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Sharan-F

Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Hi All

Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is willing to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?

The diagram that needs to be updated is called OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true

It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies

We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.

Thanks
Sharan

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML
or Freeplane?
These run on all platforms and are all free.

Ron

On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is willing
> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>
> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>
> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>
> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

--
Ron Wheeler
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Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Jacopo Cappellato-4

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML or Freeplane?
> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>

that would be great! are you volunteering? or are there volunteers?

Jacopo

> Ron
>
> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is willing
>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>
>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>
>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>
>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: [hidden email]
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Sharan-F

These drawings are easy to make with Graphviz which is open source
dependency image

It is also available as a javascript version that can be used to generate graphs dynamically in your browswer by putting the description in an html file;
The graph is created by downloading graphviz from http://www.graphviz.org/Home.php and running the command
dot -Tpng componentDependencies.dot -o componentDependencies.png
The dot file is just a text file with the dot file as follows:

digraph dependencies{
node [shape=underline fontname="helvetica-bold" ];

subgraph cluster01 {
label="extended";
color=white;
bi[color=orange fontcolor=orange];
specialpurpose [color=green fontcolor=green];
}
subgraph cluster02{
label="base applications"
color=white;
node [color=orange fontcolor=orange];
shipment;
humanres;
party;
node [color=magenta fontcolor=magenta];
marketing;
content;
node [color=blue fontcolor=blue];
order;
workeffort;
accounting;
node [color=green fontcolor=green];
manufacturing;
product;
}
subgraph cluster03{
label="framework";
color=white;
node [color=blue fontcolor=blue];
"entity(ext)";
service;
node [color=magenta fontcolor=magenta];
webapp;
security;
node [color=green fontcolor=green];
common;
}
shipment->order;
shipment->workeffort;
shipment->product;
shipment->party;
marketing->order;
marketing->product;
order->workeffort;
order->accounting;
order->party;
order->content;
order->product;
humanres->accounting;
humanres->party;
manufacturing->product;
workeffort->accounting;
workeffort->party;
workeffort->content;
workeffort->product;
workeffort->manufacturing;
accounting->party;
accounting->product;
product->party;
product->content;
"entity(ext)"->common;
service->common;
service->security;
webapp->common;
webapp->security;
}
On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:

Hi All

Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is willing
to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?

The diagram that needs to be updated is called
OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>  

It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies

We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.

Thanks
Sharan




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email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Jacopo Cappellato-4

I did the first one with Graphviz - It may need some more tweaking to
get it updated and in the shape that the smart people want.
I will be happy to help anyone who wants to update it or try to make it
clearer.

I have ArgoUML and I can see that there are a lot of UML drawings
already in existence. Not sure how they were done or if they can be
converted into ArgoUML.
I use Freeplane to do mindmaps if we need any of those.
Open Office has added a lot of nice images to their graphics library and
I would be happy to help anyone who is having trouble getting a drawing
to work.

Short answer - Yes.
We should make an effort to track the sources for any image that makes
it into the docs.

Ron

On 15/12/2014 9:37 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Ron Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML or Freeplane?
>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>
> that would be great! are you volunteering? or are there volunteers?
>
> Jacopo
>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is willing
>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>
>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>
>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>
>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
>> email: [hidden email]
>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>
>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Todd Thorner

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Ron Wheeler

What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something else
like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
underneath) you might be able to edit the text.

You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might suffer.

Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
(Windows/Mac/Linux).

On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML
> or Freeplane?
> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>
> Ron
>
> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>> willing
>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>
>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>
>>
>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>
>>
>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>
>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
their other free utilities will output an SVG.
Graphviz can outout SVG.
I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.

Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
clean graph without having to manually place nodes.

I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
hierarchical data.
Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
both ways of generating charts in HTML format.

Ron

On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:

> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something else
> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>
> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might suffer.
>
> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>
>
>
> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML
>> or Freeplane?
>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>> willing
>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>
>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>
>>>
>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>
>>>
>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Todd Thorner

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.

On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
> Graphviz can outout SVG.
> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>
> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>
> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
> hierarchical data.
> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>
> Ron
>
> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something else
>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>
>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>> suffer.
>>
>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
>> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML
>>> or Freeplane?
>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>>> willing
>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>
>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>
>
>

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.

For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a clean
hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was useful
to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
well as reporting relationships between people.

Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.

Ron

>
>
>
> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>
>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>
>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>> hierarchical data.
>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something else
>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>
>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>> suffer.
>>>
>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
>>> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or ArgoUML
>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>>>> willing
>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>
>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Todd Thorner

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
the project's future of design & spec-chasing?

