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https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Documentare broken. Besides this, if (and when) subjects are to be removed the short descriptions of the subject should move to somewhere else. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]> wrote: > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 12:23 AM, [hidden email] > > Thanks Jacques! That looks much better. > > > > I agree with Pierre that we need to contact the people who expressed > > interest in the Roadmap items. I believe some of those items are > > finished (like VAT and Accounting) and some of the people are no longer > > active in the OFBiz community (like Si Chen). > > Clearly for Si, for VAT there is still something missing: the reporting > part (taxAuthorityVATReport request). I began long ago but did not finish > (I must have it pending somewhere, almost lost...) > > > From my perspective, keeping those items there indefinitely with no > > activity looks bad for the project. I understand we all had good > > intentions when we added ourselves to those items (myself included), but > > we need to be realistic and remove ourselves if we will not be able to > > do the work. > > Totally agree, not need to fossilize > > Jacques > > > > Adrian Crum > > Sandglass Software > > www.sandglass-software.com > > > > On 1/11/2014 5:40 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> Done, please double-check > >> > >> Jacques > >> > >> On Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:37 PM, [hidden email] > >>> In addition, I would like to see the completed items removed. > >>> > >>> Adrian Crum > >>> Sandglass Software > >>> www.sandglass-software.com > >>> > >>> On 1/5/2014 8:35 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >>>> As for the topics in the roadmap document referenced > >>>> (this< > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document > >) > >>>> here are my remarks: > >>>> > >>>> Please ask each individual directly whether they are still interested > in > >>>> the subject or are still willing to assist/champion enhancements. And > if > >>>> so, invite those to address the issues stated per component, update > the > >>>> short description of the topic and (if not already done) create and/or > >>>> update a specific topic page on the subject. > >>>> > >>>> I fear that a lot of persons stating interest and/or willingness on > the > >>>> page have moved on to other fields of interest. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Pierre Smits > >>>> > >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com > |
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Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to > consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document > > > I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : * Screen and Form widget enhancements * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets * UI (User Interface) enhancements We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) ). I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. Regards, Nicolas |
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Hi Nicolas,
That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. Jacques On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote > Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >> >> >> > I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : > * Screen and Form widget enhancements > * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets > * UI (User Interface) enhancements > > We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) ). > I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. > > Regards, > > Nicolas |
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Jacques,
I am willing to help on: Manufacturing improvement, especially regarding lifecycle mgt of recipes (BoM and production schema) and on in-situ adding materials, production resources and outputs of end and by-products (like we had the discussion about back in September last year). Expense Declaration (OFBIZ-5473<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5473> ) And on the ivy integration (OFBIZ-5464<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5464> ). Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Nicolas, > > That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all > persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. > > Jacques > > On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote > > Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : > >> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to > >> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: > >> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document > >> > >> > >> > > I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : > > * Screen and Form widget enhancements > > * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets > > * UI (User Interface) enhancements > > > > We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) > ). > > I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. > > > > Regards, > > > > Nicolas > |
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I assume you are referring to OFBIZ-5307 - Reverse/Inverted/Breeder Bill Of Materials? If so it's relevant for my needs as well so if I would be of any help I will likely to provide it. On 01/21/2014 05:08 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Jacques, > > I am willing to help on: > > Manufacturing improvement, especially regarding lifecycle mgt of recipes > (BoM and production schema) and on in-situ adding materials, production > resources and outputs of end and by-products (like we had the discussion > about back in September last year). > > Expense Declaration > (OFBIZ-5473<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5473> > ) > > And on the ivy integration > (OFBIZ-5464<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5464> > ). > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi Nicolas, >> >> That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all >> persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. >> >> Jacques >> >> On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote >>> Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >>>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >>>> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>>> >>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >>>> >>>> >>> I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : >>> * Screen and Form widget enhancements >>> * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets >>> * UI (User Interface) enhancements >>> >>> We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) >> ). >>> I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Nicolas |
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Christian, all,
Actually, the original intent of OFBIZ-5307<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5307> is covered in current functionality. But yes, the ' in-situ adding materials, production resources and outputs of end and by-products' aspects regarding my help with the Manufacturing component align to my comments made in that issue. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Christian Carlow < [hidden email]> wrote: > Pierre, > > I assume you are referring to OFBIZ-5307 - Reverse/Inverted/Breeder Bill > Of Materials? > > If so it's relevant for my needs as well so if I would be of any help I > will likely to provide it. > > > On 01/21/2014 05:08 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Jacques, >> >> I am willing to help on: >> >> Manufacturing improvement, especially regarding lifecycle mgt of recipes >> (BoM and production schema) and on in-situ adding materials, production >> resources and outputs of end and by-products (like we had the discussion >> about back in September last year). >> >> Expense Declaration >> (OFBIZ-5473<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5473> >> >> ) >> >> And on the ivy integration >> (OFBIZ-5464<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5464> >> >> ). >> >> Regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi Nicolas, >>> >>> That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all >>> persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote >>> >>>> Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >>>>> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >>> New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : >>>> * Screen and Form widget enhancements >>>> * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets >>>> * UI (User Interface) enhancements >>>> >>>> We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) >>>> >>> ). >>> >>>> I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Nicolas >>>> >>> > |
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Thanks for bringing up the issue. I had forgotten that one.
Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>wrote: > Christian, all, > > Actually, the original intent of OFBIZ-5307<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5307> is > covered in current functionality. But yes, the ' in-situ adding > materials, production resources and outputs of end and by-products' aspects > regarding my help with the Manufacturing component align to my comments > made in that issue. > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Christian Carlow < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Pierre, >> >> I assume you are referring to OFBIZ-5307 - Reverse/Inverted/Breeder Bill >> Of Materials? >> >> If so it's relevant for my needs as well so if I would be of any help I >> will likely to provide it. >> >> >> On 01/21/2014 05:08 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>> Jacques, >>> >>> I am willing to help on: >>> >>> Manufacturing improvement, especially regarding lifecycle mgt of recipes >>> (BoM and production schema) and on in-situ adding materials, production >>> resources and outputs of end and by-products (like we had the discussion >>> about back in September last year). >>> >>> Expense Declaration >>> (OFBIZ-5473<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5473> >>> >>> ) >>> >>> And on the ivy integration >>> (OFBIZ-5464<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5464> >>> >>> ). >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Pierre Smits >>> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>> Services and Retail & Trade >>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nicolas, >>>> >>>> That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all >>>> persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] >>>> >>>>> Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >>>>>> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >>>> New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : >>>>> * Screen and Form widget enhancements >>>>> * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets >>>>> * UI (User Interface) enhancements >>>>> >>>>> We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>> ). >>>> >>>>> I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Nicolas >>>>> >>>> >> > |
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Hi All,
I send a copy to all persons who have expressed the *will to help* on this page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document Please confirm you still want to do so, and if we should keep those entries open, what are their status, etc. In other words, please help to keep this page up to date, before we get to a new step Without answers for specific sections, I will simply remove them. For instance I confirm the VAT support is not complete. I have a draft for reports I never completed (not a high priority for now) but would want to commit one day, so I don't close this entry. Also I still want to improve SFA, but I must day it depends on clients request I will cross... or not... Still I prefer to not close. Are the followintg entries not completed? * Implement Asset management application * Implement Project Management Application * Complete the implementation of the Accounting component Should we keep? * Improve the Content Management Component Should we not add a reference to the JackRabbit branch? Sascha put respectable efforts in it... I will continue, when I will have some time, to prune the "UI (User Interface) enhancements" section... Like Pierre suggested, rather than to have new dicussions on dev ML where consensus and goals are sometimes lost in time afterward, this could be a good place to build an up to date roadmap which OFBiz really lacks. It would be excellent if we could put dates in regard to goals, even if they are not reached, then we will update... This does not mean that we should not have dicussions in dev ML, but that the status and goals should be updated on this page. Let me knonw if you think it's realistic for OFBiz to have a roadmap, and it this page fits for a start. Thanks Jacques On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:16 PM, [hidden email] wrote > Thanks for bringing up the issue. I had forgotten that one. > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> Christian, all, >> >> Actually, the original intent of OFBIZ-5307<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5307> is >> covered in current functionality. But yes, the ' in-situ adding >> materials, production resources and outputs of end and by-products' aspects >> regarding my help with the Manufacturing component align to my comments >> made in that issue. >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Christian Carlow < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Pierre, >>> >>> I assume you are referring to OFBIZ-5307 - Reverse/Inverted/Breeder Bill >>> Of Materials? >>> >>> If so it's relevant for my needs as well so if I would be of any help I >>> will likely to provide it. >>> >>> >>> On 01/21/2014 05:08 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>> >>>> Jacques, >>>> >>>> I am willing to help on: >>>> >>>> Manufacturing improvement, especially regarding lifecycle mgt of recipes >>>> (BoM and production schema) and on in-situ adding materials, production >>>> resources and outputs of end and by-products (like we had the discussion >>>> about back in September last year). >>>> >>>> Expense Declaration >>>> (OFBIZ-5473<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5473> >>>> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> And on the ivy integration >>>> (OFBIZ-5464<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5464> >>>> >>>> ). