monthly head build and
> as David suggests it's needs a script of some sort to make it's creation
> simple. Go with the KISS principle.
>
> I'm not so sure on the SVN inclusion as I've had problems in the past
> trying to transfer deployments across platforms i.e. copying a Windows
> based SVN checkout onto a Linux based OS or vice versa and then trying
> to use SVN commands like "svn up" invariably it would result in errors
> about SVN version incompatibilities. That's even when both platforms are
> running recent distros with updates.
>
> I would see this as the base for the debian and rpms deployments i.e. if
> brainfood or others were up for it they could take the monthly simple
> tar/zip package and repackage for apt etc.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>> Having both will be good.
>>
>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily
>> upgrade/update in future. This is needed even by newbies who may need
>> to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're playing with
>> trunk.
>>
>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who do not
>> intend to do any incremental updates in future. That means they'll
>> have to re-download a whole bunch for future versions.
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good open
>>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>

David E Jones

Re: Downloading OFBiz

This could even be an ant target in the top level build.xml file.

-David

On Oct 26, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> I agree with starting with a simple script to get a monthly source
> tarball; then we can get more feedback and possibly improve the
> strategy.
>
> What are the next steps?
> After reviewing the Apache Infrastructure guidelines (http://
> apache.org/dev/release.html), it seems that the right location for
> svn snapshots for Apache projects is in people.apache.org/builds
>
> Is there anyone here who can help to prepare a script to automate
> the process (svn export|tar ...|mv ...); where should the script
> reside?
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Ray Barlow wrote:
>> +1 for the simple tar/zip download principle as a monthly head
>> build and
>> as David suggests it's needs a script of some sort to make it's
>> creation
>> simple. Go with the KISS principle.
>> I'm not so sure on the SVN inclusion as I've had problems in the past
>> trying to transfer deployments across platforms i.e. copying a
>> Windows
>> based SVN checkout onto a Linux based OS or vice versa and then
>> trying
>> to use SVN commands like "svn up" invariably it would result in
>> errors
>> about SVN version incompatibilities. That's even when both
>> platforms are
>> running recent distros with updates.
>> I would see this as the base for the debian and rpms deployments
>> i.e. if
>> brainfood or others were up for it they could take the monthly simple
>> tar/zip package and repackage for apt etc.
>> Ray
>> Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
>>> Having both will be good.
>>>
>>> The SVN workspace download is for those who want to easily
>>> upgrade/update in future. This is needed even by newbies who may
>>> need
>>> to conveniently pull in critical updates, esp if they're playing
>>> with
>>> trunk.
>>>
>>> The non-SVN download (generated by svn export) is for those who
>>> do not
>>> intend to do any incremental updates in future. That means they'll
>>> have to re-download a whole bunch for future versions.
>>>
>>> Jonathon
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> Why not both ? They have different goals. We may recommend good
>>>> open
>>>> source free tools. On Windows I would recommend 7-zip !
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>
>

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Jacques Le Roux

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Jacopo,

I believe my last version http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/Kww (KISS enhanced) is better, WDYTF ?

Jacques

PS : this is really interesting to not overlook new features added. I invite everybody (specifically contributors and commiters) to
look at it and add comments if needed (if you see something you think important forgotten or put in the last features group : Misc)

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