On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>
> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a clean
> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was useful
> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
> well as reporting relationships between people.
>
> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>
> Ron
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>
>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>
>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>> hierarchical data.
>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something
>>>> else
>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>
>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>> suffer.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
>>>> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
>>>
>
>

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Others may have more definite information about what has been used in
the past.

I have seen UML(use case) drawings in the wiki that use the same (or
very similar) graphics that ArgoUML uses.
ArgoUML is open source
We are only scratching the surface in our internal use of it so I am not
an expert modeller but it looks like something that an experienced UML
modeler should be able to use to get most of the diagrams required to
support development.

It would be nice to have a product that deals with the issue of version
control and SCM for models in a way that allowed many people to update
the models.
It is probably possible to partition the model into enough chunks that
people can keep the models up to date without tripping over each other.

There are a lot of database models already part of the documentation but
I am not sure if they are up to date.
I also do not know what tool was used to make them
We use MySQL Workbench which is free and produces diagrams that are
pretty aesthetically pleasing.

Ron

On 15/12/2014 1:56 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:

> I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
> the project's future of design & spec-chasing?
>
>
>
> On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
>> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a clean
>> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was useful
>> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
>> well as reporting relationships between people.
>>
>> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
>> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
>>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
>>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>>
>>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
>>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>>
>>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
>>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>>> hierarchical data.
>>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
>>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
>>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
>>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something
>>>>> else
>>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
>>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
>>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
>>>>> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
>>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Jacques Le Roux

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Administrator

The graphs at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Data+Model+Diagrams were done using OmniGraffle, that's all what I know. Are you
referring to other places (IIRW other places are older...)

Jacques

Le 15/12/2014 20:37, Ron Wheeler a écrit :

> Others may have more definite information about what has been used in the past.
>
> I have seen UML(use case) drawings in the wiki that use the same (or very similar) graphics that ArgoUML uses.
> ArgoUML is open source
> We are only scratching the surface in our internal use of it so I am not an expert modeller but it looks like something that an experienced UML
> modeler should be able to use to get most of the diagrams required to support development.
>
> It would be nice to have a product that deals with the issue of version control and SCM for models in a way that allowed many people to update the
> models.
> It is probably possible to partition the model into enough chunks that people can keep the models up to date without tripping over each other.
>
> There are a lot of database models already part of the documentation but I am not sure if they are up to date.
> I also do not know what tool was used to make them
> We use MySQL Workbench which is free and produces diagrams that are pretty aesthetically pleasing.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> On 15/12/2014 1:56 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>> I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
>> the project's future of design & spec-chasing?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>>> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
>>> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a clean
>>> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was useful
>>> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
>>> well as reporting relationships between people.
>>>
>>> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
>>> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
>>>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
>>>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
>>>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
>>>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>>>> hierarchical data.
>>>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
>>>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
>>>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
>>>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
>>>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
>>>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
>>>>>> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
>>>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>

pierre.gaudin

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Hi all,

There is a tool : UFO (UML for OFBIz) that have been developed to make
UML diagrams from OFBiz XML entity definition :
http://ufo.labs.libre-entreprise.org/UFO/index.html
http://www.neogia.org/wiki/index.php/U.F.O.

We use it for a long time and it works well. It's on GPL licence but may
be it can be set to Apache licence.

Pierre
On 16/12/2014 05:38, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> The graphs at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Data+Model+Diagrams were
> done using OmniGraffle, that's all what I know. Are you referring to
> other places (IIRW other places are older...)
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 15/12/2014 20:37, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>> Others may have more definite information about what has been used in
>> the past.
>>
>> I have seen UML(use case) drawings in the wiki that use the same (or
>> very similar) graphics that ArgoUML uses.
>> ArgoUML is open source
>> We are only scratching the surface in our internal use of it so I am
>> not an expert modeller but it looks like something that an
>> experienced UML modeler should be able to use to get most of the
>> diagrams required to support development.
>>
>> It would be nice to have a product that deals with the issue of
>> version control and SCM for models in a way that allowed many people
>> to update the models.
>> It is probably possible to partition the model into enough chunks
>> that people can keep the models up to date without tripping over each
>> other.
>>
>> There are a lot of database models already part of the documentation
>> but I am not sure if they are up to date.
>> I also do not know what tool was used to make them
>> We use MySQL Workbench which is free and produces diagrams that are
>> pretty aesthetically pleasing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/12/2014 1:56 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>> I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
>>> the project's future of design & spec-chasing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>>>> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
>>>> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a
>>>> clean
>>>> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was
>>>> useful
>>>> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
>>>> well as reporting relationships between people.
>>>>
>>>> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
>>>> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that
>>>>>> I made,
>>>>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if
>>>>>> any of
>>>>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>>>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>>>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually
>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of
>>>>>> graphviz in
>>>>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>>>>> hierarchical data.
>>>>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as
>>>>>> GetOrgChart's
>>>>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I
>>>>>> support
>>>>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac
>>>>>>> lock-ins, but
>>>>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is
>>>>>>> .xml
>>>>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking
>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>> format for the project's graphical source files
>>>>>>> (production-ready files
>>>>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac
>>>>>>>>> who is
>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