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Nicolas, >>>>> >>>>> That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all >>>>> persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>>> Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >>>>>>> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >>>>> New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : >>>>>> * Screen and Form widget enhancements >>>>>> * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets >>>>>> * UI (User Interface) enhancements >>>>>> >>>>>> We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> >>>>> ). >>>>> >>>>>> I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Nicolas |
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Hi Jacques,
personally I think that the clean-up and reimplementation of HTML&Supprt-Macros is the biggest challenge for 2014 (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5040). You can write me on the list of supporters for that task. Regards, Paul |
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Hi Paul,
I totally agree for the priority You are in: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document Jacques On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:30 AM, [hidden email] wrote > Hi Jacques, > > personally I think that the clean-up and reimplementation of > HTML&Supprt-Macros is the biggest challenge for 2014 > (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5040). You can write me on the > list of supporters for that task. > > Regards, > Paul |
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Hi Nicolas,
You are in: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document Jacques On Monday, January 20, 2014 10:03 PM, [hidden email] wrote > Hi Nicolas, > > That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all persons who registered on this page to clean the status > of each entry. > > Jacques > > On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote >> Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >>> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >>> >>> >>> >> I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : >> * Screen and Form widget enhancements >> * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets >> * UI (User Interface) enhancements >> >> We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) ). >> I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. >> >> Regards, >> >> Nicolas |
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Hi Pierre,
You are in: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document Jacques On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:08 AM, [hidden email] wrote > Jacques, > > I am willing to help on: > > Manufacturing improvement, especially regarding lifecycle mgt of recipes > (BoM and production schema) and on in-situ adding materials, production > resources and outputs of end and by-products (like we had the discussion > about back in September last year). > > Expense Declaration > (OFBIZ-5473<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5473> > ) > > And on the ivy integration > (OFBIZ-5464<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5464> > ). > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi Nicolas, >> >> That's a good news. I will soon follow Pierre's suggestion to email all >> persons who registered on this page to clean the status of each entry. >> >> Jacques >> >> On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote >>> Le 31/12/2013 13:55, Adrian Crum a écrit : >>>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to >>>> consider the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>>> >>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I'm interested to help some commiter on subject as : >>> * Screen and Form widget enhancements >>> * Complete the migration of older bsh/ftl files to widgets >>> * UI (User Interface) enhancements >>> >>> We have some good feedback on UI (and some error that I prefer escape ;) ). >>> I planned between 2 and 4 hours per week to works only on OFBiz. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Nicolas |
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Ean should I create a specific section for this feature (please name it), and would you be interested to help?
