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Hi BJ,
I saw some messages from you were you spoke about Apache James. I understand that's it more powerful than MCA (notably for handling spam, etc.), but I wonder how you use it exactly with OFBiz. Because I see how you can retrieve emails from any server with OFBiz JavaMail container but I wonder where you put James in this scheme. Could you explain in few words, please? Thanks Jacques |
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basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup.
So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. I Still use MCA to route emails to other services like shippers notification, Inventory updates from suppliers. and IN my case I use it for multiple domains It also provides the outgoing mail server without using someone else's so you have your domain in the email instead of gmail or such. though this last can be gotten from other services it is nice not to have to pay for it. Finally Since I provide POP3 and Imap service to email clients as well it just makes it easier to handle emails in one place. Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/7/2010 7:22 AM: > Hi BJ, > > I saw some messages from you were you spoke about Apache James. I > understand that's it more powerful than MCA (notably for handling spam, > etc.), but I wonder how you use it exactly with OFBiz. > Because I see how you can retrieve emails from any server with OFBiz > JavaMail container but I wonder where you put James in this scheme. > Could you explain in few words, please? > > Thanks > > Jacques > > > |
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From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]>
> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. > So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be > configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, that's it? > I Still use MCA to route emails to other services like shippers > notification, Inventory updates from suppliers. > > and IN my case I use it for multiple domains > It also provides the outgoing mail server without using someone else's > so you have your domain in the email instead of gmail or such. > though this last can be gotten from other services it is nice not to > have to pay for it. Yes, sure! > Finally Since I provide POP3 and Imap service to email clients as well > it just makes it easier to handle emails in one place. Thanks BJ Jacques > > > Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/7/2010 7:22 AM: > > >> Hi BJ, >> >> I saw some messages from you were you spoke about Apache James. I >> understand that's it more powerful than MCA (notably for handling spam, >> etc.), but I wonder how you use it exactly with OFBiz. >> Because I see how you can retrieve emails from any server with OFBiz >> JavaMail container but I wonder where you put James in this scheme. >> Could you explain in few words, please? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jacques >> >> >> > |
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On 10/8/2010 9:10 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. > > Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. > >> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. > > I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, > that's it? James is a mail server. You would use it instead of an ISP-supplied mail server, like BJ described. -Adrian |
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From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]>
> On 10/8/2010 9:10 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. >> >> Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. >> >>> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >>> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. >> >> I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, >> that's it? > > James is a mail server. You would use it instead of an ISP-supplied mail > server, like BJ described. Yes, that's what I have understood from the beginning. As I have never worked with an mail server, there is something I still don't clearly understand. How do you handle emails coming from another server when you want to send them to OFBiz? Thanks Jacques > -Adrian > |
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There are many considerations
My main one is human engineering. So I ask myself from a users point of view is is easier to have a external mail system they can follow easily with a few config files or a system that requires programming. That is a no brainer. From a production point of view do I really want to stop and start ofbiz to do mail maintainence. Answer No. If you not going to use a Third party Mail service you don't need the spam, virus, and other mail filtering that is already in James. the RFC for mail server pretty much explain the basics. However till you see the real world effort to misuse the mailserver or spammer and those that want to Jam up the Internet, you don't appreciate what James does. Baically you set up a dns Mx record that point to the server with the mailserver on it. the Mail server usually uses standard port to receive the Ehlo and Helo queries. That is when the real world step in and starts to mess with you mail server. Just as a side note I run 150 threads to handle the Ehelo ahd Helo ========================= BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/8/2010 9:10 AM: > From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. > > Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. > >> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. > > I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, > that's it? > >> I Still use MCA to route emails to other services like shippers >> notification, Inventory updates from suppliers. >> >> and IN my case I use it for multiple domains >> It also provides the outgoing mail server without using someone else's >> so you have your domain in the email instead of gmail or such. >> though this last can be gotten from other services it is nice not to >> have to pay for it. > > Yes, sure! > >> Finally Since I provide POP3 and Imap service to email clients as well >> it just makes it easier to handle emails in one place. > > Thanks BJ > > Jacques > >> >> >> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/7/2010 7:22 AM: >> >> >>> Hi BJ, >>> >>> I saw some messages from you were you spoke about Apache James. I >>> understand that's it more powerful than MCA (notably for handling spam, >>> etc.), but I wonder how you use it exactly with OFBiz. >>> Because I see how you can retrieve emails from any server with OFBiz >>> JavaMail container but I wonder where you put James in this scheme. >>> Could you explain in few words, please? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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oops to many Nots
If you not going to use a Third party Mail service you need the spam, virus, and other mail filtering that is already in James. ========================= BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man BJ Freeman sent the following on 10/8/2010 10:59 AM: > If you not going to use a Third party Mail service you don't need the > spam, virus, and other mail filtering that is already in James. |
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From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]>