--
Pierre Gaudin
Consultant Fonctionnel Apache-OFBiz, ERP en logiciel Libre

Société Néréide
3b Les isles
37270 Veretz
http://www.nereide.fr
Tel : 09 74 53 36 12
Mob : 06 08 40 25 70

Membre d'OFBiz-France
http://www.ofbiz-fr.org

Gil Portenseigne

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Hello,

Care of http://www.neogia.org/wiki/index.php/U.F.O. link, the dot at the
end is needed...

As a testimony of this tool usage, its a great tool too quickly make UML
diagrams from an OFBiz datamodel instance.

When launching the app, you just have to specify the local OFBiz
installation folder and UFO will propose all the entities ordered in
their packages, available to drag and drop and make a new diagram.
Relation are displayed automatically between entities.

Diagrams are saved in a ufo format for later edition and can be exported
to png or svg.

Gil

Le 16/12/2014 09:24, pierre.gaudin a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> There is a tool : UFO (UML for OFBIz) that have been developed to make
> UML diagrams from OFBiz XML entity definition :
> http://ufo.labs.libre-entreprise.org/UFO/index.html
> http://www.neogia.org/wiki/index.php/U.F.O.
>
> We use it for a long time and it works well. It's on GPL licence but
> may be it can be set to Apache licence.
>
> Pierre
> On 16/12/2014 05:38, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> The graphs at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Data+Model+Diagrams
>> were done using OmniGraffle, that's all what I know. Are you
>> referring to other places (IIRW other places are older...)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 15/12/2014 20:37, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>> Others may have more definite information about what has been used
>>> in the past.
>>>
>>> I have seen UML(use case) drawings in the wiki that use the same (or
>>> very similar) graphics that ArgoUML uses.
>>> ArgoUML is open source
>>> We are only scratching the surface in our internal use of it so I am
>>> not an expert modeller but it looks like something that an
>>> experienced UML modeler should be able to use to get most of the
>>> diagrams required to support development.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have a product that deals with the issue of
>>> version control and SCM for models in a way that allowed many people
>>> to update the models.
>>> It is probably possible to partition the model into enough chunks
>>> that people can keep the models up to date without tripping over
>>> each other.
>>>
>>> There are a lot of database models already part of the documentation
>>> but I am not sure if they are up to date.
>>> I also do not know what tool was used to make them
>>> We use MySQL Workbench which is free and produces diagrams that are
>>> pretty aesthetically pleasing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/12/2014 1:56 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>> I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
>>>> the project's future of design & spec-chasing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>>>>> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
>>>>> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a
>>>>> clean
>>>>> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was
>>>>> useful
>>>>> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
>>>>> well as reporting relationships between people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
>>>>> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that
>>>>>>> I made,
>>>>>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if
>>>>>>> any of
>>>>>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>>>>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>>>>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually
>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of
>>>>>>> graphviz in
>>>>>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>>>>>> hierarchical data.
>>>>>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as
>>>>>>> GetOrgChart's
>>>>>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac
>>>>>>>> lock-ins, but
>>>>>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle
>>>>>>>> is .xml
>>>>>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>>>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking
>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>> format for the project's graphical source files
>>>>>>>> (production-ready files
>>>>>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>>>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac
>>>>>>>>>> who is
>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Sharan-F

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Sharan-F

Hi Everyone

Thanks for all the responses and suggestions.

I agree with the general opinion that we need to move diagrams into open source based formats so that we dont have this type of issue in the future.

I am currently putting together a draft roadmap for the documentation workstream

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Documentation+Roadmap

so I will add the tools mentioned into a tools section.

I will also add another role for anyone wanting to help out with diagrams and diagram conversions to an open source format.

