New Default Theme?

[Tim Ruppert]

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Cheers,
Tim
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Tim Ruppert
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http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

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----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Actually the things that IMO are missing are
> * The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site
> * Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org
> *  Release.revision informations
>
> Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright
> and a link to OFBiz site would be cool
>
> But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate
> footers ? ;o) ?

My personal vote is to get a footer that has at least the bottom one because it's super important information and that's where people have become accustomed to looking for it.  As for the ASF copyright and the OFBiz logo - those need to be there, but I'm not sure the footer is ever the best place for that.  

Designers, what do you think on the placement now that you know that people would like to see it back?

> With the update today all issues below are still there
> For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not
> look into detail but that how it works normally, this was
> introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico)

The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.

> Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get
> myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue
> at least after trying to change themes.

Hmm - try loading it up locally with this as the default theme and see if it's the theme itself or just the JS and CSS getting confused when it switches.

>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]>
> > I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> > Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> > logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have
> been
> > grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> > grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
> > language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> > clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> > having several errors.
> >
> > Ryan Foster
> > HotWax Media
> > 801.671.0769
> > [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >
> >> So far, I found also that :
> >> * there is no footer anymore
> >> * an issue with favicon.png.
> >> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply
> it.
> >> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> >> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> >> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order
> view
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> >>> I agree with Hans,
> >>>
> >>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>
> >>>> Hi David,
> >>>>
> >>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
> >>>> errors in
> >>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
> realistic.
> >>>>
> >>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
> >>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> >>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> >>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
> >>>> wasn't
> >>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
> other
> >>>> areas as svn log and ?
> >>>
> >>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
> hotwax...
> >>>
> >>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
> of
> >>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> >>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
> >>>
> >>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide
> screen
> >>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
> size
> >>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
> >>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
> >>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> >>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about
> having
> >>> a panel open at left, etc.
> >>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
> >>>
> >>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
> >>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> >>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
> >>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
> >>>
> >>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is
> not
> >>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
> >>>
> >>> Yes thank you for that !
> >>>
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
> next
> >>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Hans
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> >>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the
> back-end.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
> theme
> >>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
> perhaps
> >>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> >>>>> bluelight
> >>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like
> the
> >>>>> new
> >>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
> >>>>> theme).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
> >>>>> thoroughly
> >>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
> >>>>> there are
> >>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
> we
> >>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own
> testing
> >>>>> both
> >>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> the
> >>>>> ecommerce one yet).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> >>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better
> first
> >>>>> (and
> >>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion
> goes).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
> before
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -David
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

[Ryan Foster]

No, I don't hate footers ;).  

The originally thinking was to give the backend look and feel a more "desktop" like feeling, where most of the information and navigation is located in sidebars, file menus, tabs, etc.  Following that line of thinking, maybe we put a "help" link in the header right next to preferences that drops down in a similar fashion to show copyright, link to apache, etc.  This would function exactly the same way that the help link functions in apps like Firefox, Mac Mail, Outlook, Word, etc.  We could even put a simple keyword search field in this section that searches docs.ofbiz.org.  See the screenshot below for an example:

Ryan Foster

HotWax Media

801.671.0769

[hidden email]

On Apr 15, 2009, at 1:19 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:

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Tim
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----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Actually the things that IMO are missing are

* The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site

* Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org

*  Release.revision informations

Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright

and a link to OFBiz site would be cool

But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate

footers ? ;o) ?

My personal vote is to get a footer that has at least the bottom one because it's super important information and that's where people have become accustomed to looking for it.  As for the ASF copyright and the OFBiz logo - those need to be there, but I'm not sure the footer is ever the best place for that.  

Designers, what do you think on the placement now that you know that people would like to see it back?

With the update today all issues below are still there

For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not

look into detail but that how it works normally, this was

introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico)

The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.

Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get

myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue

at least after trying to change themes.

