Just wondering if anyone on this list is interested in this?

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi All:
Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me.
But I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about this?

Regards,
Ruth Hoffman

[Patrick-4]

Just curious what problems do you have with 1.6?

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi All:
> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me. But
> I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about this?
>
> Regards,
> Ruth Hoffman
>
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Patrick:

My production server is running a version of the O.S. for which there is
no production quality version of Java 1.6 available. So, in order to
move to 1.6, I need to upgrade my server's OS, which is something I
don't really want to deal with right now. My setup works fine. Never
crashes and, whenever the power goes out or some other calamity happens,
it reboots and OFBiz and the database come up automatically with no issues.

So, much as I'd like to try out 1.6, it doesn't make good business sense
for me. I'm also curious as to how many folks out there are running
applications dependent on 1.6. I've been to a few bigger Java shops
recently and none of them run 1.6. Some are still (happily) on 1.4.

Regards,
Ruth

Patrick wrote:

> Just curious what problems do you have with 1.6?
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> Hi All:
>> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
>> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me. But
>> I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about this?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth Hoffman
>>
>>
>>    
>
>  

[Adrian Crum]

A couple of things I can think of off the top of my head - versions
older than 6 are no longer supported by Sun. Version 6 continues to
improve on performance - especially in garbage collection.

I agree that OS upgrades are a pain, but the harsh reality is, you will
have to do it someday.

-Adrian

On 8/17/2010 11:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Patrick:
>
> My production server is running a version of the O.S. for which there is
> no production quality version of Java 1.6 available. So, in order to
> move to 1.6, I need to upgrade my server's OS, which is something I
> don't really want to deal with right now. My setup works fine. Never
> crashes and, whenever the power goes out or some other calamity happens,
> it reboots and OFBiz and the database come up automatically with no issues.
>
> So, much as I'd like to try out 1.6, it doesn't make good business sense
> for me. I'm also curious as to how many folks out there are running
> applications dependent on 1.6. I've been to a few bigger Java shops
> recently and none of them run 1.6. Some are still (happily) on 1.4.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Patrick wrote:
>> Just curious what problems do you have with 1.6?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
>>> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for
>>> me. But
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[jonatan soto]

I'll consider before make Ofbiz 10.4 compatible with Java 5 if it worths the
effort. Probably you'll found much easier upgrading your SO rather making
Ofbiz compatible, but I'm not the right person to confirm that since my
knowledge of how many Java 6 stuff are in the entire Ofbiz code is very
little.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Adrian Crum <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A couple of things I can think of off the top of my head - versions older
> than 6 are no longer supported by Sun. Version 6 continues to improve on
> performance - especially in garbage collection.
>
> I agree that OS upgrades are a pain, but the harsh reality is, you will
> have to do it someday.
>
> -Adrian
>
>
> On 8/17/2010 11:21 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick:
>>
>> My production server is running a version of the O.S. for which there is
>> no production quality version of Java 1.6 available. So, in order to
>> move to 1.6, I need to upgrade my server's OS, which is something I
>> don't really want to deal with right now. My setup works fine. Never
>> crashes and, whenever the power goes out or some other calamity happens,
>> it reboots and OFBiz and the database come up automatically with no
>> issues.
>>
>> So, much as I'd like to try out 1.6, it doesn't make good business sense
>> for me. I'm also curious as to how many folks out there are running
>> applications dependent on 1.6. I've been to a few bigger Java shops
>> recently and none of them run 1.6. Some are still (happily) on 1.4.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious what problems do you have with 1.6?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
>>>> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for
>>>> me. But
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about this?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

--
-----

Jonatan Soto

[James McGill-5]

I am curious as to what server OS you run that doesn't have a Java 6 SDK.

I'm also wondering which Java 6 incompatibilities cause problems with
OFBiz.  NIO?  Calendar durations?  Bean eventHandlers?  Forced validation on
casts?

--
James McGill
Phoenix AZ

[BJ Freeman]

simple answer is the current code will not compile with 1.5.
a lot of code has been backported to 9.04 so it requires 1.6 also.

to your problem, usually Sun java will work on any OS it has in the past.
for a linux machine it usually installed in a new place and you have to
do hand edits to get to run on ofbiz.

as a note I have 1.2 through 1.6 on my linux machine even have some 1.4
code running that I am to lazy to recompile under 1.6.

