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Sharan-F
Hi

Thanks Julien for the svg files. I'm going to send them to Kenneth.  In any case I'm convinced now that the svg file quality is what we need. So once we have the logo done, I think it would be good to load the svg files onto the project site for general branding.

Thanks
Sharan
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Sharan-F
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Hi Everyone

Thanks very much for your feedback. I'll carry one working with Kenneth to refine the second logo option.(the one with the whitespace). I'll also see if we can start using the svg instead of the png format for it as the image quality and re-sizing etc is a whole lot better. (thanks Julien for bringing this up)

Thanks
Sharan
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Ashish Vijaywargiya-4
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Hello Sharan,

There is one minor improvement that we can do in feather image. See the
bottom most part of the current feather, I think it should contain the
edges started from bottom left(this does exists) as well as on bottom
right(this is missing) and there will be straight center line joining both
the edges.

Current Feather Image: http://i.imgur.com/iclJsQx.png
Actual image of Feather(See the bottom most part where edges starts):
https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/composite/81,54/feather-vector-1028154.jpg

I think we can do the adjustment and shift bottom right edge towards left
so it will start touch the center line.

I don't know whether it will be difficult one or simple one but thought to
share this thought with everyone.
Thanks!

--
Kind Regards
Ashish Vijaywargiya
HotWax Systems - est. 1997
https://in.linkedin.com/in/ashishvijaywargiya1

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> As the ASF has recently re-branded with a new feather logo, I'm looking to
> update our OFBiz logo to include the new style feather. This will be then
> be
> used on the new website as our logo.
>
> The new Apache feather is thinner, has a more detail and uses some new
> colours. We have come up with a couple of ideas and I'd like to get some
> community feedback on which people prefer before refining it any further.
>
> The first is based on what we have now. The feather complete fills the
> space
> of the 'O'.
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo.png?api=v2
>
> The old feather was a lot fatter so filled more space of the 'O'.
>
> The second puts some whitespace around the feather to make the 'O' more
> distinct.
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo-withUpdatedO.png?api=v2
>
> What do people think? (I like the second one :-)
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Julien NICOLAS
I think that is an artistic decision. It's the Apache official logo
style and not a problem.

I prefer to keep the Original Apache Logo than an home made feather :)

Julien.

On 30/05/2016 11:59, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:

> Hello Sharan,
>
> There is one minor improvement that we can do in feather image. See the
> bottom most part of the current feather, I think it should contain the
> edges started from bottom left(this does exists) as well as on bottom
> right(this is missing) and there will be straight center line joining both
> the edges.
>
> Current Feather Image: http://i.imgur.com/iclJsQx.png
> Actual image of Feather(See the bottom most part where edges starts):
> https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/composite/81,54/feather-vector-1028154.jpg
>
> I think we can do the adjustment and shift bottom right edge towards left
> so it will start touch the center line.
>
> I don't know whether it will be difficult one or simple one but thought to
> share this thought with everyone.
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Kind Regards
> Ashish Vijaywargiya
> HotWax Systems - est. 1997
> https://in.linkedin.com/in/ashishvijaywargiya1
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> As the ASF has recently re-branded with a new feather logo, I'm looking to
>> update our OFBiz logo to include the new style feather. This will be then
>> be
>> used on the new website as our logo.
>>
>> The new Apache feather is thinner, has a more detail and uses some new
>> colours. We have come up with a couple of ideas and I'd like to get some
>> community feedback on which people prefer before refining it any further.
>>
>> The first is based on what we have now. The feather complete fills the
>> space
>> of the 'O'.
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo.png?api=v2
>>
>> The old feather was a lot fatter so filled more space of the 'O'.
>>
>> The second puts some whitespace around the feather to make the 'O' more
>> distinct.
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo-withUpdatedO.png?api=v2
>>
>> What do people think? (I like the second one :-)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769.html
>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Ashish Vijaywargiya-4
Your comment make sense to me!
Are you aware of any such discussion and then conclusion? May be do we have
some historical references on infra mailing list or at some other place?

--
Kind Regards
Ashish Vijaywargiya
HotWax Systems - est. 1997
https://in.linkedin.com/in/ashishvijaywargiya1

