Ofbiz vs Magento

[Antony Adopo]

Hello Ofbizers,

I have a serious problem (sorry if this subject is not appropriate for this
ML, if not, please give me the good link or ML for this)

My boss learnt about Magento and try to get turn me toward magento. But I
don't Want.
please How to convince him that ofbiz is better than Magento?

thanks

[Adrian Crum-3]

Magento would make an excellent eCommerce front end for OFBiz. So, from
my perspective it is not a matter of choosing one or the other - it is a
matter of combining the strengths of both.

Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com

On 10/19/2013 6:38 AM, Antony Adopo wrote:

> Hello Ofbizers,
>
> I have a serious problem (sorry if this subject is not appropriate for this
> ML, if not, please give me the good link or ML for this)
>
> My boss learnt about Magento and try to get turn me toward magento. But I
> don't Want.
> please How to convince him that ofbiz is better than Magento?
>
> thanks
>

[Antony Adopo]

Hum, but I think that combining will be a little bit....complicated


2013/10/19 Adrian Crum <[hidden email]>

> Magento would make an excellent eCommerce front end for OFBiz. So, from my
> perspective it is not a matter of choosing one or the other - it is a
> matter of combining the strengths of both.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
>
> On 10/19/2013 6:38 AM, Antony Adopo wrote:
>
>> Hello Ofbizers,
>>
>> I have a serious problem (sorry if this subject is not appropriate for
>> this
>> ML, if not, please give me the good link or ML for this)
>>
>> My boss learnt about Magento and try to get turn me toward magento. But I
>> don't Want.
>> please How to convince him that ofbiz is better than Magento?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>

[taher]

Hi Antony,

Your boss could actually be right depending on the purpose of the move. Is
it mostly to display content, business logic, database access? Is it mostly
for developers or end users? What is the time constraint? Basically, I am
trying to say that what you want hugely affects such decisions as OFBiz and
magento exist for completely different purposes.

Taher
On 19 Oct 2013 16:39, "Antony Adopo" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Ofbizers,
>
> I have a serious problem (sorry if this subject is not appropriate for this
> ML, if not, please give me the good link or ML for this)
>
> My boss learnt about Magento and try to get turn me toward magento. But I
> don't Want.
> please How to convince him that ofbiz is better than Magento?
>
> thanks
>

[Antony Adopo]

For users customers first. but we have to be able to personnalize a
maximum. about our different shops on different places. and i'm not good at
php


2013/10/19 Taher Alkhateeb <[hidden email]>

> Hi Antony,
>
> Your boss could actually be right depending on the purpose of the move. Is
> it mostly to display content, business logic, database access? Is it mostly
> for developers or end users? What is the time constraint? Basically, I am
> trying to say that what you want hugely affects such decisions as OFBiz and
> magento exist for completely different purposes.
>
> Taher
> On 19 Oct 2013 16:39, "Antony Adopo" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hello Ofbizers,
> >
> > I have a serious problem (sorry if this subject is not appropriate for
> this
> > ML, if not, please give me the good link or ML for this)
> >
> > My boss learnt about Magento and try to get turn me toward magento. But I
> > don't Want.
> > please How to convince him that ofbiz is better than Magento?
> >
> > thanks
> >
>

[Paul Piper]

I would second the opinion that it absolutely depends on the purpose and more importantly the size of the company. If the goal is to get an ecommerce store up and running quickly magento is currently the better choice, as it is easier to find proper themes for it. So if you have a limited budget and are fine with the features magento offers, go for it.

But that is where the benefits end. Having implemented several stores with both magento or OFBizi must say that feature-wise OFBiz is superior. At least once you replace the html and trim it down (as we did with www.syracus.net). Magento hasn't been updated in recent years - in fact, people are still waiting for version 2.0 to come out. If you actually do the switch you will find that Magento is actually pretty buggy (give the product csv import a go and you will see what i mean) and it isn't necessarily more comfortable to deal with once set up. There is a SAAS based version of Magento available, which isn't to expensive to use - if you want to give it a try, I'd suggest to look at it there, and you'll see what i mean when I say "buggy". On top, it is a php based software, so "combining" both will result in you having to develop a webservice based API through which either systems communicate. I can tell from experience that this isn't an ideal way to handle any system and has severe limitations.

So to summarize: Magento isn't a bad system and has its usefulness in smaller-scale ecommerce setups. If you have to deal with more complex business processes or want to modify the store beyond the themes, I'd suggest to stick with OFBiz and rather look into a more modern webstorefront (almost all agencies have one) and/or wait for www.cato-commerce.com to come out, which will solve the problem of not having a nice interface for a complex solution.

