I totally agree - let's update that table to have more information - including something about whether or not the author is supporting it.
Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thinking more about that... > > The web page should include a way to contact the theme's author - > should > a user have questions about it. Looking into the future, if we have a > > number of people contributing themes, we could get swamped with theme > > bug reports, requests for new features, etc. It would be nice to > direct > that traffic to the author. > > -Adrian > > Adrian Crum wrote: > > At the same time, we don't want to offend the author. If the author > > > wants to remove it from the web page, then he/she is free to do so. > > > > -Adrian > > > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> I think we should not bother to have it in the Visual Themes > gallery > >> and simply drop and forget it. BizznessTime replaced it and is > >> apparently the same. Thus we will not end up with an user not aware > > >> willing to use it as fundation. > >> > >> Jacques > >> > >> From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > >>> Apparently I can commit there :) This has been removed and is > posted > >>> on the page. Thanks to everyone for helping out figure our > >>> deprecation path here. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Tim > >>> -- > >>> Tim Ruppert > >>> HotWax Media > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>> > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >>> > >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can > now > >>>> be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever > >>>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will > report > >>>> back. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Tim > >>>> -- > >>>> Tim Ruppert > >>>> HotWax Media > >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>> > >>>> o:801.649.6594 > >>>> f:801.649.6595 > >>>> > >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think > we > >>>> keep > >>>> > the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just > the > >>>> > ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the > original > >>>> Smooth > >>>> > Feather now stands out. > >>>> > > >>>> > Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page > in > >>>> > Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > Smooth > >>>> > Feather there. > >>>> > > >>>> > Cheers, > >>>> > Tim > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Tim Ruppert > >>>> > HotWax Media > >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>> > > >>>> > o:801.649.6594 > >>>> > f:801.649.6595 > >>>> > > >>>> > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > -Adrian > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >>>> > > > For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have > the > >>>> > good > >>>> > > old > >>>> > > > theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > >>>> > > > We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment > >>>> > (obviously > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > BiznessTime at the moment). > >>>> > > > The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > >>>> > > > This would be an easy deprecation policy > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Jacques > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >>>> > > >> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested > having > >>>> > only > >>>> > > one > >>>> > > >> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided > outside > >>>> > the > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >> project - by theme providers. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> David thought it would be good to have several themes in > the > >>>> > > project > >>>> > > >> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the > project > >>>> > > means > >>>> > > >> that much more code that has to be maintained. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > >>>> > discussed. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> -Adrian > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>>> > > >>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan > to > >>>> > > deprecate > >>>> > > >>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? > We've > >>>> > > already > >>>> > > >>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will > surely be > >>>> > > others > >>>> > > >>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > >>>> Anyways, > >>>> > my > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - > but > >>>> I'd > >>>> > > love > >>>> > > >>> to hear what the original intention was and other good > ideas > >>>> > out > >>>> > > there. > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> Cheers, > >>>> > > >>> Tim > >>>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Tim Ruppert > >>>> > > >>> HotWax Media > >>>> > > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >>>> > > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > |
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We could remove multiflex as well right? That's not even used on the backend. I could be seriously wrong here, so let me know.
Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 - I'm for it. Just remember to get the screenshot from demo before > you remove it :) I'll be happy to do it once we have a few more > votes. > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +1 for Bluelight in gallery and not in OFBiz OOTB as already > proposed > > (easier maintenance) > > > > Jacques > > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > > > Should we do the same for Bluelight? > > > > > > -Adrian > > > > > > Tim Ruppert wrote: > > >> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can > > now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I > > >> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and > will > > report back. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Tim > > >> -- > > >> Tim Ruppert > > >> HotWax Media > > >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > >> > > >> o:801.649.6594 > > >> f:801.649.6595 > > >> > > >> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we > > keep > > >>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just > > the > > >>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original > > Smooth > > >>> Feather now stands out. > > >>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page > > in > > >>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > > Smooth > > >>> Feather there. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Tim > > >>> -- > > >>> Tim Ruppert > > >>> HotWax Media > > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > >>> > > >>> o:801.649.6594 > > >>> f:801.649.6595 > > >>> > > >>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. > > >>>> > > >>>> -Adrian > > >>>> > > >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > >>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the > > >>> good > > >>>> old > > >>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > > >>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment > > >>> (obviously > > >>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). > > >>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > > >>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Jacques > > >>>>> > > >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > > >>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having > > >>> only > > >>>> one > > >>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided > outside > > >>> the > > >>>>>> project - by theme providers. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the > > >>>> project > > >>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the > project > > >>>> means > > >>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > > >>> discussed. > > >>>>>> -Adrian > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > > >>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to > > >>>> deprecate > > >>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? > We've > > >>>> already > > >>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely > be > > >>>> others > > >>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > > Anyways, > > >>> my > > >>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but > > I'd > > >>>> love > > >>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good > ideas > > >>> out > > >>>> there. > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>> Tim > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert > > >>>>>>> HotWax Media > > >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 > > >>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> > > > |
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+1, good idea!