Jacques On Monday, January 06, 2014 7:09 PM, [hidden email] wrote > I agree that we should migrate FTL templates to ofbiz widgets for the sake > of consistency throughout the interfaces. However, I do have to say that > I would not use form widgets to develop a customer facing site. At this > point, Brainfood is pretty much at a consensus that we do not want to do > "page template" oriented development in the server at all. When you look at > applications like Google Maps it becomes clear that the "send post, alter > state, regenerate and send page" workflow is incredibly limited. The future > seems to look a lot more like applications written in Javascript that > generate HTML directly in the browser. > > So, for us, the important feature is the JSON-RPC interface for this remote > applications. It would be genuinely interesting if we could write a client > side form widget interpreter that would delegate generation of the interface > to the client side and then supply the "action" interface via AJAX. That is > something we would be very interested in. > > Refactoring the widget generation code to support greater modularity in the HTML > could be another target of such an effort. I made some modest efforts towards > a Bootstrap based OFBiz theme and I found it difficult to make progress with the > current setup. > > ----- "Gavin Mabie" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> It appears that the citing of Drupal/WordPress/Magento solicited quite >> a >> lot of comment. It's a side issue really and whether some houses >> prefer to >> integrate existing solutions is besides the point. More importantly, >> most >> commentators would agree that theme developement in Ofbiz does require >> more >> attention. The vast majority of threads on this ML focuss on backend >> business rules and processes. That in itself is not a problem - if >> you >> regard Ofbiz as a Framework only. It only means that, as far as >> frameworks >> go, we need a better framework for theming as well. This will >> encourage >> more participation from developers who have more of a front-end >> orientation. I would support a drive towards better "themeability" >> in >> 2014. In this regard I would like to suggest that we take a look at >> the >> VisualThemeResource entity which currently is currently poorly >> defined. >> >> Gavin |
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Ean,
Maybe 2 sections, if you would want to extend your effort with Boostrap? The idea is to gather work force, you should not be alone. Jonatan for instance also expressed an interest about this feature http://markmail.org/message/i7fnxid55cq5uiiz Adrian suggested that an external framework would not be necessary but it seems he spoke only about ecommerce I think we should think also (only for now?) about backend Jonatan, I added you at the section Theme framework (Bootstrap, Zurb, etc.) integration (for both back and frontend) Jacques On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:26 PM, [hidden email] wrote > Ean should I create a specific section for this feature (please name it), and would you be interested to help? > > Jacques > > On Monday, January 06, 2014 7:09 PM, [hidden email] wrote >> I agree that we should migrate FTL templates to ofbiz widgets for the sake >> of consistency throughout the interfaces. However, I do have to say that >> I would not use form widgets to develop a customer facing site. At this >> point, Brainfood is pretty much at a consensus that we do not want to do >> "page template" oriented development in the server at all. When you look at >> applications like Google Maps it becomes clear that the "send post, alter >> state, regenerate and send page" workflow is incredibly limited. The future >> seems to look a lot more like applications written in Javascript that >> generate HTML directly in the browser. >> >> So, for us, the important feature is the JSON-RPC interface for this remote >> applications. It would be genuinely interesting if we could write a client >> side form widget interpreter that would delegate generation of the interface >> to the client side and then supply the "action" interface via AJAX. That is >> something we would be very interested in. >> >> Refactoring the widget generation code to support greater modularity in the HTML >> could be another target of such an effort. I made some modest efforts towards >> a Bootstrap based OFBiz theme and I found it difficult to make progress with the >> current setup. >> >> ----- "Gavin Mabie" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> It appears that the citing of Drupal/WordPress/Magento solicited quite >>> a >>> lot of comment. It's a side issue really and whether some houses >>> prefer to >>> integrate existing solutions is besides the point. More importantly, >>> most >>> commentators would agree that theme developement in Ofbiz does require >>> more >>> attention. The vast majority of threads on this ML focuss on backend >>> business rules and processes. That in itself is not a problem - if >>> you >>> regard Ofbiz as a Framework only. It only means that, as far as >>> frameworks >>> go, we need a better framework for theming as well. This will >>> encourage >>> more participation from developers who have more of a front-end >>> orientation. I would support a drive towards better "themeability" >>> in >>> 2014. In this regard I would like to suggest that we take a look at >>> the >>> VisualThemeResource entity which currently is currently poorly >>> defined. >>> >>> Gavin |
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Gavin I added you in the related section
