Promotions, mutually exclusive

[Nick Rosser]

For example:

We have 3 promotions setup. One for 10% off, one for 20% off, one for
Free Shipping.

Each have a couple of promo-codes. So it looks something like this:

Promotion: TENPCTOFF, promo-codes TENOFF, TENPCT
Promotion: TWENTYOFF, promo-codes TWENTYOFF, TWENTYPCT
Promotion: FREESHIPPING, promo-code FREESHIP

Assuming all are active, there does not seem to be any way to make these
mutually exclusive. So, a customer can apply TENPCT + TWENTYOFF +
FREESHIP. Is that correct? No configurations to make them mutually
exclusive? Or take the biggest savings as the one to use?

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[Sanjeev Gupta]

I haven't seen anything on these lines either. Will probably need custom development to implements this feature.

[Nick Rosser]

Sanjeev,

Yep, I agree. Also read some older threads that indicated this was not
currently available. The suggestions in previous threads was to use the
conditions to control this. So, if you had two promos ("a" and "B") and
you didn't want to allow "A" to be combined with "B" then the conditions
for "B" would need to be defined in a "not condition" for "A".

This could work for simply combinations but when there are several
promos active at one time then it will be impossible to control. We will
implement a simple parameter to control this in BigFish -- happy to
contribute if folks think this is useful. We're also thinking about
having a matrix of possible combinations for the next version of
BigFish, again happy to contribute back to the project.

Best Regards,

Nick Rosser
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On 5/7/2012 7:19 AM, Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

> I haven't seen anything on these lines either. Will probably need custom
> development to implements this feature.
>
>
>
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[Sanjeev Gupta]

I Agree Nick, this can't be implemented as a simple "and" "or". With large deployment, there will be several permutation and combinations. It will have to be promotions extension as well as DB entity.

The way I look at it, there will be three kind of promotions
1) Promo's that can't be combined with any other promotions - typically the ones that are x% on your shopping carts.
2) Promo's that can clubbed with any other promotions - lets say get sunglasses free with shoes.
3) Finally the ones that can be only clubbed with specific promotions - this is were it'll get complex and will need the matrix or associations.

For the first two, you can work with just having another field to flag the promotions. For the third kind may need a new table itself to manage association..

[deb.panda]

Agreed!!! But just to gauge the promotions that is available in Ofbiz, to
the possible / "popular" promotions, I reckon we need a checklist.
I am not sure if this is available yet...

Deb



From:
Sanjeev Gupta <[hidden email]>
To:
[hidden email]
Date:
05/07/2012 08:15 PM
Subject:
Re: Promotions, mutually exclusive



I Agree Nick, this can't be implemented as a simple "and" "or". With large
deployment, there will be several permutation and combinations. It will
have
to be promotions extension as well as DB entity.

The way I look at it, there will be three kind of promotions
1) Promo's that can't be combined with any other promotions - typically
the
ones that are x% on your shopping carts.
2) Promo's that can clubbed with any other promotions - lets say get
sunglasses free with shoes.
3) Finally the ones that can be only clubbed with specific promotions -
this
is were it'll get complex and will need the matrix or associations.

For the first two, you can work with just having another field to flag the
promotions. For the third kind may need a new table itself to manage
association..



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[Rishi Solanki]

Here are my two cents on this thread;
There are two kind of promotions exists in OFBiz, 1) sale promotion and 2)
non sale promotion.
For the sale promotion isSale flag set to Y else N. Both promotion in turn
have their own capabilities that whether they are applicable using promo
code or not.

Now, in this case if sales manager provide all the multiple promo codes to
single customer then it is totally depended on the business requirement
they have, so would be good if we go thru the following options;

- Add additional field on the ProductPromo entity that whether user wants
to apply it if other promotions are already set into the cart or not. It
will work as once the promotion applies then it will remove all the other
promotion from the cart.
- Or add a promotion conflict screen which shows all the promotion
conflicts within the date range, and sales manager then resolve manually
one by one.

Sending additional parameter will tightly coupled the things from front
store and it will always apply the single promotion at a time. If you want
to go thru this option only, then better to add capability on product store
level so that the parameter will be configurable.

The reason behind this suggestion is, if any customer receives more than
one promo code from any website within same date range and if it is not
mention that the last  code won't work if newer applies in that case
customer always expect that the both code gives him discount mentioned.

