OFBiz/opentaps as a small business accounting package?

[Andrew Ballantine]

Hi,
Thanks for your observations, but I don't really understand how you expect
me to fix it.
I regret that none of your comments are any help as the example page is not
editable.

I also note that even the sandbox page is slightly wider than the browser
window resulting in a horizontal slider at the bottom of the screen. Poor
HTML design again.

I use a 1024 x 768 screen which is quite enough on a standard 17" screen.

I must also say that this new wiki is not particularly user friendly. Yes,
one can get used to it, but there is plenty of wiki software out there that
is intuitive. Hey Ho, I'll struggle on, but all these hurdles are
depressing.

Everyone seems so defensive on this project I am finding it is difficult to
contribute as I am getting to the point where I am not sure I dare to
comment for fear of another lashing or negative response.


Kind regards,

Andrew Ballantine
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:[hidden email]]
  Sent: 24 January 2007 14:30
  To: [hidden email]
  Subject: Re: Wiki issue


  I think the biggest reason that I would see is that some things wrap and
are fine contextually - much of the time . . . command lines do not fall
into this category.  My recommendation on this one would be to get a shorter
example, but wrapping can be a good way to go for sure.


  Cheers,
  Tim

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  HotWax Media
  http://www.hotwaxmedia.com


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  On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Andrew Sykes wrote:


    Andrew, Tim,


    The diff line definitely seems to be the problem, perhaps it would be a
    good idea to have a best practise somewhere that asked for verbatim
    lines to be split when they were in danger of causing this kind of
    formatting problem, I see it too, and it definitely isn't too
    pretty! :-)


    e.g.
    $ start of line
    ~\ continuation
    ~\ even more...


    Is there any reason not to do this?


    - Andrew




    On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 07:01 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:
      Andrew, I'm guessing hte problem that you're having with this is
      caused by two things:




      1. You have quite a small viewable space in your browser
      2. the svn diff of ShipmentServices is a bit wider than you have going
      on.




      #1 we can't help you with :) - #2 is probably something more in the
      way Confluence handles verbatim text.  In this particulart case, we
      would have a few options:




      1. Make the example path shorter
      2. See where & why Confluence handles these this way.




      I'm guessing that it's easier to do #1, but maybe someone know why
      verbatim-esque things are handle this way.  I checked a bunch of other
      wiki formats and they ALL pretty much handle them in a similar manner
      because it's just following what the user asked - to display something
      exactly the way that they see it.




      Anyways, I hope this helps explain the mystery.




      Cheers,
      Tim
      --
      Tim Ruppert
      HotWax Media
      http://www.hotwaxmedia.com




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      On Jan 24, 2007, at 4:37 AM, Andrew Ballantine wrote:


        Hi,




        I have noticed that quite a few of the wiki pages extend wider than
        the
        browser page.




        Is it not possible to set the wiki HTML so that it always
        proportions the
        content to the current size of the window?




        The reason for the request is that it quite difficult to read a long
        document with having to constantly shift the window from side to
        side.




        An example of this is:
        http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best
        +Practices




        I am using Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Windows2000 if that makes any
        difference.
        Internet V6 does the same.




        Kind regards,




        Andrew Ballantine.
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[Tim Ruppert]

Andrew, I don't see how any of these responses to your Wiki message could have been viewed as anything but helpful?  Please explain when you get a chance.

As for editing it, I believe this is just one of those very few pages that has restrictions as to who can edit it because it contains VERY important information that they don't want to risk being modified by spammers, etc.

My recommendations would be the following:

1. Up your resolution.  My 15" laptop browser has a resolution of 1440x900

2. Try Jacques suggestion and make your font size smaller in your window

3. Submit a JIRA issue asking for the example to be changed.

4. any others

Cheers,

Tim

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HotWax Media

http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

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On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Ballantine wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your observations, but I don't really understand how you expect

me to fix it.

I regret that none of your comments are any help as the example page is not

editable.

I also note that even the sandbox page is slightly wider than the browser

window resulting in a horizontal slider at the bottom of the screen. Poor

HTML design again.

I use a 1024 x 768 screen which is quite enough on a standard 17" screen.