In general if anyone interested in helping out in the documentation workstream then please add your name to the wiki page.

Thanks
Sharan

Sharan-F

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Ron Wheeler

Hi Ron

Thanks for doing an initial diagram conversion on this. I'm definitely interested in learning more about how to use these tools and I know we have a lot of diagrams to convert and update.

Unless anyone else wants to step in and work with you to update this particular diagram, I'm afraid that I wont have any time free until after the New Year.

Thanks
Sharan

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Jacques Le Roux

I thought that I had seen some UML Use Case fragments but I can not find
them again.
There are drawings at these locations:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/7045155/01MainDiagram.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1267053493000&api=v2
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/7045155/18ArtRefDia.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1267053493000&api=v2

Do we need them?
If we do, do we have the sources?

Ron

On 15/12/2014 11:38 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by pierre.gaudin

Looks very nice. The blue shading is a bit too much when the images are
posted on the wiki - I did find one in my searching and it was hard to
read the entity name since the black did not have enough contrast with
the blue.

http://ufo.labs.libre-entreprise.org/UFO/screenshots.html does not show
all of the UML drawings that one would like to have.
Use case, Sequence, Activity are not shown.

It looks really good as an ER tool.
Does anyone know which one was used to make the ER diagrams in the Wiki?

Ron

On 16/12/2014 3:24 AM, pierre.gaudin wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> There is a tool : UFO (UML for OFBIz) that have been developed to make
> UML diagrams from OFBiz XML entity definition :
> http://ufo.labs.libre-entreprise.org/UFO/index.html
> http://www.neogia.org/wiki/index.php/U.F.O.
>
> We use it for a long time and it works well. It's on GPL licence but
> may be it can be set to Apache licence.
>
> Pierre
> On 16/12/2014 05:38, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> The graphs at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Data+Model+Diagrams
>> were done using OmniGraffle, that's all what I know. Are you
>> referring to other places (IIRW other places are older...)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 15/12/2014 20:37, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>> Others may have more definite information about what has been used
>>> in the past.
>>>
>>> I have seen UML(use case) drawings in the wiki that use the same (or
>>> very similar) graphics that ArgoUML uses.
>>> ArgoUML is open source
>>> We are only scratching the surface in our internal use of it so I am
>>> not an expert modeller but it looks like something that an
>>> experienced UML modeler should be able to use to get most of the
>>> diagrams required to support development.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have a product that deals with the issue of
>>> version control and SCM for models in a way that allowed many people
>>> to update the models.
>>> It is probably possible to partition the model into enough chunks
>>> that people can keep the models up to date without tripping over
>>> each other.
>>>
>>> There are a lot of database models already part of the documentation
>>> but I am not sure if they are up to date.
>>> I also do not know what tool was used to make them
>>> We use MySQL Workbench which is free and produces diagrams that are
>>> pretty aesthetically pleasing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/12/2014 1:56 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>> I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
>>>> the project's future of design & spec-chasing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>>>>> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
>>>>> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a
>>>>> clean
>>>>> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was
>>>>> useful
>>>>> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
>>>>> well as reporting relationships between people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
>>>>> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that
>>>>>>> I made,
>>>>>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if
>>>>>>> any of
>>>>>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>>>>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>>>>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually
>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of
>>>>>>> graphviz in
>>>>>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>>>>>> hierarchical data.
>>>>>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as
>>>>>>> GetOrgChart's
>>>>>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac
>>>>>>>> lock-ins, but
>>>>>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle
>>>>>>>> is .xml
>>>>>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>>>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking
>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>> format for the project's graphical source files
>>>>>>>> (production-ready files
>>>>>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>>>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac
>>>>>>>>>> who is
>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

--
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President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Ron Wheeler

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

In reply to this post by Sharan-F

It is easy to update.
If anyone can tell me what they want to add or subtract, I can do this
very quickly.
If someone wants to edit the file themselves (or make new ones) and
needs any help, just let me know.

Ron

On 16/12/2014 4:09 AM, Sharan-F wrote:

> Hi Ron
>
> Thanks for doing an initial diagram conversion on this. I'm definitely
> interested in learning more about how to use these tools and I know we have
> a lot of diagrams to convert and update.
>
> Unless anyone else wants to step in and work with you to update this
> particular diagram, I'm afraid that I wont have any time free until after
> the New Year.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615p4659648.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: [hidden email]
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Jacques Le Roux

Re: Help needed to update an OFBiz Wiki Graffle Diagram

Administrator

In reply to this post by Ron Wheeler

Le 16/12/2014 14:21, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
> I thought that I had seen some UML Use Case fragments but I can not find them again.
> There are drawings at these locations:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/7045155/01MainDiagram.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1267053493000&api=v2
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/7045155/18ArtRefDia.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1267053493000&api=v2
>
> Do we need them?