Thanks for raising this, enjoy to think on it.

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Manager, Enterprise Software Development
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.
Direct: [phone]
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Agreed!!! But just to gauge the promotions that is available in Ofbiz, to
> the possible / "popular" promotions, I reckon we need a checklist.
> I am not sure if this is available yet...
>
> Deb
>
>
>
> From:
> Sanjeev Gupta <[hidden email]>
> To:
> [hidden email]
> Date:
> 05/07/2012 08:15 PM
> Subject:
> Re: Promotions, mutually exclusive
>
>
>
> I Agree Nick, this can't be implemented as a simple "and" "or". With large
> deployment, there will be several permutation and combinations. It will
> have
> to be promotions extension as well as DB entity.
>
> The way I look at it, there will be three kind of promotions
> 1) Promo's that can't be combined with any other promotions - typically
> the
> ones that are x% on your shopping carts.
> 2) Promo's that can clubbed with any other promotions - lets say get
> sunglasses free with shoes.
> 3) Finally the ones that can be only clubbed with specific promotions -
> this
> is were it'll get complex and will need the matrix or associations.
>
> For the first two, you can work with just having another field to flag the
> promotions. For the third kind may need a new table itself to manage
> association..
>
>
>
> -----
> Rgds
> Sanjeev
> www.sanjeevg.com
> @sanjeevgcom
> --
> View this message in context:
>
> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Promotions-mutually-exclusive-tp4604393p4614994.html
>
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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[Rishi Solanki]

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On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Rishi Solanki <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Here are my two cents on this thread;
> There are two kind of promotions exists in OFBiz, 1) sale promotion and 2)
> non sale promotion.
> For the sale promotion isSale flag set to Y else N. Both promotion in turn
> have their own capabilities that whether they are applicable using promo
> code or not.
>


Sorry the isSale flag is applicable to PriceRules not Promotion. So please
ignore the above point. The below is perfectly right. Thanks!

>
> Now, in this case if sales manager provide all the multiple promo codes to
> single customer then it is totally depended on the business requirement
> they have, so would be good if we go thru the following options;
>
> - Add additional field on the ProductPromo entity that whether user wants
> to apply it if other promotions are already set into the cart or not. It
> will work as once the promotion applies then it will remove all the other
> promotion from the cart.
> - Or add a promotion conflict screen which shows all the promotion
> conflicts within the date range, and sales manager then resolve manually
> one by one.
>
> Sending additional parameter will tightly coupled the things from front
> store and it will always apply the single promotion at a time. If you want
> to go thru this option only, then better to add capability on product store
> level so that the parameter will be configurable.
>
> The reason behind this suggestion is, if any customer receives more than
> one promo code from any website within same date range and if it is not
> mention that the last  code won't work if newer applies in that case
> customer always expect that the both code gives him discount mentioned.
>
> Thanks for raising this, enjoy to think on it.
>
> --
> Rishi Solanki
> Manager, Enterprise Software Development
> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.
> Direct: [phone]
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Agreed!!! But just to gauge the promotions that is available in Ofbiz, to
>> the possible / "popular" promotions, I reckon we need a checklist.
>> I am not sure if this is available yet...
>>
>> Deb
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> Sanjeev Gupta <[hidden email]>
>> To:
>> [hidden email]
>> Date:
>> 05/07/2012 08:15 PM
>> Subject:
>> Re: Promotions, mutually exclusive
>>
>>
>>
>> I Agree Nick, this can't be implemented as a simple "and" "or". With large
>> deployment, there will be several permutation and combinations. It will
>> have
>> to be promotions extension as well as DB entity.
>>
>> The way I look at it, there will be three kind of promotions
>> 1) Promo's that can't be combined with any other promotions - typically
>> the
>> ones that are x% on your shopping carts.
>> 2) Promo's that can clubbed with any other promotions - lets say get
>> sunglasses free with shoes.
>> 3) Finally the ones that can be only clubbed with specific promotions -
>> this
>> is were it'll get complex and will need the matrix or associations.
>>
>> For the first two, you can work with just having another field to flag the
>> promotions. For the third kind may need a new table itself to manage
>> association..
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Rgds
>> Sanjeev
>> www.sanjeevg.com
>> @sanjeevgcom
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>>
>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Promotions-mutually-exclusive-tp4604393p4614994.html
>>
>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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