I would be glad to help you work though what you have to do if you let
me know what OS you running.


thsese steps will not effect your current installation.

start by installing the 10.4 in a new directory
do a chown of the directory to the a new user like ofbiz10.4
then install Sun SDK 1.6
the install will tell you the path to the 1.6
if you use the rc.ofbiz copy that to where the other one is and rename
it to ofbiz10.4
edit the file to have paths to the java 1.6.
also edit your ./ant file to use the java 1.6 path.
you should be able then to do a run-install to test the installation.

let me know if you get that far or run into problems







Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 10:48 AM:
> Hi All:
> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me.
> But I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about this?
>
> Regards,
> Ruth Hoffman
>
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi James:
I had an older MAC PowerPC G5 workstation running 10.4 that was sitting
around, so I decided to use it for http://www.myofbiz.com. Works like a
champ and I have the nice MAC user interface (and UNIX command-line) to
support all the system administrative things I need to do.

Downside, I'd have to buy 10.5 to run Java 1.6. (Apple rolls its own
Java, I'm guessing from Sun sources). I already made the plunge for my
laptop and other systems, but it doesn't make a lot of sense right now
to upgrade the myofbiz.com server. Maybe when traffic picks up and/or I
have to move to a hosting center.

I too am wondering about the incompatibilities. That is one reason I
asked the question. Like I said, I haven't seen any Java shops using 1.6
in a big way. Maybe I'm just not in any of the right places :-)

Regards,
Ruth

James McGill wrote:
> I am curious as to what server OS you run that doesn't have a Java 6 SDK.
>
> I'm also wondering which Java 6 incompatibilities cause problems with
> OFBiz.  NIO?  Calendar durations?  Bean eventHandlers?  Forced validation on
> casts?
>
>  

[Rob Schapper]

Ruth you might be interested in this:

http://rorblog.techcfl.com/2008/02/26/installing-the-jdk-16-on-mac-os-x/

Thanks,

Rob Schapper


On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi James:
> I had an older MAC PowerPC G5 workstation running 10.4 that was sitting around, so I decided to use it for http://www.myofbiz.com. Works like a champ and I have the nice MAC user interface (and UNIX command-line) to support all the system administrative things I need to do.
>
> Downside, I'd have to buy 10.5 to run Java 1.6. (Apple rolls its own Java, I'm guessing from Sun sources). I already made the plunge for my laptop and other systems, but it doesn't make a lot of sense right now to upgrade the myofbiz.com server. Maybe when traffic picks up and/or I have to move to a hosting center.
>
> I too am wondering about the incompatibilities. That is one reason I asked the question. Like I said, I haven't seen any Java shops using 1.6 in a big way. Maybe I'm just not in any of the right places :-)
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> James McGill wrote:
>> I am curious as to what server OS you run that doesn't have a Java 6 SDK.
>>
>> I'm also wondering which Java 6 incompatibilities cause problems with
>> OFBiz.  NIO?  Calendar durations?  Bean eventHandlers?  Forced validation on
>> casts?
>>
>>  

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi BJ:
I hope not about 9.04 - this would be a serious violation of the bug fix
vs. new features "line in the sand" that the project has endorsed for
some time now.

Thanks for the install info. I've done this successfully before many
times. Problem is that there isn't a pre-built Java 1.6 for  MAC OS 1.4
(or prior)  Operating Systems. And personally, I don't want to go
through the process of building a compiler from scratch...

Anyhow, one of these days I might upgrade my server. My laptop is
already there.

Regards,
Ruth

BJ Freeman wrote:

> simple answer is the current code will not compile with 1.5.
> a lot of code has been backported to 9.04 so it requires 1.6 also.
>
> to your problem, usually Sun java will work on any OS it has in the past.
> for a linux machine it usually installed in a new place and you have
> to do hand edits to get to run on ofbiz.
>
> as a note I have 1.2 through 1.6 on my linux machine even have some
> 1.4 code running that I am to lazy to recompile under 1.6.
>
> I would be glad to help you work though what you have to do if you let
> me know what OS you running.
>
>
> thsese steps will not effect your current installation.
>
> start by installing the 10.4 in a new directory
> do a chown of the directory to the a new user like ofbiz10.4
> then install Sun SDK 1.6
> the install will tell you the path to the 1.6
> if you use the rc.ofbiz copy that to where the other one is and rename
> it to ofbiz10.4
> edit the file to have paths to the java 1.6.
> also edit your ./ant file to use the java 1.6 path.
> you should be able then to do a run-install to test the installation.
>
> let me know if you get that far or run into problems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 10:48 AM:
>> Hi All:
>> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
>> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me.
>> But I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about
>> this?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth Hoffman
>>
>>
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Rob:
Thanks. I already upgraded my laptop (and some other servers) and found
a few problems. Most annoying was that GIMP didn't work anymore. I won't
bore you with the details on fixing that one but I use GIMP pretty
extensively to get screen shots etc. for my books. So, being without for
sometime really made me stop and think about upgrading my production
server. Who knows what other issues lurk out there.