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Julien NICOLAS <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I think that is an artistic decision. It's the Apache official logo style
> and not a problem.
>
> I prefer to keep the Original Apache Logo than an home made feather :)
>
> Julien.
>
>
> On 30/05/2016 11:59, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>
>> Hello Sharan,
>>
>> There is one minor improvement that we can do in feather image. See the
>> bottom most part of the current feather, I think it should contain the
>> edges started from bottom left(this does exists) as well as on bottom
>> right(this is missing) and there will be straight center line joining both
>> the edges.
>>
>> Current Feather Image: http://i.imgur.com/iclJsQx.png
>> Actual image of Feather(See the bottom most part where edges starts):
>> https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/composite/81,54/feather-vector-1028154.jpg
>>
>> I think we can do the adjustment and shift bottom right edge towards left
>> so it will start touch the center line.
>>
>> I don't know whether it will be difficult one or simple one but thought to
>> share this thought with everyone.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Kind Regards
>> Ashish Vijaywargiya
>> HotWax Systems - est. 1997
>> https://in.linkedin.com/in/ashishvijaywargiya1
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone
>>>
>>> As the ASF has recently re-branded with a new feather logo, I'm looking
>>> to
>>> update our OFBiz logo to include the new style feather. This will be then
>>> be
>>> used on the new website as our logo.
>>>
>>> The new Apache feather is thinner, has a more detail and uses some new
>>> colours. We have come up with a couple of ideas and I'd like to get some
>>> community feedback on which people prefer before refining it any further.
>>>
>>> The first is based on what we have now. The feather complete fills the
>>> space
>>> of the 'O'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo.png?api=v2
>>>
>>> The old feather was a lot fatter so filled more space of the 'O'.
>>>
>>> The second puts some whitespace around the feather to make the 'O' more
>>> distinct.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo-withUpdatedO.png?api=v2
>>>
>>> What do people think? (I like the second one :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>>
>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
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This is very nitpicky but I agree with Ashish that the proposed image looks better.

But wait, now that we will use a svg font, why not using the "real" OFBiz name (I of course mean OFBiz vs ofbiz)

I like things to be consistent (err, I'm even maniac on that :D)

Thanks

Jacques


Le 30/05/2016 à 12:08, Julien NICOLAS a écrit :

> I think that is an artistic decision. It's the Apache official logo style and not a problem.
>
> I prefer to keep the Original Apache Logo than an home made feather :)
>
> Julien.
>
> On 30/05/2016 11:59, Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>> Hello Sharan,
>>
>> There is one minor improvement that we can do in feather image. See the
>> bottom most part of the current feather, I think it should contain the
>> edges started from bottom left(this does exists) as well as on bottom
>> right(this is missing) and there will be straight center line joining both
>> the edges.
>>
>> Current Feather Image: http://i.imgur.com/iclJsQx.png
>> Actual image of Feather(See the bottom most part where edges starts):
>> https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/composite/81,54/feather-vector-1028154.jpg
>>
>> I think we can do the adjustment and shift bottom right edge towards left
>> so it will start touch the center line.
>>
>> I don't know whether it will be difficult one or simple one but thought to
>> share this thought with everyone.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Kind Regards
>> Ashish Vijaywargiya
>> HotWax Systems - est. 1997
>> https://in.linkedin.com/in/ashishvijaywargiya1
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone
>>>
>>> As the ASF has recently re-branded with a new feather logo, I'm looking to
>>> update our OFBiz logo to include the new style feather. This will be then
>>> be
>>> used on the new website as our logo.
>>>
>>> The new Apache feather is thinner, has a more detail and uses some new
>>> colours. We have come up with a couple of ideas and I'd like to get some
>>> community feedback on which people prefer before refining it any further.
>>>
>>> The first is based on what we have now. The feather complete fills the
>>> space
>>> of the 'O'.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo.png?api=v2
>>>
>>> The old feather was a lot fatter so filled more space of the 'O'.
>>>
>>> The second puts some whitespace around the feather to make the 'O' more
>>> distinct.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/UpdateOFBizLogo-withUpdatedO.png?api=v2
>>>
>>> What do people think? (I like the second one :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>
>

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Sharan-F
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Hi All

It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-)  and so maybe need to discuss this some more.

Thanks
Sharan

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Pierre Smits
I believe we have. A majority expressed a +1 for the second option. The
comment were regarding a follow up on that. So these can be addressed after
the implementation of #2.

Or you can wait.....

Best regards,

Pierre

On Monday, May 30, 2016, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-)  and so maybe
> need to discuss this some more.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769p4681835.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>


--
Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Jacopo Cappellato-5
+1 for the second one.
I also like the idea of using the capitalization as in OFBiz

Jacopo


On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I believe we have. A majority expressed a +1 for the second option. The
> comment were regarding a follow up on that. So these can be addressed after
> the implementation of #2.
>
> Or you can wait.....
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-)  and so maybe
> > need to discuss this some more.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769p4681835.html
> > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
>
>
> --
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Thanks Jacopo :)

I guess with the svg police it should be a breeze?

Jacques

Le 30/05/2016 à 14:06, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :

> +1 for the second one.
> I also like the idea of using the capitalization as in OFBiz
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe we have. A majority expressed a +1 for the second option. The
>> comment were regarding a follow up on that. So these can be addressed after
>> the implementation of #2.
>>
>> Or you can wait.....
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-)  and so maybe
>>> need to discuss this some more.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>>
>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769p4681835.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Julien NICOLAS
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If you have the font, capitalization will be easy.