I must also say that this new wiki is not particularly user friendly. Yes,

one can get used to it, but there is plenty of wiki software out there that

is intuitive. Hey Ho, I'll struggle on, but all these hurdles are

depressing.

Everyone seems so defensive on this project I am finding it is difficult to

contribute as I am getting to the point where I am not sure I dare to

comment for fear of another lashing or negative response.

Kind regards,

Andrew Ballantine

  -----Original Message-----

  From: Tim Ruppert [[hidden email]]

  Sent: 24 January 2007 14:30

  To: [hidden email]

  Subject: Re: Wiki issue

  I think the biggest reason that I would see is that some things wrap and

are fine contextually - much of the time . . . command lines do not fall

into this category.  My recommendation on this one would be to get a shorter

example, but wrapping can be a good way to go for sure.

  Cheers,

  Tim

  --

  Tim Ruppert

  HotWax Media

  http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

  o:801.649.6594

  f:801.649.6595

  On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Andrew Sykes wrote:

    Andrew, Tim,

    The diff line definitely seems to be the problem, perhaps it would be a

    good idea to have a best practise somewhere that asked for verbatim

    lines to be split when they were in danger of causing this kind of

    formatting problem, I see it too, and it definitely isn't too

    pretty! :-)

    e.g.

    $ start of line

    ~\ continuation

    ~\ even more...

    Is there any reason not to do this?

    - Andrew

    On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 07:01 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:

      Andrew, I'm guessing hte problem that you're having with this is

      caused by two things:

      1. You have quite a small viewable space in your browser

      2. the svn diff of ShipmentServices is a bit wider than you have going

      on.

      #1 we can't help you with :) - #2 is probably something more in the

      way Confluence handles verbatim text.  In this particulart case, we

      would have a few options:

      1. Make the example path shorter

      2. See where & why Confluence handles these this way.

      I'm guessing that it's easier to do #1, but maybe someone know why

      verbatim-esque things are handle this way.  I checked a bunch of other

      wiki formats and they ALL pretty much handle them in a similar manner

      because it's just following what the user asked - to display something

      exactly the way that they see it.

      Anyways, I hope this helps explain the mystery.

      Cheers,

      Tim

      --

      Tim Ruppert

      HotWax Media

      http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

      o:801.649.6594

      f:801.649.6595

      On Jan 24, 2007, at 4:37 AM, Andrew Ballantine wrote:

        Hi,

        I have noticed that quite a few of the wiki pages extend wider than

        the

        browser page.

        Is it not possible to set the wiki HTML so that it always

        proportions the

        content to the current size of the window?

        The reason for the request is that it quite difficult to read a long

        document with having to constantly shift the window from side to

        side.

        An example of this is:

        http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best

        +Practices

        I am using Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Windows2000 if that makes any

        difference.

        Internet V6 does the same.

        Kind regards,

        Andrew Ballantine.

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[Jacques Le Roux]

Andrew,

From: "Andrew Ballantine" <[hidden email]>
> Hi,
> Thanks for your observations, but I don't really understand how you expect
> me to fix it.
> I regret that none of your comments are any help as the example page is not
> editable.

Did you try them ?

> I also note that even the sandbox page is slightly wider than the browser
> window resulting in a horizontal slider at the bottom of the screen. Poor
> HTML design again.

A way to help to resolve this problem would be to explain the problem to Attlassian (Confluence editor). This link might help
http://confluence.atlassian.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=12

> I use a 1024 x 768 screen which is quite enough on a standard 17" screen.
>
> I must also say that this new wiki is not particularly user friendly. Yes,
> one can get used to it, but there is plenty of wiki software out there that
> is intuitive. Hey Ho, I'll struggle on, but all these hurdles are
> depressing.

Do you know one that allow to set permissions by document ? This one of the main reason of Conflucence choice. You may find more in
Nabble : http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?local=y&forum=2740&query=Confluence

> Everyone seems so defensive on this project I am finding it is difficult to
> contribute as I am getting to the point where I am not sure I dare to
> comment for fear of another lashing or negative response.

Don't be shy ;o) We are here to help ! If nobody was never complaining that would not be anymore democracy.