Yes, they are part of https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Framework+Introduction+Videos+and+Diagrams

Jacques

> If we do, do we have the sources?

David has them I suppose, maybe even HWM?

Jacques

>
> Ron
>
> On 15/12/2014 11:38 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> The graphs at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Data+Model+Diagrams were done using OmniGraffle, that's all what I know. Are you
>> referring to other places (IIRW other places are older...)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 15/12/2014 20:37, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>> Others may have more definite information about what has been used in the past.
>>>
>>> I have seen UML(use case) drawings in the wiki that use the same (or very similar) graphics that ArgoUML uses.
>>> ArgoUML is open source
>>> We are only scratching the surface in our internal use of it so I am not an expert modeller but it looks like something that an experienced UML
>>> modeler should be able to use to get most of the diagrams required to support development.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have a product that deals with the issue of version control and SCM for models in a way that allowed many people to update the
>>> models.
>>> It is probably possible to partition the model into enough chunks that people can keep the models up to date without tripping over each other.
>>>
>>> There are a lot of database models already part of the documentation but I am not sure if they are up to date.
>>> I also do not know what tool was used to make them
>>> We use MySQL Workbench which is free and produces diagrams that are pretty aesthetically pleasing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/12/2014 1:56 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>> I'm sold ... for what that's worth. Is there any UML-type facility for
>>>> the project's future of design & spec-chasing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-12-15 10:41 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>> On 15/12/2014 1:30 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, graphs & charts represent special cases.
>>>>> For the first applications of our ETVL, org charts were a very useful
>>>>> output since we were dealing with people in organizations where a clean
>>>>> hierarchy is the common way that companies are organized. It was useful
>>>>> to have the organizational structure (departments, divisions, etc) as
>>>>> well as reporting relationships between people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graphviz is capable of producing very complex charts and has a fair
>>>>> amount of language features to support customizing the appearance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-12-15 09:49 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>> If people don't like the idea of using the Graphviz version that I made,
>>>>>>> there is a viewer for graffle that runs on the PC. Not sure if any of
>>>>>>> their other free utilities will output an SVG.
>>>>>>> Graphviz can outout SVG.
>>>>>>> I am not sure if it would be easy to use svg as a source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graphviz offers high level control over placement that usually gives a
>>>>>>> clean graph without having to manually place nodes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just started to use the dynamic javascript version of graphviz in
>>>>>>> my ETVL tool to output org charts embedded into HTML pages from
>>>>>>> hierarchical data.
>>>>>>> Works fine but the org charts are not as nice looking as GetOrgChart's
>>>>>>> charts and GetOrgChart produces a chart that can be interrogated in the
>>>>>>> browser to view the detail information stored at each node so I support
>>>>>>> both ways of generating charts in HTML format.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 12:04 PM, Todd Thorner wrote:
>>>>>>>> What happens if you change a .graffle file's extension to something
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> like SVG or XML? Any luck? I know very little about Mac lock-ins, but
>>>>>>>> if you can get a text-based file to display (e.g. if .graffle is .xml
>>>>>>>> underneath) you might be able to edit the text.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could also try taking a screenshot and then editing that by
>>>>>>>> overlaying the newer links on top of the old image. Quality might
>>>>>>>> suffer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps committers could consider SVG as a forward-thinking standard
>>>>>>>> format for the project's graphical source files (production-ready files
>>>>>>>> can be exported as whatever). My preferred tool is Inkscape
>>>>>>>> (Windows/Mac/Linux).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14-12-15 06:33 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can we move them to open source products such as Open Office or
>>>>>>>>> ArgoUML
>>>>>>>>> or Freeplane?
>>>>>>>>> These run on all platforms and are all free.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2014 7:30 AM, Sharan-F wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone in the community have access to Graffle on a Mac who is
>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>> to help us update one of our wiki diagrams?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The diagram that needs to be updated is called
>>>>>>>>>> OFBizComponentDependencies.graffle (see link below)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766065&metadataLink=true>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It forms part of the page around Component Set and Component Set
>>>>>>>>>> Dependencies page that we want keep up to date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to update some links so please respond if you can help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Help-needed-to-update-an-OFBiz-Wiki-Graffle-Diagram-tp4659615.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>