Jacques From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> >I totally agree - let's update that table to have more information - including something about whether or not the author is >supporting it. > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Thinking more about that... >> >> The web page should include a way to contact the theme's author - >> should >> a user have questions about it. Looking into the future, if we have a >> >> number of people contributing themes, we could get swamped with theme >> >> bug reports, requests for new features, etc. It would be nice to >> direct >> that traffic to the author. >> >> -Adrian >> >> Adrian Crum wrote: >> > At the same time, we don't want to offend the author. If the author >> >> > wants to remove it from the web page, then he/she is free to do so. >> > >> > -Adrian >> > >> > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >> I think we should not bother to have it in the Visual Themes >> gallery >> >> and simply drop and forget it. BizznessTime replaced it and is >> >> apparently the same. Thus we will not end up with an user not aware >> >> >> willing to use it as fundation. >> >> >> >> Jacques >> >> >> >> From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> >> >>> Apparently I can commit there :) This has been removed and is >> posted >> >>> on the page. Thanks to everyone for helping out figure our >> >>> deprecation path here. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Tim >> >>> -- >> >>> Tim Ruppert >> >>> HotWax Media >> >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >>> >> >>> o:801.649.6594 >> >>> f:801.649.6595 >> >>> >> >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >> now >> >>>> be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever >> >>>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will >> report >> >>>> back. >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers, >> >>>> Tim >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Tim Ruppert >> >>>> HotWax Media >> >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >>>> >> >>>> o:801.649.6594 >> >>>> f:801.649.6595 >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> > Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think >> we >> >>>> keep >> >>>> > the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >> the >> >>>> > ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the >> original >> >>>> Smooth >> >>>> > Feather now stands out. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page >> in >> >>>> > Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >> Smooth >> >>>> > Feather there. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Cheers, >> >>>> > Tim >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > Tim Ruppert >> >>>> > HotWax Media >> >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > o:801.649.6594 >> >>>> > f:801.649.6595 >> >>>> > >> >>>> > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > -Adrian >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>>> > > > For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have >> the >> >>>> > good >> >>>> > > old >> >>>> > > > theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >> >>>> > > > We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >> >>>> > (obviously >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > > BiznessTime at the moment). >> >>>> > > > The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >> >>>> > > > This would be an easy deprecation policy >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > Jacques >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> >>>> > > >> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested >> having >> >>>> > only >> >>>> > > one >> >>>> > > >> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided >> outside >> >>>> > the >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> project - by theme providers. >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> David thought it would be good to have several themes in >> the >> >>>> > > project >> >>>> > > >> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the >> project >> >>>> > > means >> >>>> > > >> that much more code that has to be maintained. >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >> >>>> > discussed. >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> -Adrian >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> Tim Ruppert wrote: >> >>>> > > >>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan >> to >> >>>> > > deprecate >> >>>> > > >>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? >> We've >> >>>> > > already >> >>>> > > >>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will >> surely be >> >>>> > > others >> >>>> > > >>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >> >>>> Anyways, >> >>>> > my >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - >> but >> >>>> I'd >> >>>> > > love >> >>>> > > >>> to hear what the original intention was and other good >> ideas >> >>>> > out >> >>>> > > there. >> >>>> > > >>> >> >>>> > > >>> Cheers, >> >>>> > > >>> Tim >> >>>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Tim Ruppert >> >>>> > > >>> HotWax Media >> >>>> > > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >>>> > > >>> >> >>>> > > >>> o:801.649.6594 >> >>>> > > >>> f:801.649.6595 >> >>>> > > >>> >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > |
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He's all good with dropping it completely - I was +1'ing Adrian's policy proposal. I don't mind having the not supported ones up there though. Let the number of themes grow. I just don't see any reason to flush it totally in general - but in this case, feel free to do whatever you like - foster will not be sad either way :)
Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Ryan clearly expressed that BizznesTIme is a replacement for > SmoothFeather which should be dropped, or did I miss something ? Will > > Ryan be aware of it there ? > > Jacques > > From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > > +1 > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Ruppert > > HotWax Media > > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > > o:801.649.6594 > > f:801.649.6595 > > > > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> At the same time, we don't want to offend the author. If the > author > >> wants to remove it from the web page, then he/she is free to do > so. > >> > >> -Adrian > >> > >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> > I think we should not bother to have it in the Visual Themes > gallery > >> and > >> > simply drop and forget it. BizznessTime replaced it and is > >> apparently > >> > the same. Thus we will not end up with an user not aware willing > to > >> use > >> > it as fundation. > >> > > >> > Jacques > >> > > >> > From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > >> >> Apparently I can commit there :) This has been removed and is > >> posted > >> >> on the page. Thanks to everyone for helping out figure our > >> >> deprecation path here. > >> >> > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Tim > >> >> -- > >> >> Tim Ruppert > >> >> HotWax Media > >> >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >> > >> >> o:801.649.6594 > >> >> f:801.649.6595 > >> >> > >> >> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and > can > >> now > >> >>> be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I > ever > >> >>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will > >> report > >> >>> back. > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers, > >> >>> Tim > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Tim Ruppert > >> >>> HotWax Media > >> >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>> > >> >>> o:801.649.6594 > >> >>> f:801.649.6595 > >> >>> > >> >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think > we > >> >>> keep > >> >>> > the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - > just > >> the > >> >>> > ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the > original > >> >>> Smooth > >> >>> > Feather now stands out. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a > page > >> in > >> >>> > Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > >> Smooth > >> >>> > Feather there. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Cheers, > >> >>> > Tim > >> >>> > -- > >> >>> > Tim Ruppert > >> >>> > HotWax Media > >> >>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>> > > >> >>> > o:801.649.6594 > >> >>> > f:801.649.6595 > >> >>> > > >> >>> > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > -Adrian > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> >>> > > > For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to > have > >> the > >> >>> > good > >> >>> > > old > >> >>> > > > theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > >> >>> > > > We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment > >> >>> > (obviously > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > BiznessTime at the moment). > >> >>> > > > The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > >> >>> > > > This would be an easy deprecation policy > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > Jacques > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >> >>> > > >> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested > >> having > >> >>> > only > >> >>> > > one > >> >>> > > >> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided > >> outside > >> >>> > the > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> project - by theme providers. > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> David thought it would be good to have several themes > in > >> the > >> >>> > > project > >> >>> > > >> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the > >> project > >> >>> > > means > >> >>> > > >> that much more code that has to be maintained. > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > >> >>> > discussed. > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> -Adrian > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> >>> > > >>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the > plan > >> to > >> >>> > > deprecate > >> >>> > > >>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? > >> We've > >> >>> > > already > >> >>> > > >>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will > surely > >> be > >> >>> > > others > >> >>> > > >>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > >> >>> Anyways, > >> >>> > my > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - > >> but > >> >>> I'd > >> >>> > > love > >> >>> > > >>> to hear what the original intention was and other good > >> ideas > >> >>> > out > >> >>> > > there. > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>> Cheers, > >> >>> > > >>> Tim > >> >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Tim Ruppert > >> >>> > > >>> HotWax Media > >> >>> > > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >> >>> > > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > |
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I'll take care of it real quick.
Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1, good idea! > > Jacques > > From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > >I totally agree - let's update that table to have more information - > including something about whether or not the author is > >supporting it. > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Ruppert > > HotWax Media > > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > > o:801.649.6594 > > f:801.649.6595 > > > > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> Thinking more about that... > >> > >> The web page should include a way to contact the theme's author - > >> should > >> a user have questions about it. Looking into the future, if we have > a > >> > >> number of people contributing themes, we could get swamped with > theme > >> > >> bug reports, requests for new features, etc. It would be nice to > >> direct > >> that traffic to the author. > >> > >> -Adrian > >> > >> Adrian Crum wrote: > >> > At the same time, we don't want to offend the author. If the > author > >> > >> > wants to remove it from the web page, then he/she is free to do > so. > >> > > >> > -Adrian > >> > > >> > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> >> I think we should not bother to have it in the Visual Themes > >> gallery > >> >> and simply drop and forget it. BizznessTime replaced it and is > >> >> apparently the same. Thus we will not end up with an user not > aware > >> > >> >> willing to use it as fundation. > >> >> > >> >> Jacques > >> >> > >> >> From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > >> >>> Apparently I can commit there :) This has been removed and is > >> posted > >> >>> on the page. Thanks to everyone for helping out figure our > >> >>> deprecation path here. > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers, > >> >>> Tim > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Tim Ruppert > >> >>> HotWax Media > >> >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>> > >> >>> o:801.649.6594 > >> >>> f:801.649.6595 > >> >>> > >> >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and > can > >> now > >> >>>> be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I > ever > >> >>>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will > >> report > >> >>>> back. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Cheers, > >> >>>> Tim > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Tim Ruppert > >> >>>> HotWax Media > >> >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>>> > >> >>>> o:801.649.6594 > >> >>>> f:801.649.6595 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I > think > >> we > >> >>>> keep > >> >>>> > the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - > just > >> the > >> >>>> > ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the > >> original > >> >>>> Smooth > >> >>>> > Feather now stands out. > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a > page > >> in > >> >>>> > Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > >> Smooth > >> >>>> > Feather there. > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Cheers, > >> >>>> > Tim > >> >>>> > -- > >> >>>> > Tim Ruppert > >> >>>> > HotWax Media > >> >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > o:801.649.6594 > >> >>>> > f:801.649.6595 > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web > page. > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > -Adrian > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> >>>> > > > For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to > have > >> the > >> >>>> > good > >> >>>> > > old > >> >>>> > > > theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > >> >>>> > > > We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the > moment > >> >>>> > (obviously > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > BiznessTime at the moment). > >> >>>> > > > The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > >> >>>> > > > This would be an easy deprecation policy > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>>> > > > Jacques > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>>> > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >> >>>> > > >> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested > >> having > >> >>>> > only > >> >>>> > > one > >> >>>> > > >> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided > >> outside > >> >>>> > the > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >> project - by theme providers. > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> David thought it would be good to have several themes > in > >> the > >> >>>> > > project > >> >>>> > > >> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the > >> project > >> >>>> > > means > >> >>>> > > >> that much more code that has to be maintained. > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > >> >>>> > discussed. > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> -Adrian > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> >>>> > > >>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the > plan > >> to > >> >>>> > > deprecate > >> >>>> > > >>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? > >> We've > >> >>>> > > already > >> >>>> > > >>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will > >> surely be > >> >>>> > > others > >> >>>> > > >>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > >> >>>> Anyways, > >> >>>> > my > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >>> vote would be community votes and just removing them > - > >> but > >> >>>> I'd > >> >>>> > > love > >> >>>> > > >>> to hear what the original intention was and other > good > >> ideas > >> >>>> > out > >> >>>> > > there. > >> >>>> > > >>> > >> >>>> > > >>> Cheers, > >> >>>> > > >>> Tim > >> >>>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Tim Ruppert > >> >>>> > > >>> HotWax Media > >> >>>> > > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> >>>> > > >>> > >> >>>> > > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >> >>>> > > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >> >>>> > > >>> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > |
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It's may be used in front end (eCommerce). But there are still some flaws in it (actually it's a mock-up), very interesting ideas in
though! Jacques From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > We could remove multiflex as well right? That's not even used on the backend. I could be seriously wrong here, so let me know. > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> +1 - I'm for it. Just remember to get the screenshot from demo before >> you remove it :) I'll be happy to do it once we have a few more >> votes. >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> o:801.649.6594 >> f:801.649.6595 >> >> ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > +1 for Bluelight in gallery and not in OFBiz OOTB as already >> proposed >> > (easier maintenance) >> > >> > Jacques >> > >> > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> > > Should we do the same for Bluelight? >> > > >> > > -Adrian >> > > >> > > Tim Ruppert wrote: >> > >> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >> > now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I >> > >> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and >> will >> > report back. >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, >> > >> Tim >> > >> -- >> > >> Tim Ruppert >> > >> HotWax Media >> > >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> > >> >> > >> o:801.649.6594 >> > >> f:801.649.6595 >> > >> >> > >> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we >> > keep >> > >>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >> > the >> > >>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >> > Smooth >> > >>> Feather now stands out. >> > >>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page >> > in >> > >>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >> > Smooth >> > >>> Feather there. >> > >>> >> > >>> Cheers, >> > >>> Tim >> > >>> -- >> > >>> Tim Ruppert >> > >>> HotWax Media >> > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> > >>> >> > >>> o:801.649.6594 >> > >>> f:801.649.6595 >> > >>> >> > >>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> -Adrian >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> > >>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >> > >>> good >> > >>>> old >> > >>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >> > >>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >> > >>> (obviously >> > >>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >> > >>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >> > >>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Jacques >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> > >>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >> > >>> only >> > >>>> one >> > >>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided >> outside >> > >>> the >> > >>>>>> project - by theme providers. >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >> > >>>> project >> > >>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the >> project >> > >>>> means >> > >>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >> > >>> discussed. >> > >>>>>> -Adrian >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >> > >>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >> > >>>> deprecate >> > >>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? >> We've >> > >>>> already >> > >>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely >> be >> > >>>> others >> > >>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >> > Anyways, >> > >>> my >> > >>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but >> > I'd >> > >>>> love >> > >>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good >> ideas >> > >>> out >> > >>>> there. >> > >>>>>>> Cheers, >> > >>>>>>> Tim >> > >>>>>>> -- >> > >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >> > >>>>>>> HotWax Media >> > >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >> > >>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > > > |
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I am aware that it will be dropped, and I welcome it. +1 as well for
dropping it from the Confluence page. I would prefer if people did not remember my mistakes, or have an easy place to reference them :) Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On May 7, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Ryan clearly expressed that BizznesTIme is a replacement for > SmoothFeather which should be dropped, or did I miss something ? > Will Ryan be aware of it there ? > > Jacques > > From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> >> +1 >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> o:801.649.6594 >> f:801.649.6595 >> >> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> At the same time, we don't want to offend the author. If the author >>> wants to remove it from the web page, then he/she is free to do so. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> > I think we should not bother to have it in the Visual Themes >>> gallery >>> and >>> > simply drop and forget it. BizznessTime replaced it and is >>> apparently >>> > the same. Thus we will not end up with an user not aware willing >>> to >>> use >>> > it as fundation. >>> > >>> > Jacques >>> > >>> > From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> >>> >> Apparently I can commit there :) This has been removed and is >>> posted >>> >> on the page. Thanks to everyone for helping out figure our >>> >> deprecation path here. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Tim >>> >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >>> >> HotWax Media >>> >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >> >>> >> o:801.649.6594 >>> >> f:801.649.6595 >>> >> >>> >> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >>> now >>> >>> be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever >>> >>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will >>> report >>> >>> back. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Ruppert >>> >>> HotWax Media >>> >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >>> >>> >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think >>> we >>> >>> keep >>> >>> > the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >>> the >>> >>> > ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the >>> original >>> >>> Smooth >>> >>> > Feather now stands out. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a >>> page >>> in >>> >>> > Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >>> Smooth >>> >>> > Feather there. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Cheers, >>> >>> > Tim >>> >>> > -- >>> >>> > Tim Ruppert >>> >>> > HotWax Media >>> >>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >>> > >>> >>> > o:801.649.6594 >>> >>> > f:801.649.6595 >>> >>> > >>> >>> > ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > -Adrian >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>> > > > For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have >>> the >>> >>> > good >>> >>> > > old >>> >>> > > > theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>> >>> > > > We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>> >>> > (obviously >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > BiznessTime at the moment). >>> >>> > > > The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>> >>> > > > This would be an easy deprecation policy >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > Jacques >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>> >>> > > >> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested >>> having >>> >>> > only >>> >>> > > one >>> >>> > > >> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided >>> outside >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> project - by theme providers. >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> David thought it would be good to have several themes in >>> the >>> >>> > > project >>> >>> > > >> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the >>> project >>> >>> > > means >>> >>> > > >> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>> >>> > discussed. >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> -Adrian >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> >>> > > >>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan >>> to >>> >>> > > deprecate >>> >>> > > >>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? >>> We've >>> >>> > > already >>> >>> > > >>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will >>> surely >>> be >>> >>> > > others >>> >>> > > >>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >>> >>> Anyways, >>> >>> > my >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - >>> but >>> >>> I'd >>> >>> > > love >>> >>> > > >>> to hear what the original intention was and other good >>> ideas >>> >>> > out >>> >>> > > there. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> Cheers, >>> >>> > > >>> Tim >>> >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Tim Ruppert >>> >>> > > >>> HotWax Media >>> >>> > > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> >>> > > >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > > > |
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See my other comments please, but again, NO! Multiflex is a front-end theme. Look, there seems to be a lot of confusion here. We definitely want multiple themes OOTB and I fully expect the default to change over time. The ONLY reason removing a theme has been discussed is because Ryan chose to create a new theme (BizznessTime) instead of changing SmoothFeather in order to fix problems with it. So, let's not get ahead of ourselves here... -David On May 7, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > We could remove multiflex as well right? That's not even used on > the backend. I could be seriously wrong here, so let me know. > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> +1 - I'm for it. Just remember to get the screenshot from demo >> before >> you remove it :) I'll be happy to do it once we have a few more >> votes. >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> o:801.649.6594 >> f:801.649.6595 >> >> ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> +1 for Bluelight in gallery and not in OFBiz OOTB as already >> proposed >>> (easier maintenance) >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I >>>>> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and >> will >>> report back. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> >>>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we >>> keep >>>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >>> the >>>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >>> Smooth >>>>>> Feather now stands out. >>>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page >>> in >>>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >>> Smooth >>>>>> Feather there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>> >>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>>>> good >>>>>>> old >>>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>>>> (obviously >>>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>>>> only >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided >> outside >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the >> project >>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>>>> discussed. >>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? >> We've >>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely >> be >>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >>> Anyways, >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but >>> I'd >>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good >> ideas >>>>>> out >>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> |
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Ok - cool.
Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > It's may be used in front end (eCommerce). But there are still some > flaws in it (actually it's a mock-up), very interesting ideas in > though! > > Jacques > > From: "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> > > We could remove multiflex as well right? That's not even used on > the backend. I could be seriously wrong here, so let me know. > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Ruppert > > HotWax Media > > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > > o:801.649.6594 > > f:801.649.6595 > > > > ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> +1 - I'm for it. Just remember to get the screenshot from demo > before > >> you remove it :) I'll be happy to do it once we have a few more > >> votes. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tim > >> -- > >> Tim Ruppert > >> HotWax Media > >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> > >> o:801.649.6594 > >> f:801.649.6595 > >> > >> ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> > +1 for Bluelight in gallery and not in OFBiz OOTB as already > >> proposed > >> > (easier maintenance) > >> > > >> > Jacques > >> > > >> > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >> > > Should we do the same for Bluelight? > >> > > > >> > > -Adrian > >> > > > >> > > Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> > >> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and > can > >> > now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I > >> > >> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and > >> will > >> > report back. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Tim Ruppert > >> > >> HotWax Media > >> > >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> > >> > >> > >> o:801.649.6594 > >> > >> f:801.649.6595 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think > we > >> > keep > >> > >>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - > just > >> > the > >> > >>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the > original > >> > Smooth > >> > >>> Feather now stands out. > >> > >>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a > page > >> > in > >> > >>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > >> > Smooth > >> > >>> Feather there. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Cheers, > >> > >>> Tim > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> Tim Ruppert > >> > >>> HotWax Media > >> > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> > >>> > >> > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >> > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> -Adrian > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> > >>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have > the > >> > >>> good > >> > >>>> old > >> > >>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > >> > >>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment > >> > >>> (obviously > >> > >>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). > >> > >>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > >> > >>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> Jacques > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >> > >>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested > having > >> > >>> only > >> > >>>> one > >> > >>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided > >> outside > >> > >>> the > >> > >>>>>> project - by theme providers. > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in > the > >> > >>>> project > >> > >>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the > >> project > >> > >>>> means > >> > >>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > >> > >>> discussed. > >> > >>>>>> -Adrian > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> > >>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan > to > >> > >>>> deprecate > >> > >>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? > >> We've > >> > >>>> already > >> > >>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will > surely > >> be > >> > >>>> others > >> > >>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > >> > Anyways, > >> > >>> my > >> > >>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - > but > >> > I'd > >> > >>>> love > >> > >>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good > >> ideas > >> > >>> out > >> > >>>> there. > >> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >> > >>>>>>> Tim > >> > >>>>>>> -- > >> > >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert > >> > >>>>>>> HotWax Media > >> > >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 > >> > >>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > |
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Fair - you know me ... lean and mean - I did get a little caught up in the cleanup. No reason to flush the Bluelight theme.
Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote: > No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ > SmoothFeather. > > Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a > discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the > BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather > theme, even though it is really just a big update to the SmoothFeather > > theme and so represents a replacement for it. > > -David > > > On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > > > Should we do the same for Bluelight? > > > > -Adrian > > > > Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can > >> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever > > >> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will report > > >> back. > >> Cheers, > >> Tim > >> -- > >> Tim Ruppert > >> HotWax Media > >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >> o:801.649.6594 > >> f:801.649.6595 > >> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we > keep > >>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just > the > >>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original > >>> Smooth > >>> Feather now stands out. > >>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page > in > >>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > Smooth > >>> Feather there. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Tim > >>> -- > >>> Tim Ruppert > >>> HotWax Media > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>> > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >>> > >>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. > >>>> > >>>> -Adrian > >>>> > >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the > >>> good > >>>> old > >>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > >>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment > >>> (obviously > >>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). > >>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > >>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy > >>>>> > >>>>> Jacques > >>>>> > >>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having > >>> only > >>>> one > >>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside > >>> the > >>>>>> project - by theme providers. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the > >>>> project > >>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project > >>>> means > >>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > >>> discussed. > >>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to > >>>> deprecate > >>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've > >>>> already > >>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be > >>>> others > >>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > Anyways, > >>> my > >>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but > I'd > >>>> love > >>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas > >>> out > >>>> there. > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Tim > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert > >>>>>>> HotWax Media > >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 > >>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> |
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This discussion has been going on for a few days. There seems to be some
support for the idea of having two themes in the trunk, and keep the rest on a web page. So, what would your suggestion be for themes in the trunk that aren't being maintained? -Adrian David E Jones wrote: > > No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from > BizznessTime/SmoothFeather. > > Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a > discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the BizznessTime > theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather theme, even though > it is really just a big update to the SmoothFeather theme and so > represents a replacement for it. > > -David > > > On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >> >> -Adrian >> >> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can now >>> be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever >>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will report >>> back. >>> Cheers, >>> Tim >>> -- >>> Tim Ruppert >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we keep >>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just the >>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original Smooth >>>> Feather now stands out. >>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page in >>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving Smooth >>>> Feather there. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> >>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>> good >>>>> old >>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>> (obviously >>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>> only >>>>> one >>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside >>>> the >>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>> project >>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project >>>>> means >>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>> discussed. >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've >>>>> already >>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be >>>>> others >>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. Anyways, >>>> my >>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but I'd >>>>> love >>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas >>>> out >>>>> there. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > |
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Yes, but how many themes should we keep OOTB ? Imagine in some time we get a lot of them, should we put them all in OFBiz OOTB ?
Also this means more maintenance. See my message about message.ftl for instance. On the other hand it's clear than a theme only in the gallery is almost dead, following OFBiz pace is not easy nowadays... Jacques From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> > > No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ > SmoothFeather. > > Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a > discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the > BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather > theme, even though it is really just a big update to the SmoothFeather > theme and so represents a replacement for it. > > -David > > > On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >> >> -Adrian >> >> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever >>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will report >>> back. >>> Cheers, >>> Tim >>> -- >>> Tim Ruppert >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we keep >>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just the >>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >>>> Smooth >>>> Feather now stands out. >>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page in >>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving Smooth >>>> Feather there. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> >>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>> good >>>>> old >>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>> (obviously >>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>> only >>>>> one >>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside >>>> the >>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>> project >>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project >>>>> means >>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>> discussed. >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've >>>>> already >>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be >>>>> others >>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. Anyways, >>>> my >>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but I'd >>>>> love >>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas >>>> out >>>>> there. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > |
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Just playing devil's advocate here...
As we go down the road and more people in the community develop frontend and backend themes (which may eventually begin to happen as more people catch on to the theming feature), how do we determine what gets included in the trunk? Do we include every theme that is developed? Do we include only include a certain number? In you look at a project like Wordpress for example, there are literally thousands of free and commercial themes that have been developed, but Wordpress only comes with 2 basic themes OOTB. Just something to think about. Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 [hidden email] On May 7, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > Fair - you know me ... lean and mean - I did get a little caught up > in the cleanup. No reason to flush the Bluelight theme. > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > ----- "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ >> SmoothFeather. >> >> Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a >> discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the >> BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather >> theme, even though it is really just a big update to the >> SmoothFeather >> >> theme and so represents a replacement for it. >> >> -David >> >> >> On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >>>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I ever >> >>>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will report >> >>>> back. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we >> keep >>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >> the >>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >>>>> Smooth >>>>> Feather now stands out. >>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page >> in >>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >> Smooth >>>>> Feather there. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> >>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>>> good >>>>>> old >>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>>> (obviously >>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>>> only >>>>>> one >>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside >>>>> the >>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project >>>>>> means >>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>>> discussed. >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've >>>>>> already >>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be >>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >> Anyways, >>>>> my >>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but >> I'd >>>>>> love >>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas >>>>> out >>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> |