Thanks much.
Ruth

Rob Schapper wrote:

> Ruth you might be interested in this:
>
> http://rorblog.techcfl.com/2008/02/26/installing-the-jdk-16-on-mac-os-x/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob Schapper
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>  
>> Hi James:
>> I had an older MAC PowerPC G5 workstation running 10.4 that was sitting around, so I decided to use it for http://www.myofbiz.com. Works like a champ and I have the nice MAC user interface (and UNIX command-line) to support all the system administrative things I need to do.
>>
>> Downside, I'd have to buy 10.5 to run Java 1.6. (Apple rolls its own Java, I'm guessing from Sun sources). I already made the plunge for my laptop and other systems, but it doesn't make a lot of sense right now to upgrade the myofbiz.com server. Maybe when traffic picks up and/or I have to move to a hosting center.
>>
>> I too am wondering about the incompatibilities. That is one reason I asked the question. Like I said, I haven't seen any Java shops using 1.6 in a big way. Maybe I'm just not in any of the right places :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> James McGill wrote:
>>    
>>> I am curious as to what server OS you run that doesn't have a Java 6 SDK.
>>>
>>> I'm also wondering which Java 6 incompatibilities cause problems with
>>> OFBiz.  NIO?  Calendar durations?  Bean eventHandlers?  Forced validation on
>>> casts?
>>>
>>>  
>>>      
>
>  

[BJ Freeman]

at least you can run the 10.4 on your laptop for testing and copy your
data from the server to your laptop.
your right
Adrian Crum wrote:
  The 9.04 version does not depend on Java 6 - it requires Java 5.

  -Adrian

Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 1:32 PM:

> Hi BJ:
> I hope not about 9.04 - this would be a serious violation of the bug fix
> vs. new features "line in the sand" that the project has endorsed for
> some time now.
>
> Thanks for the install info. I've done this successfully before many
> times. Problem is that there isn't a pre-built Java 1.6 for MAC OS 1.4
> (or prior) Operating Systems. And personally, I don't want to go through
> the process of building a compiler from scratch...
>
> Anyhow, one of these days I might upgrade my server. My laptop is
> already there.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> simple answer is the current code will not compile with 1.5.
>> a lot of code has been backported to 9.04 so it requires 1.6 also.
>>
>> to your problem, usually Sun java will work on any OS it has in the past.
>> for a linux machine it usually installed in a new place and you have
>> to do hand edits to get to run on ofbiz.
>>
>> as a note I have 1.2 through 1.6 on my linux machine even have some
>> 1.4 code running that I am to lazy to recompile under 1.6.
>>
>> I would be glad to help you work though what you have to do if you let
>> me know what OS you running.
>>
>>
>> thsese steps will not effect your current installation.
>>
>> start by installing the 10.4 in a new directory
>> do a chown of the directory to the a new user like ofbiz10.4
>> then install Sun SDK 1.6
>> the install will tell you the path to the 1.6
>> if you use the rc.ofbiz copy that to where the other one is and rename
>> it to ofbiz10.4
>> edit the file to have paths to the java 1.6.
>> also edit your ./ant file to use the java 1.6 path.
>> you should be able then to do a run-install to test the installation.
>>
>> let me know if you get that far or run into problems
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 10:48 AM:
>>> Hi All:
>>> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
>>> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me.
>>> But I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[BJ Freeman]

the only thing you would not do is change you path.
that way those that depend on 1.5 will still work.
you would hard code the paths to 1.6 into the ofbiz stuff.


Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 1:38 PM:

> Hi Rob:
> Thanks. I already upgraded my laptop (and some other servers) and found
> a few problems. Most annoying was that GIMP didn't work anymore. I won't
> bore you with the details on fixing that one but I use GIMP pretty
> extensively to get screen shots etc. for my books. So, being without for
> sometime really made me stop and think about upgrading my production
> server. Who knows what other issues lurk out there.
>
> Thanks much.
> Ruth
>
> Rob Schapper wrote:
>> Ruth you might be interested in this:
>>
>> http://rorblog.techcfl.com/2008/02/26/installing-the-jdk-16-on-mac-os-x/
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rob Schapper
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi James:
>>> I had an older MAC PowerPC G5 workstation running 10.4 that was
>>> sitting around, so I decided to use it for http://www.myofbiz.com.
>>> Works like a champ and I have the nice MAC user interface (and UNIX
>>> command-line) to support all the system administrative things I need
>>> to do.
>>>
>>> Downside, I'd have to buy 10.5 to run Java 1.6. (Apple rolls its own
>>> Java, I'm guessing from Sun sources). I already made the plunge for
>>> my laptop and other systems, but it doesn't make a lot of sense right
>>> now to upgrade the myofbiz.com server. Maybe when traffic picks up
>>> and/or I have to move to a hosting center.
>>>
>>> I too am wondering about the incompatibilities. That is one reason I
>>> asked the question. Like I said, I haven't seen any Java shops using
>>> 1.6 in a big way. Maybe I'm just not in any of the right places :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> James McGill wrote:
>>>> I am curious as to what server OS you run that doesn't have a Java 6
>>>> SDK.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also wondering which Java 6 incompatibilities cause problems with
>>>> OFBiz. NIO? Calendar durations? Bean eventHandlers? Forced
>>>> validation on
>>>> casts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

[James McGill-5]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM, BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> simple answer is the current code will not compile with 1.5.
>

I'm trying to resolve that against the relatively small number of documented
changes from 5.0 to 6.0.

I had a feeling Ruth's problem involved 32-bit OSX.  Not much you can do
there.

--
James McGill
Phoenix AZ

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

True.
Thanks again for taking time to help me out here.
Regards,
Ruth

BJ Freeman wrote:

> at least you can run the 10.4 on your laptop for testing and copy your
> data from the server to your laptop.
> your right
> Adrian Crum wrote:
>  The 9.04 version does not depend on Java 6 - it requires Java 5.
>
>  -Adrian
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 1:32 PM:
>> Hi BJ:
>> I hope not about 9.04 - this would be a serious violation of the bug fix
>> vs. new features "line in the sand" that the project has endorsed for
>> some time now.
>>
>> Thanks for the install info. I've done this successfully before many
>> times. Problem is that there isn't a pre-built Java 1.6 for MAC OS 1.4
>> (or prior) Operating Systems. And personally, I don't want to go through
>> the process of building a compiler from scratch...
>>
>> Anyhow, one of these days I might upgrade my server. My laptop is
>> already there.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> simple answer is the current code will not compile with 1.5.
>>> a lot of code has been backported to 9.04 so it requires 1.6 also.
>>>
>>> to your problem, usually Sun java will work on any OS it has in the
>>> past.
>>> for a linux machine it usually installed in a new place and you have
>>> to do hand edits to get to run on ofbiz.
>>>
>>> as a note I have 1.2 through 1.6 on my linux machine even have some
>>> 1.4 code running that I am to lazy to recompile under 1.6.
>>>
>>> I would be glad to help you work though what you have to do if you let
>>> me know what OS you running.
>>>
>>>
>>> thsese steps will not effect your current installation.
>>>
>>> start by installing the 10.4 in a new directory
>>> do a chown of the directory to the a new user like ofbiz10.4
>>> then install Sun SDK 1.6
>>> the install will tell you the path to the 1.6
>>> if you use the rc.ofbiz copy that to where the other one is and rename
>>> it to ofbiz10.4
>>> edit the file to have paths to the java 1.6.
>>> also edit your ./ant file to use the java 1.6 path.
>>> you should be able then to do a run-install to test the installation.
>>>
>>> let me know if you get that far or run into problems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/17/2010 10:48 AM:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> Is there any interest in making OFBiz 10.4 (and all the 10.x) releases
>>>> compatible with Java 1.5? Requiring 1.6 is a real show stopper for me.
>>>> But I'm wondering if anyone else out there really cares at all about
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>