Jacques

>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrew Ballantine
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:[hidden email]]
>   Sent: 24 January 2007 14:30
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Subject: Re: Wiki issue
>
>
>   I think the biggest reason that I would see is that some things wrap and
> are fine contextually - much of the time . . . command lines do not fall
> into this category.  My recommendation on this one would be to get a shorter
> example, but wrapping can be a good way to go for sure.
>
>
>   Cheers,
>   Tim
>
>   --
>   Tim Ruppert
>   HotWax Media
>   http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
>   o:801.649.6594
>   f:801.649.6595
>
>
>
>
>   On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Andrew Sykes wrote:
>
>
>     Andrew, Tim,
>
>
>     The diff line definitely seems to be the problem, perhaps it would be a
>     good idea to have a best practise somewhere that asked for verbatim
>     lines to be split when they were in danger of causing this kind of
>     formatting problem, I see it too, and it definitely isn't too
>     pretty! :-)
>
>
>     e.g.
>     $ start of line
>     ~\ continuation
>     ~\ even more...
>
>
>     Is there any reason not to do this?
>
>
>     - Andrew
>
>
>
>
>     On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 07:01 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>       Andrew, I'm guessing hte problem that you're having with this is
>       caused by two things:
>
>
>
>
>       1. You have quite a small viewable space in your browser
>       2. the svn diff of ShipmentServices is a bit wider than you have going
>       on.
>
>
>
>
>       #1 we can't help you with :) - #2 is probably something more in the
>       way Confluence handles verbatim text.  In this particulart case, we
>       would have a few options:
>
>
>
>
>       1. Make the example path shorter
>       2. See where & why Confluence handles these this way.
>
>
>
>
>       I'm guessing that it's easier to do #1, but maybe someone know why
>       verbatim-esque things are handle this way.  I checked a bunch of other
>       wiki formats and they ALL pretty much handle them in a similar manner
>       because it's just following what the user asked - to display something
>       exactly the way that they see it.
>
>
>
>
>       Anyways, I hope this helps explain the mystery.
>
>
>
>
>       Cheers,
>       Tim
>       --
>       Tim Ruppert
>       HotWax Media
>       http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
>
>
>       o:801.649.6594
>       f:801.649.6595
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 24, 2007, at 4:37 AM, Andrew Ballantine wrote:
>
>
>         Hi,
>
>
>
>
>         I have noticed that quite a few of the wiki pages extend wider than
>         the
>         browser page.
>
>
>
>
>         Is it not possible to set the wiki HTML so that it always
>         proportions the
>         content to the current size of the window?
>
>
>
>
>         The reason for the request is that it quite difficult to read a long
>         document with having to constantly shift the window from side to
>         side.
>
>
>
>
>         An example of this is:
>         http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best
>         +Practices
>
>
>
>
>         I am using Firefox 2.0.0.1 on Windows2000 if that makes any
>         difference.
>         Internet V6 does the same.
>
>
>
>
>         Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>         Andrew Ballantine.
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[Andrew Ballantine]

Tim,

>Andrew, I don't see how any of these responses to your Wiki message could
> have been viewed as anything but helpful?  Please explain when you get a
>chance.

I read your response as a diagnosis which I didn't fully understand and am
not in a position to implement because the page is read only. So I cannot
fix the problem on that page at the wiki level.

>As for editing it, I believe this is just one of those very few pages that
>has restrictions as to who can edit it because it contains VERY important
>information that they don't want to risk being modified by spammers, etc.

Agreed. However the problem is with Confluence. The rendering of the page is
down to their software. I am simply the poor mug who is reporting a User
Interface problem that makes it difficult for me and, presumably, others to
read this VERY important information.

>My recommendations would be the following:


>1. Up your resolution.  My 15" laptop browser has a resolution of 1440x900

My maximum resolution is 1024 x 768

>2. Try Jacques suggestion and make your font size smaller in your window

I can just about read it at that size, but it will cause eye stain and is
just a workaround. The width of the browser display should not grow when the
text size is changed. As I said HTML problem that only Confluence can fix.

>3. Submit a JIRA issue asking for the example to be changed.

Will do, but I get the feeling nothing will get done.

>4. any others

Not sure what you mean by 4.

Kind regards,

Andrew Ballantine.


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