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This has been going on for a few days, but it seems like different people are talking about different things and thinking they are talking about the same thing. Tim's original point was what to do with the SmoothFeather theme now that BizznessTime replaces it, and unfortunately he didn't phrase it that way, just mentioned deprecating themes. If something isn't being maintained then we can decide. I don't think we need a policy, and I don't think we need to ax anything else as there aren't any other themes that are not being maintained. -David On May 7, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > This discussion has been going on for a few days. There seems to be > some support for the idea of having two themes in the trunk, and > keep the rest on a web page. > > So, what would your suggestion be for themes in the trunk that > aren't being maintained? > > -Adrian > > David E Jones wrote: >> No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ >> SmoothFeather. >> Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a >> discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the >> BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather >> theme, even though it is really just a big update to the >> SmoothFeather theme and so represents a replacement for it. >> -David >> On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >>>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I >>>> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will >>>> report back. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we >>>>> keep >>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just the >>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >>>>> Smooth >>>>> Feather now stands out. >>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page in >>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving Smooth >>>>> Feather there. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> >>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>>> good >>>>>> old >>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>>> (obviously >>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>>> only >>>>>> one >>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside >>>>> the >>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project >>>>>> means >>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>>> discussed. >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've >>>>>> already >>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be >>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >>>>>>>>> Anyways, >>>>> my >>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but I'd >>>>>> love >>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas >>>>> out >>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> |
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> Yes, but how many themes should we keep OOTB ? Imagine in some time we get a lot of them, should we put them all in OFBiz OOTB ? > Also this means more maintenance. See my message about message.ftl for instance. On the other hand it's clear than a theme only in > the gallery is almost dead, following OFBiz pace is not easy nowadays... The solution ? Every author should be responsible of his/her themes maintenance (for themes in gallery). I just read Ryan msg about WordPress, I think that this is how it's done there... Jacques > Jacques > > From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >> >> No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ SmoothFeather. >> >> Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the >> BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather theme, even though it is really just a big update to the >> SmoothFeather theme and so represents a replacement for it. >> >> -David >> >> >> On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where >>>> I ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will report back. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tim >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we keep >>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just the >>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original Smooth >>>>> Feather now stands out. >>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page in >>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving Smooth >>>>> Feather there. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> >>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>>> good >>>>>> old >>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>>> (obviously >>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>>> only >>>>>> one >>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside >>>>> the >>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project >>>>>> means >>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>>> discussed. >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've >>>>>> already >>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be >>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. Anyways, >>>>> my >>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but I'd >>>>>> love >>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas >>>>> out >>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> > |
On May 7, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >> Yes, but how many themes should we keep OOTB ? Imagine in some time >> we get a lot of them, should we put them all in OFBiz OOTB ? Also >> this means more maintenance. See my message about message.ftl for >> instance. On the other hand it's clear than a theme only in the >> gallery is almost dead, following OFBiz pace is not easy nowadays... > > The solution ? Every author should be responsible of his/her themes > maintenance (for themes in gallery). I just read Ryan msg about > WordPress, I think that this is how it's done there... Maybe for themes in the gallery, but certainly not in the trunk. There is no concept of individual code responsibility or exclusive control over any code, even if they wrote it. Doing so often results in far more difficulty with hurt feelings and such when someone else helps out. In other words, we're working on building one big project, not a bunch of little projects (yes, it is organized in many parts, but all part of one big whole). -David |
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We would handle these sorts of contributions just like all other contributions to the project. -David On May 7, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Ryan Foster wrote: > Just playing devil's advocate here... > > As we go down the road and more people in the community develop > frontend and backend themes (which may eventually begin to happen as > more people catch on to the theming feature), how do we determine > what gets included in the trunk? Do we include every theme that is > developed? Do we include only include a certain number? In you look > at a project like Wordpress for example, there are literally > thousands of free and commercial themes that have been developed, > but Wordpress only comes with 2 basic themes OOTB. > > Just something to think about. > > Ryan Foster > HotWax Media > 801.671.0769 > [hidden email] > > > > > On May 7, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> Fair - you know me ... lean and mean - I did get a little caught up >> in the cleanup. No reason to flush the Bluelight theme. >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> o:801.649.6594 >> f:801.649.6595 >> >> ----- "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ >>> SmoothFeather. >>> >>> Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a >>> discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the >>> BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather >>> theme, even though it is really just a big update to the >>> SmoothFeather >>> >>> theme and so represents a replacement for it. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>> >>>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >>>>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I >>>>> ever >>> >>>>> rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will >>>>> report >>> >>>>> back. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we >>> keep >>>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >>> the >>>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >>>>>> Smooth >>>>>> Feather now stands out. >>>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page >>> in >>>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >>> Smooth >>>>>> Feather there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>> >>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>>>> good >>>>>>> old >>>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>>>> (obviously >>>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>>>> only >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided outside >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the project >>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>>>> discussed. >>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? We've >>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely be >>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >>> Anyways, >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but >>> I'd >>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good ideas >>>>>> out >>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > |
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> On May 7, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]> >>> Yes, but how many themes should we keep OOTB ? Imagine in some time >>> we get a lot of them, should we put them all in OFBiz OOTB ? Also >>> this means more maintenance. See my message about message.ftl for >>> instance. On the other hand it's clear than a theme only in the >>> gallery is almost dead, following OFBiz pace is not easy nowadays... >> >> The solution ? Every author should be responsible of his/her themes >> maintenance (for themes in gallery). I just read Ryan msg about >> WordPress, I think that this is how it's done there... > > Maybe for themes in the gallery, but certainly not in the trunk. There > is no concept of individual code responsibility or exclusive control > over any code, even if they wrote it. Doing so often results in far > more difficulty with hurt feelings and such when someone else helps > out. In other words, we're working on building one big project, not a > bunch of little projects (yes, it is organized in many parts, but all > part of one big whole). I totally agree, that's why I put << (for themes in gallery).>> Jacques > -David > |
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Just so it's clear, I didn't phrase it that way since it wasn't about just this one theme I really did want to know if we were going to do things the wordpress way or just jam all of these things into the trunk and let the community support them. My personal opinion is that I'd like to start seeing it go the way of all other projects where these sorts of plugins - especially at the UI level - are actually just things maintained separately so that they're not in the trunk - but it doesn't really matter to me which way we do it.