[Antony Adopo]

thank you very much. It seems that magnolia with ofbiz is a great idea.

Thanks for all your answers.


2013/10/19 Paul Piper <[hidden email]>

> I would second the opinion that it absolutely depends on the purpose and
> more
> importantly the size of the company. If the goal is to get an ecommerce
> store up and running quickly magento is currently the better choice, as it
> is easier to find proper themes for it. So if you have a limited budget and
> are fine with the features magento offers, go for it.
>
> But that is where the benefits end. Having implemented several stores with
> both magento or OFBizi must say that feature-wise OFBiz is superior. At
> least once you replace the html and trim it down (as we did with
> www.syracus.net). Magento hasn't been updated in recent years - in fact,
> people are still waiting for version 2.0 to come out. If you actually do
> the
> switch you will find that Magento is actually pretty buggy (give the
> product
> csv import a go and you will see what i mean) and it isn't necessarily more
> comfortable to deal with once set up. There is a SAAS based version of
> Magento available, which isn't to expensive to use - if you want to give it
> a try, I'd suggest to look at it there, and you'll see what i mean when I
> say "buggy". On top, it is a php based software, so "combining" both will
> result in you having to develop a webservice based API through which either
> systems communicate. I can tell from experience that this isn't an ideal
> way
> to handle any system and has severe limitations.
>
> So to summarize: Magento isn't a bad system and has its usefulness in
> smaller-scale ecommerce setups. If you have to deal with more complex
> business processes or want to modify the store beyond the themes, I'd
> suggest to stick with OFBiz and rather look into a more modern
> webstorefront
> (almost all agencies have one) and/or wait for www.cato-commerce.com to
> come
> out, which will solve the problem of not having a nice interface for a
> complex solution.
>
>
>
>
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>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Antony Adopo wrote:
> For users customers first. but we have to be able to personnalize a
> maximum. about our different shops on different places. and i'm not good at
> php
>
>
I just want to add to Paul's answer, that if you need to handle PHP requests in Java this could interest you
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4203

But it seems that you need more to convince your boss, and it's helpess for that, maybe to negotiate something

Maybe the best is indeed to wait for http://www.cato-commerce.com/ 
For now it's a closed beta with select customers
The demo exists but isn't there for a larger audience

HTH

Jacques

Paul Piper wrote:

> I would second the opinion that it absolutely depends on the purpose and more
> importantly the size of the company. If the goal is to get an ecommerce
> store up and running quickly magento is currently the better choice, as it
> is easier to find proper themes for it. So if you have a limited budget and
> are fine with the features magento offers, go for it.
>
> But that is where the benefits end. Having implemented several stores with
> both magento or OFBizi must say that feature-wise OFBiz is superior. At
> least once you replace the html and trim it down (as we did with
> www.syracus.net). Magento hasn't been updated in recent years - in fact,
> people are still waiting for version 2.0 to come out. If you actually do the
> switch you will find that Magento is actually pretty buggy (give the product
> csv import a go and you will see what i mean) and it isn't necessarily more
> comfortable to deal with once set up. There is a SAAS based version of
> Magento available, which isn't to expensive to use - if you want to give it
> a try, I'd suggest to look at it there, and you'll see what i mean when I
> say "buggy". On top, it is a php based software, so "combining" both will
> result in you having to develop a webservice based API through which either
> systems communicate. I can tell from experience that this isn't an ideal way
> to handle any system and has severe limitations.
>
> So to summarize: Magento isn't a bad system and has its usefulness in
> smaller-scale ecommerce setups. If you have to deal with more complex
> business processes or want to modify the store beyond the themes, I'd
> suggest to stick with OFBiz and rather look into a more modern webstorefront
> (almost all agencies have one) and/or wait for www.cato-commerce.com to come
> out, which will solve the problem of not having a nice interface for a
> complex solution.

[Nick Rosser-2]

I would concur with the general thoughts in this thread.

The focus of Magento is eCommerce, with some back-end fulfillment stuff
for managing customers / orders / inventory etc. We haven't used Magento
-- it obviously works otherwise there wouldn't be so many Magento based
sites. I have heard anecdotal evidence to support the problems noted by
others.

OFBiz provides an outstanding data model, a comprehensive service layer,
and complete functionality for a full-blown ERP solution. eCommerce is
obviously part of this. The out-of-the-box UI does not pretend to be
elegant and ready-to-go. For us it's almost a reference implementation
meant to be tweaked. The heavy lifting is all under the covers. And it
does it well.

The LAMP vs Java debate is another obvious differentiator. For us it's
easy, we're a Java shop. We build enterprise, mission-critical systems
and Java based apps does it for us.