Jacques On Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:28 PM, [hidden email] wrote > Hi Guys > > Best wishes to everybody for 2014. I would like to support the > prioritisation of theme development for 2014. Jacques, I noticed that you > are specifically talking about backend widget > forms. What about ecommerce? IMO that little attention is given to > frontend design and even less is done to accommodate design-orientated > developers. Theme developement in Ofbiz has a long way to go if it is to > reach the levels of standardisation, ease and portability attained and used > in CMS apps like Drupal, WordPress etc. and Ecommerce packages like > Magento. Keep up the good work. > > Gavin > > > On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> To be pragmatic, rather than working on new features, a new framework or >> whatever, I'd like to work on "Widget & Application HTML clean-up" >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5040 >> >> I have heard much complaints about this and I'd really like to 1st replace >> as much as possible the Freemarker templates used in backend by widget >> forms. >> >> I know already some cases where it's impossible, like the geo location. >> But in most cases this should be possible and would much facilitate >> designers work, when themes or such are needed. >> Because we would then have a consistent HTML generation. >> And in most cases even a better (consistent) UI, compare the old Price >> Rules and Promotions for instance >> (still available at >> >> https://demo-old.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/EditProductPriceRules?productPriceRuleId=9000 >> >> https://demo-old.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/EditProductPromoRules?productPromoId=9000 >> ) >> >> Because it contained a new FTL template, I recently refused to commit a >> working patch for "Improve to allow purchase order ship method options" >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5387 >> >> >> I though must say that I still want to finish pending new features >> (actually 2 new specialpurpose components) >> >> 1) I expect to merge the seo branch soon >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5312. >> I only see minor issues now, and anyway at some point you need to have >> your feet wet... >> >> 2) And to finish the Solr integration >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042. >> I sill have to figure out how bad is the security issue. In a first step >> adding a credential acces to the the Solr admin should be enough. But yes >> underneath is not totally secured as is... >> >> Jacques >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:55 PM [hidden email] >>> Maybe we can use the start of the new year as an opportunity to consider >>> the future of OFBiz and update our road map: >>> >>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document |
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Yes. I do have interest in the UI approach. You might just call it
"client UI refactoring". ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Ean should I create a specific section for this feature (please name > it), and would you be interested to help? -- Ean Schuessler, CTO [hidden email] 214-720-0700 x 315 Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com |
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I can help refit the existing widget templates. However, As I said in my message,
we are much less focused on server side generation these days. It may be interesting to approach this as a "bridge" where we begin to layer dynamic AJAX functionality more aggressively onto the existing widgets. ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Maybe 2 sections, if you would want to extend your effort with > Boostrap? > The idea is to gather work force, you should not be alone. Jonatan for > instance also expressed an interest about this feature > http://markmail.org/message/i7fnxid55cq5uiiz > Adrian suggested that an external framework would not be necessary but > it seems he spoke only about ecommerce > I think we should think also (only for now?) about backend -- Ean Schuessler, CTO [hidden email] 214-720-0700 x 315 Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com |
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I like this idea and I have been working for a while for the front end
e-commerce sites. We have been using custom themes based on Bootstrap and backbone.js and AngularJS. You can see this in action at http://www.thecharmworks.com/. For the back office application, I would like to see all services exposed as RESTful web services and client side UI using a MVC framework such as AngularJS with responsive CSS framework such as Bootstrap. Client side UI will mainly use the Ajax requests and AngularJS MVC takes care of updating the UI. Thanks, Raj On Monday, January 06, 2014 7:09 PM, [hidden email] wrote >> I agree that we should migrate FTL templates to ofbiz widgets for the sake >> of consistency throughout the interfaces. However, I do have to say that >> I would not use form widgets to develop a customer facing site. At this >> point, Brainfood is pretty much at a consensus that we do not want to do >> "page template" oriented development in the server at all. When you look at >> applications like Google Maps it becomes clear that the "send post, alter >> state, regenerate and send page" workflow is incredibly limited. The future >> seems to look a lot more like applications written in Javascript that >> generate HTML directly in the browser. >> >> So, for us, the important feature is the JSON-RPC interface for this remote >> applications. It would be genuinely interesting if we could write a client >> side form widget interpreter that would delegate generation of the interface >> to the client side and then supply the "action" interface via AJAX. That is >> something we would be very interested in. >> >> Refactoring