> There are many considerations > My main one is human engineering. > So I ask myself > from a users point of view is is easier to have a external mail system they can follow easily with a few config files or a system > that requires programming. That is a no brainer. > From a production point of view do I really want to stop and start ofbiz to do mail maintainence. Answer No. I did not thought about the production aspect, good point indeed! > If you not going to use a Third party Mail service you don't need the spam, virus, and other mail filtering that is already in > James. That's what I find interesting, more filters for spam is always better... I know what I'm talking about... > the RFC for mail server pretty much explain the basics. > However till you see the real world effort to misuse the mailserver or spammer and those that want to Jam up the Internet, you > don't appreciate what James does. Actually the sole experience I have with a mail server was some years ago. It was on a Windows 2003 server (not my choice!) and I had to use Merak (now IceWarp) but without all the options. Most of the time it was cool, but sometimes a nightmare (especially when users don't want to understand about spam). > Baically you set up a dns Mx record that point to the server with the mailserver on it. > the Mail server usually uses standard port to receive the Ehlo and Helo queries. > That is when the real world step in and starts to mess with you mail server. > > Just as a side note I run 150 threads to handle the Ehelo ahd Helo I think I have to read the RFC in details because my knowledge is limited to what I used with Merak (which is already a good start...) Thanks BJ! Jacques > ========================= > BJ Freeman > Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > > Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/8/2010 9:10 AM: > > >> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. >> >> Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. >> >>> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >>> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. >> >> I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, >> that's it? >> >>> I Still use MCA to route emails to other services like shippers >>> notification, Inventory updates from suppliers. >>> >>> and IN my case I use it for multiple domains >>> It also provides the outgoing mail server without using someone else's >>> so you have your domain in the email instead of gmail or such. >>> though this last can be gotten from other services it is nice not to >>> have to pay for it. >> >> Yes, sure! >> >>> Finally Since I provide POP3 and Imap service to email clients as well >>> it just makes it easier to handle emails in one place. >> >> Thanks BJ >> >> Jacques >> >>> >>> >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 10/7/2010 7:22 AM: >>> >>> >>>> Hi BJ, >>>> >>>> I saw some messages from you were you spoke about Apache James. I >>>> understand that's it more powerful than MCA (notably for handling spam, >>>> etc.), but I wonder how you use it exactly with OFBiz. >>>> Because I see how you can retrieve emails from any server with OFBiz >>>> JavaMail container but I wonder where you put James in this scheme. >>>> Could you explain in few words, please? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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On 08/10/10 22:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> On 10/8/2010 9:10 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>>> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. >>> >>> Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. >>> >>>> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >>>> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one >>>> account. >>> >>> I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, >>> that's it? >> >> James is a mail server. You would use it instead of an ISP-supplied >> mail server, like BJ described. > > Yes, that's what I have understood from the beginning. > As I have never worked with an mail server, there is something I still > don't clearly understand. How do you handle emails coming from another > server when you want to send them to OFBiz? well. James is a SMTP, POP/IMAP server. You an use it as relay SMTP of standalone SMTP. If you want other MTAs to send mails directory to JAMES, you will need to create MX record in the DNS for your domain and point it to the host where JAMES is installed. > > Thanks > > Jacques > >> -Adrian >> > > |
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From: "Raj Saini" <[hidden email]>
> On 08/10/10 22:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>> On 10/8/2010 9:10 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>>>> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. >>>> >>>> Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. >>>> >>>>> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >>>>> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one >>>>> account. >>>> >>>> I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, >>>> that's it? >>> >>> James is a mail server. You would use it instead of an ISP-supplied >>> mail server, like BJ described. >> >> Yes, that's what I have understood from the beginning. >> As I have never worked with an mail server, there is something I still >> don't clearly understand. How do you handle emails coming from another >> server when you want to send them to OFBiz? > I have been working with mail servers for some time and used James as > well. James is a SMTP, POP/IMAP server. You an use it as relay SMTP of > standalone SMTP. If you want other MTAs to send mails directory to > JAMES, you will need to create MX record in the DNS for your domain and > point it to the host where JAMES is installed. Thanks Raj, It's quite clear now :o) Jacques >> >> Thanks >> >> Jacques >> >>> -Adrian >>> >> >> > |
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From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> From: "Raj Saini" <[hidden email]> >> On 08/10/10 22:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>> On 10/8/2010 9:10 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> basically ofbiz will only work with one email account as it setup. >>>>> >>>>> Form JavaMailContainer.java, it seems you can set many listeners. >>>>> >>>>>> So if you have many email accounts that are needed then james can be >>>>>> configure to receive all these accounts and funnel then into one account. >>>>> >>>>> I see. It's used as a mail client forwarding to the JavaMailContainer, >>>>> that's it? >>>> >>>> James is a mail server. You would use it instead of an ISP-supplied mail server, like BJ described. >>> >>> Yes, that's what I have understood from the beginning. >>> As I have never worked with an mail server, there is something I still don't clearly understand. How do you handle emails coming >>> from another server when you want to send them to OFBiz? >> I have been working with mail servers for some time and used James as well. James is a SMTP, POP/IMAP server. You an use it as >> relay SMTP of standalone SMTP. If you want other MTAs to send mails directory to JAMES, you will need to create MX record in the >> DNS for your domain and point it to the host where JAMES is installed. > > Thanks Raj, > > It's quite clear now :o) > > Jacques Actually, for record history, the thing I was looking for is James's fetchmail http://james.apache.org/server/2.2.0/fetchmail_configuration.html Jacques >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>> >>> >> > |
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