I do find it interesting that most of the queries to this ML are related
to eComm. This is what motivated us to build our BigFish solution
(easy-to-use, out-of-the-box eCommerce solution by extending the great
features of OFBiz). Check out http://bigfish.solveda.com (wait for the
new release in the next couple of weeks, some significant improvements
on the way).

Great to see that OFBiz is being extended in many different ways with
out-of-the-box offerings from various providers, good news for the
future longevity of OFBiz.


On 10/19/2013 12:07 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Antony Adopo wrote:
>> For users customers first. but we have to be able to personnalize a
>> maximum. about our different shops on different places. and i'm not good at
>> php
>>
>>
> I just want to add to Paul's answer, that if you need to handle PHP requests in Java this could interest you
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4203
>
> But it seems that you need more to convince your boss, and it's helpess for that, maybe to negotiate something
>
> Maybe the best is indeed to wait for http://www.cato-commerce.com/
> For now it's a closed beta with select customers
> The demo exists but isn't there for a larger audience
>
> HTH
>
> Jacques
>
> Paul Piper wrote:
>> I would second the opinion that it absolutely depends on the purpose and more
>> importantly the size of the company. If the goal is to get an ecommerce
>> store up and running quickly magento is currently the better choice, as it
>> is easier to find proper themes for it. So if you have a limited budget and
>> are fine with the features magento offers, go for it.
>>
>> But that is where the benefits end. Having implemented several stores with
>> both magento or OFBizi must say that feature-wise OFBiz is superior. At
>> least once you replace the html and trim it down (as we did with
>> www.syracus.net). Magento hasn't been updated in recent years - in fact,
>> people are still waiting for version 2.0 to come out. If you actually do the
>> switch you will find that Magento is actually pretty buggy (give the product
>> csv import a go and you will see what i mean) and it isn't necessarily more
>> comfortable to deal with once set up. There is a SAAS based version of
>> Magento available, which isn't to expensive to use - if you want to give it
>> a try, I'd suggest to look at it there, and you'll see what i mean when I
>> say "buggy". On top, it is a php based software, so "combining" both will
>> result in you having to develop a webservice based API through which either
>> systems communicate. I can tell from experience that this isn't an ideal way
>> to handle any system and has severe limitations.
>>
>> So to summarize: Magento isn't a bad system and has its usefulness in
>> smaller-scale ecommerce setups. If you have to deal with more complex
>> business processes or want to modify the store beyond the themes, I'd
>> suggest to stick with OFBiz and rather look into a more modern webstorefront
>> (almost all agencies have one) and/or wait for www.cato-commerce.com to come
>> out, which will solve the problem of not having a nice interface for a
>> complex solution.

[Robert Gan]

You really have to watch out for your requirements.

I made quite bad experiences with xt-commerce...its slow, its not object orientated and its difficult to expend.

now we switched to ofbiz. Ok for me it took about 12 month, but the reasons were: I was not a java developer, I made it besides the main business, not full time etc.

Now after my experience I would say you can get it in much lower time....

for a reference: http://www.mercon24.de

we are absolutely satisfied with ofbiz and can expand it with what ever we like...in easy ways.

greetings

[Antony Adopo]

Ok. Thanks for reference

-----Message d'origine-----
De : "Robert G." <[hidden email]>
Envoyé : ‎04/‎11/‎2013 14:57
À : "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Objet : Re: Ofbiz vs Magento

You really have to watch out for your requirements.

I made quite bad experiences with xt-commerce...its slow, its not object
orientated and its difficult to expend.

now we switched to ofbiz. Ok for me it took about 12 month, but the reasons
were: I was not a java developer, I made it besides the main business, not
full time etc.

Now after my experience I would say you can get it in much lower time....

for a reference: www.mercon24.de

we are absolutely satisfied with ofbiz and can expand it with what ever we
like...in easy ways.

greetings



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[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Robert for this message,

Maybe you could add a short user story at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+Stories ?

I will try to add articles dates there (using the Confluence history)

Jacques

Robert G. wrote:

> You really have to watch out for your requirements.
>
> I made quite bad experiences with xt-commerce...its slow, its not object
> orientated and its difficult to expend.
>
> now we switched to ofbiz. Ok for me it took about 12 month, but the reasons
> were: I was not a java developer, I made it besides the main business, not
> full time etc.
>
> Now after my experience I would say you can get it in much lower time....
>
> for a reference: www.mercon24.de
>
> we are absolutely satisfied with ofbiz and can expand it with what ever we
> like...in easy ways.
>
> greetings