But just in case the font is lost, I made some try on Open Font :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BwTaGcWGtNcGxQel9kQmxvM28/view?usp=sharing

Another subject is the TM (for trademark) could it be used with a new
logo simply or is there something to do to be able to associate it to
the new logo ?

Julien.

On 30/05/2016 14:06, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> +1 for the second one.
> I also like the idea of using the capitalization as in OFBiz
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe we have. A majority expressed a +1 for the second option. The
>> comment were regarding a follow up on that. So these can be addressed after
>> the implementation of #2.
>>
>> Or you can wait.....
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-)  and so maybe
>>> need to discuss this some more.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>>
>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769p4681835.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
Le 30/05/2016 à 15:05, Julien NICOLAS a écrit :
> If you have the font, capitalization will be easy.
>
> But just in case the font is lost, I made some try on Open Font :
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BwTaGcWGtNcGxQel9kQmxvM28/view?usp=sharing

Great, I like the 3rd more but I guess we can do better?


> Another subject is the TM (for trademark) could it be used with a new logo simply or is there something to do to be able to associate it to the new
> logo ?

I'm not sure to understand :) Is there not a TM char in svg fonts?

Jacques

>
> Julien.
>
> On 30/05/2016 14:06, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> +1 for the second one.
>> I also like the idea of using the capitalization as in OFBiz
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe we have. A majority expressed a +1 for the second option. The
>>> comment were regarding a follow up on that. So these can be addressed after
>>> the implementation of #2.
>>>
>>> Or you can wait.....
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-) and so maybe
>>>> need to discuss this some more.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>
>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769p4681835.html
>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>
>

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Julien NICOLAS


On 30/05/2016 15:17, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Le 30/05/2016 à 15:05, Julien NICOLAS a écrit :
>> If you have the font, capitalization will be easy.
>>
>> But just in case the font is lost, I made some try on Open Font :
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BwTaGcWGtNcGxQel9kQmxvM28/view?usp=sharing 
>>
>
> Great, I like the 3rd more but I guess we can do better?
If we work on a new logo, yes it's just the first step, choose the font.
After that we can work on it to obtain a better logo.
>
>
>> Another subject is the TM (for trademark) could it be used with a new
>> logo simply or is there something to do to be able to associate it to
>> the new logo ?
>
> I'm not sure to understand :) Is there not a TM char in svg fonts?
No, I'm asking about that kind of things :
http://justcreative.com/2011/01/17/how-to-trademark-a-logo/

>
> Jacques
>
>>
>> Julien.
>>
>> On 30/05/2016 14:06, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>> +1 for the second one.
>>> I also like the idea of using the capitalization as in OFBiz
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe we have. A majority expressed a +1 for the second option.
>>>> The
>>>> comment were regarding a follow up on that. So these can be
>>>> addressed after
>>>> the implementation of #2.
>>>>
>>>> Or you can wait.....
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like we havent reached a consensus after all :-) and so
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> need to discuss this some more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/MARKETING-New-OFBiz-Logo-for-Website-tp4681769p4681835.html 
>>>>
>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

Sharan-F
Hi Julien

There should be no problem using the TM logo for the new OFBiz logo. OFBiz is one of the ASF trademarks so any logo we create and use to promote our product also form part of that trademark.

We are also in the process of registering OFBiz as a registred trademark which means that at some point the TM will need to change to an 'R' in a circle.

Thanks
Sharan
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Jacques Le Roux
Administrator
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I think Sharan already answered

Jacques


Le 30/05/2016 à 15:22, Julien NICOLAS a écrit :
>>
>>> Another subject is the TM (for trademark) could it be used with a new logo simply or is there something to do to be able to associate it to the
>>> new logo ?
>>
>> I'm not sure to understand :) Is there not a TM char in svg fonts?
> No, I'm asking about that kind of things : http://justcreative.com/2011/01/17/how-to-trademark-a-logo/

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Nick Rosser-2
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V2 +1

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Malin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:27 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: {MARKETING] New OFBiz Logo for Website

+1 for the second :)

Le 28/05/2016 10:28, Sharan-F a écrit :

> Hi Everyone
>
> As the ASF has recently re-branded with a new feather logo, I'm
> looking to update our OFBiz logo to include the new style feather.
> This will be then be used on the new website as our logo.
>
> The new Apache feather is thinner, has a more detail and uses some new
> colours. We have come up with a couple of ideas and I'd like to get
> some community feedback on which people prefer before refining it any further.
>
> The first is based on what we have now. The feather complete fills the
> space of the 'O'.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/Upda
> teOFBizLogo.png?api=v2
>
> The old feather was a lot fatter so filled more space of the 'O'.
>
> The second puts some whitespace around the feather to make the 'O'
> more distinct.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/61317052/Upda
> teOFBizLogo-withUpdatedO.png?api=v2
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> What do people think? (I like the second one :-)
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
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