Hmm - try loading it up locally with this as the default theme and see if it's the theme itself or just the JS and CSS getting confused when it switches.

Jacques

From: "Ryan Foster" <[hidden email]>

I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.

Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more

logically in the header.  For instance, the secondary apps have

been

grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been

grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and

language.  The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you

clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,

having several errors.

Ryan Foster

HotWax Media

801.671.0769

[hidden email]

On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

So far, I found also that :

* there is no footer anymore

* an issue with favicon.png.

* when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply

it.

It's like if the last view feature was not working.

* the log in webtools is no longer colored

* it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order

view

HTH

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

I agree with Hans,

From: "Hans Bakker" <[hidden email]>

Hi David,

from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of

errors in

this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very

realistic.

after 5 minutes of testing:

1. search results in party: partyId not clickable

(error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)

2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,

wasn't

there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in

other

areas as svn log and ?

If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of

hotwax...

3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because

of

spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :

https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet

Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide

screen

to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current

size

screen used in the world (1024*768).

And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen

(1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the

Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about

having

a panel open at left, etc.

Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.

Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area

(BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others

also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary

applications", maybe 2 colors also ?

This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is

not

much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)

Yes thank you for that !

Jacques

Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the

next

level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.

Thank you!

Regards,

Hans

On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:

Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we

shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the

back-end.

The

old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a

theme

component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but

perhaps

doesn't give the best first impression.

Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the

bluelight

theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like

the

new

web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex

theme).

One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as

thoroughly

as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because

there are

issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and

we

should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own

testing

both

of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with

the

ecommerce one yet).

Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered

opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better

first

(and

a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion

goes).

BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen

before

the

release branch next Tuesday.

-David

--

Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]>
> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.

I will see that when I wil get a chance

Jacques

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: Ryan Foster

No, I don't hate footers ;).

The originally thinking was to give the backend look and feel a more "desktop" like feeling, where most of the information and
navigation is located in sidebars, file menus, tabs, etc.  Following that line of thinking, maybe we put a "help" link in the header
right next to preferences that drops down in a similar fashion to show copyright, link to apache, etc.  This would function exactly
the same way that the help link functions in apps like Firefox, Mac Mail, Outlook, Word, etc.  We could even put a simple keyword
search field in this section that searches docs.ofbiz.org.  See the screenshot below for an example:

Ryan Foster

___________________________________
Hi Ryan,

Yes great idea, I like it :o)

There are still issues related to font sizes, but clearly people not involved in previous UI developments (who have an exernal look)
prefer far more the new one (more easy to read they say). Even in the order view case which was a problem for me (is still but I
have to get used to I guess ;o).

BTW, I opened a Jira issue for the small issues I found in Confluence so far
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2298

Thanks

Jacques

[Ean Schuessler]

I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.

I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day.

----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.

--
Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
[hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Tim,

I fixed this at r765721 but for FF3. Please see my comment in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2303

About smoothfeather as the default theme : if we want to do that correctly we need to treat each theme equally. For the moment the
std theme is considered as "superior" to the other themes. It's not exactly what it should be : a default changeable easily from
scratch by a parameter. So we need to extract the std theme and to make it a theme like the others, and the default OOTB (so far). I
don't give all details but this means to have a new "std layout" theme under the /themes directory

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]>
>> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.
>
> I will see that when I wil get a chance
>
> Jacques
>

[Adrian Crum]

Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> So we need to extract the std theme and to make it a theme
> like the others, and the default OOTB (so far). I don't give all details
> but this means to have a new "std layout" theme under the /themes directory

I was thinking about that the other day. I'd like to see the current
default theme moved to the themes folder.

-Adrian

[David E Jones-3]

What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now....  
On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default,  
on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the  
site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response  
from prospects.

The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press  
release for this release branch and relatively more people will be  
downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages  
are klunky that initial response may be more important than the  
results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if  
desired).

Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread)  
in order to improve the first response...

Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than  
looking good for the first response, IMO: no.

-David


On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:

> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in  
> before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev  
> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>
> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up  
> and the customer response is night and day.
>
> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any  
>> issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
> [hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315

[Mike Bates-2]

+1


On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote:

>
> What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right  
> now.... On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best  
> default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent  
> with the site and such and like Ean says would result in a far  
> better response from prospects.
>
> The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press  
> release for this release branch and relatively more people will be  
> downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages  
> are klunky that initial response may be more important than the  
> results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too  
> if desired).
>
> Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this  
> thread) in order to improve the first response...
>
> Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than  
> looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>
>> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in  
>> before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev  
>> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>>
>> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up  
>> and the customer response is night and day.
>>
>> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching,  
>>> any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>>
>> --
>> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
>> [hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

I agree it would be great to have it for the release.
I agree also that there are no real blockers so far (except it's bad on IE and we should state that and explain to use a *real
modern*
browser)
I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if
someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch
Also, as I already said, I'd like to be able to i18n it after the freeze since else it would be a real handicap for non English
speaking people (users are really insisting on good localisation) : OFBIZ-2306

Could we agree with that ? If we don't we will really shoot ourself in the foot  (I don't see the point to have a clumsy UI for 2
years)

It's late and I'm exhausted, good night

Jacques


From: "Mike Bates" <[hidden email]>

> +1
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right  now.... On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the
>> best  default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent  with the site and such and like Ean says would result
>> in a far  better response from prospects.
>>
>> The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press  release for this release branch and relatively more people will
>> be  downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages  are klunky that initial response may be more important
>> than the  results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too  if desired).
>>
>> Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this  thread) in order to improve the first response...
>>
>> Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than  looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>
>>> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in  before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
>>> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>>>
>>> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up  and the customer response is night and day.
>>>
>>> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>>>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching,  any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
>>> [hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
>>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Ha! Also we should use OFBIZ-2309 and its incorporated issues to state clearly in the release "paper" that these are known bugs that
will be quickly resolved in the following days

I think this is a pretty good argument in the favor of what I ask for  ;o)

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

>I agree it would be great to have it for the release.
> I agree also that there are no real blockers so far (except it's bad on IE and we should state that and explain to use a *real
> modern*
> browser)
> I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if
> someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch
> Also, as I already said, I'd like to be able to i18n it after the freeze since else it would be a real handicap for non English
> speaking people (users are really insisting on good localisation) : OFBIZ-2306
>
> Could we agree with that ? If we don't we will really shoot ourself in the foot  (I don't see the point to have a clumsy UI for 2
> years)
>
> It's late and I'm exhausted, good night
>
> Jacques
>
>
> From: "Mike Bates" <[hidden email]>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right  now.... On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the
>>> best  default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent  with the site and such and like Ean says would result
>>> in a far  better response from prospects.
>>>
>>> The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press  release for this release branch and relatively more people will
>>> be  downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages  are klunky that initial response may be more important
>>> than the  results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too  if desired).
>>>
>>> Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this  thread) in order to improve the first response...
>>>
>>> Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than  looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in  before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
>>>> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up  and the customer response is night and day.
>>>>
>>>> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>>>>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching,  any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
>>>> [hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[porkiey]

+1


On 17/04/2009 06:57, "David Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote:



What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now....
On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default,
on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the
site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response
from prospects.

The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press
release for this release branch and relatively more people will be
downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages
are klunky that initial response may be more important than the
results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if
desired).

Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread)
in order to improve the first response...

Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than
looking good for the first response, IMO: no.

-David


On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:

> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in
> before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>
> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up
> and the customer response is night and day.
>
> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any
>> issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
> [hidden email] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315

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[Jacques Le Roux]

Forgot to say : done at r765726

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]>
>> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.
>
> I will see that when I wil get a chance
>
> Jacques
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>
> I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if
> someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch

Done at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2312

Jacques