the widget generation code to support greater modularity in the HTML >> could be another target of such an effort. I made some modest efforts towards >> a Bootstrap based OFBiz theme and I found it difficult to make progress with the >> current setup. >> >> ----- "Gavin Mabie" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> It appears that the citing of Drupal/WordPress/Magento solicited quite >>> a >>> lot of comment. It's a side issue really and whether some houses >>> prefer to >>> integrate existing solutions is besides the point. More importantly, >>> most >>> commentators would agree that theme developement in Ofbiz does require >>> more >>> attention. The vast majority of threads on this ML focuss on backend >>> business rules and processes. That in itself is not a problem - if >>> you >>> regard Ofbiz as a Framework only. It only means that, as far as >>> frameworks >>> go, we need a better framework for theming as well. This will >>> encourage >>> more participation from developers who have more of a front-end >>> orientation. I would support a drive towards better "themeability" >>> in >>> 2014. In this regard I would like to suggest that we take a look at >>> the >>> VisualThemeResource entity which currently is currently poorly >>> defined. >>> >>> Gavin |
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Thanks Raj,
I added your propostion in the section Services exposed as RESTful web services Jacques On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:29 AM, [hidden email] wrote > I like this idea and I have been working for a while for the front end > e-commerce sites. We have been using custom themes based on Bootstrap > and backbone.js and AngularJS. You can see this in action at > http://www.thecharmworks.com/. > > For the back office application, I would like to see all services > exposed as RESTful web services and client side UI using a MVC framework > such as AngularJS with responsive CSS framework such as Bootstrap. > Client side UI will mainly use the Ajax requests and AngularJS MVC takes > care of updating the UI. > > Thanks, > > Raj > > > On Monday, January 06, 2014 7:09 PM, [hidden email] wrote >>> I agree that we should migrate FTL templates to ofbiz widgets for the sake >>> of consistency throughout the interfaces. However, I do have to say that >>> I would not use form widgets to develop a customer facing site. At this >>> point, Brainfood is pretty much at a consensus that we do not want to do >>> "page template" oriented development in the server at all. When you look at >>> applications like Google Maps it becomes clear that the "send post, alter >>> state, regenerate and send page" workflow is incredibly limited. The future >>> seems to look a lot more like applications written in Javascript that >>> generate HTML directly in the browser. >>> >>> So, for us, the important feature is the JSON-RPC interface for this remote >>> applications. It would be genuinely interesting if we could write a client >>> side form widget interpreter that would delegate generation of the interface >>> to the client side and then supply the "action" interface via AJAX. That is >>> something we would be very interested in. >>> >>> Refactoring the widget generation code to support greater modularity in the HTML >>> could be another target of such an effort. I made some modest efforts towards >>> a Bootstrap based OFBiz theme and I found it difficult to make progress with the >>> current setup. >>> >>> ----- "Gavin Mabie" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> It appears that the citing of Drupal/WordPress/Magento solicited quite >>>> a >>>> lot of comment. It's a side issue really and whether some houses >>>> prefer to >>>> integrate existing solutions is besides the point. More importantly, >>>> most >>>> commentators would agree that theme developement in Ofbiz does require >>>> more >>>> attention. The vast majority of threads on this ML focuss on backend >>>> business rules and processes. That in itself is not a problem - if >>>> you >>>> regard Ofbiz as a Framework only. It only means that, as far as >>>> frameworks >>>> go, we need a better framework for theming as well. This will >>>> encourage >>>> more participation from developers who have more of a front-end >>>> orientation. I would support a drive towards better "themeability" >>>> in >>>> 2014. In this regard I would like to suggest that we take a look at >>>> the >>>> VisualThemeResource entity which currently is currently poorly >>>> defined. >>>> >>>> Gavin |
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Ean,
Your are in for 2 new sections: Client UI refactoring & Introduce Websocket usage and as interested by Theme framework (Bootstrap, Zurb, etc.) integration (for both back and frontend) See: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document Jacques On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:42 AM, [hidden email] wrote > I can help refit the existing widget templates. However, As I said in my message, > we are much less focused on server side generation these days. It may be > interesting to approach this as a "bridge" where we begin to layer dynamic AJAX > functionality more aggressively onto the existing widgets. > > ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Maybe 2 sections, if you would want to extend your effort with >> Boostrap? >> The idea is to gather work force, you should not be alone. Jonatan for >> instance also expressed an interest about this feature >> http://markmail.org/message/i7fnxid55cq5uiiz >> Adrian suggested that an external framework would not be necessary but >> it seems he spoke only about ecommerce >> I think we should think also (only for now?) about backend |
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