So, yeah, I'm looking for a policy but if it's - just like everything else - I'm totally cool with that. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 ----- "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote: > This has been going on for a few days, but it seems like different > people are talking about different things and thinking they are > talking about the same thing. > > Tim's original point was what to do with the SmoothFeather theme now > that BizznessTime replaces it, and unfortunately he didn't phrase it > that way, just mentioned deprecating themes. > > If something isn't being maintained then we can decide. I don't think > we need a policy, and I don't think we need to ax anything else as > there aren't any other themes that are not being maintained. > > -David > > > On May 7, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > > > This discussion has been going on for a few days. There seems to be > > > some support for the idea of having two themes in the trunk, and > > keep the rest on a web page. > > > > So, what would your suggestion be for themes in the trunk that > > aren't being maintained? > > > > -Adrian > > > > David E Jones wrote: > >> No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ > > >> SmoothFeather. > >> Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a > > >> discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the > >> BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather > > >> theme, even though it is really just a big update to the > >> SmoothFeather theme and so represents a replacement for it. > >> -David > >> On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? > >>> > >>> -Adrian > >>> > >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can > > >>>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I > >>>> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will > > >>>> report back. > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Tim > >>>> -- > >>>> Tim Ruppert > >>>> HotWax Media > >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>> o:801.649.6594 > >>>> f:801.649.6595 > >>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we > > >>>>> keep > >>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just > the > >>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original > > >>>>> Smooth > >>>>> Feather now stands out. > >>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page > in > >>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving > Smooth > >>>>> Feather there. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Tim > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Tim Ruppert > >>>>> HotWax Media > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>>> > >>>>> o:801.649.6594 > >>>>> f:801.649.6595 > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the > >>>>> good > >>>>>> old > >>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. > >>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment > >>>>> (obviously > >>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). > >>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ > >>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jacques > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > >>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having > >>>>> only > >>>>>> one > >>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided > outside > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the > >>>>>> project > >>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the > project > >>>>>> means > >>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been > >>>>> discussed. > >>>>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to > >>>>>> deprecate > >>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? > We've > >>>>>> already > >>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely > be > >>>>>> others > >>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. > >>>>>>>>> Anyways, > >>>>> my > >>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but > I'd > >>>>>> love > >>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good > ideas > >>>>> out > >>>>>> there. > >>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>> Tim > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert > >>>>>>>>> HotWax Media > >>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 > >>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> |
When a person (or a group) want to contribute a new theme, as
discussed that this would go on OFBiz Theme Gallery page but what about incremental fixes or improvement to these themes? I think it would be nice to add a note on theme gallery page which instructs the owner or any other person who improve the theme and eventually contribute, to add brief details about the what was fixed in a particular version, since we are not maintaining them in trunk. Vikas On May 8, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > Just so it's clear, I didn't phrase it that way since it wasn't > about just this one theme I really did want to know if we were going > to do things the wordpress way or just jam all of these things into > the trunk and let the community support them. My personal opinion > is that I'd like to start seeing it go the way of all other projects > where these sorts of plugins - especially at the UI level - are > actually just things maintained separately so that they're not in > the trunk - but it doesn't really matter to me which way we do it. > > So, yeah, I'm looking for a policy but if it's - just like > everything else - I'm totally cool with that. > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > ----- "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> This has been going on for a few days, but it seems like different >> people are talking about different things and thinking they are >> talking about the same thing. >> >> Tim's original point was what to do with the SmoothFeather theme now >> that BizznessTime replaces it, and unfortunately he didn't phrase it >> that way, just mentioned deprecating themes. >> >> If something isn't being maintained then we can decide. I don't think >> we need a policy, and I don't think we need to ax anything else as >> there aren't any other themes that are not being maintained. >> >> -David >> >> >> On May 7, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >>> This discussion has been going on for a few days. There seems to be >> >>> some support for the idea of having two themes in the trunk, and >>> keep the rest on a web page. >>> >>> So, what would your suggestion be for themes in the trunk that >>> aren't being maintained? >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> David E Jones wrote: >>>> No! Definitely not. Bluelight is quite different from BizznessTime/ >> >>>> SmoothFeather. >>>> Let's not get lost in all this... the ONLY reason there was even a >> >>>> discussion about deprecating/removing themes is because the >>>> BizznessTime theme was added instead of updating the SmoothFeather >> >>>> theme, even though it is really just a big update to the >>>> SmoothFeather theme and so represents a replacement for it. >>>> -David >>>> On May 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>> Should we do the same for Bluelight? >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>> Smooth Feather has been posted to the Visual Themes page and can >> >>>>>> now be removed by anyone who has rights. I'm not sure where I >>>>>> ever rememthemes is classified, but I'll give it a whirl and will >> >>>>>> report back. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>> ----- "Tim Ruppert" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>>> Yeah, I can get behind that for sure. Btw, Jacques, I think we >> >>>>>>> keep >>>>>>> the Flat Grey forever - no reason to deprecate that one - just >> the >>>>>>> ones that aren't going to be maintained - of which the original >> >>>>>>> Smooth >>>>>>> Feather now stands out. >>>>>>> Anyways, if everyone's cool with that - then we can make a page >> in >>>>>>> Confluence and keep everything there - starting with moving >> Smooth >>>>>>> Feather there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I like the idea of moving deprecated themes to a web page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>> For several reason, I really appreciate sometimes to have the >>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> theme (Flat Grey) at hand. >>>>>>>>> We could keep Flat Grey and the best known at the moment >>>>>>> (obviously >>>>>>>>> BiznessTime at the moment). >>>>>>>>> The others would stay at http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhQ >>>>>>>>> This would be an easy deprecation policy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>> There were differing opinions about them. I suggested having >>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> theme in OFBiz, and the other themes could be provided >> outside >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> project - by theme providers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> David thought it would be good to have several themes in the >>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> in order to demonstrate the theme idea. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From my perspective, having more than one theme in the >> project >>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> that much more code that has to be maintained. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, no "theme deprecation" plan has been >>>>>>> discussed. >>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I may have missed this in general, but what is the plan to >>>>>>>> deprecate >>>>>>>>>>> themes when people aren't supporting them any longer? >> We've >>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>> got one that we want to do this to - and there will surely >> be >>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>>>> as we're trying to work out these backend interfaces. >>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, >>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> vote would be community votes and just removing them - but >> I'd >>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>> to hear what the original intention was and other good >> ideas >>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> |
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