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Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a consensus... Thanks Jacques ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki Hi Jacques, I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN wiki. Please move https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be able to work on it. Thanks Paul Foxworthy -- Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 2773 Cheltenham Vic 3192 Phone: (03) 9585 6788 Fax: (03) 9585 1086 Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ Email: [hidden email] Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ |
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The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and someone with permission can update the page. -David On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a consensus... > > Thanks > > Jacques > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Foxworthy > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM > Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki > > > Hi Jacques, > > I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN wiki. Please move https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be able to work on it. > > Thanks > > Paul Foxworthy > > -- > Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd > PO Box 2773 > Cheltenham Vic 3192 > Phone: (03) 9585 6788 > Fax: (03) 9585 1086 > Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ > Email: [hidden email] > > Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system > http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ |
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OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques.
I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should be able to ignore? If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. Cheers Paul Foxworthy
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The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie create a Jira issue. Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will be invited to have permissions to do it directly. -David On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: > OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. > > I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while > everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project > administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. > > I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we > have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% > right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the > last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. > > Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should > be able to ignore? > > If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the > procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. > > Cheers > > Paul Foxworthy > > > David E Jones-4 wrote: >> >> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... >> >> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >> someone with permission can update the page. >> >> -David >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking >>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>> consensus... >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Paul Foxworthy >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>> >>> >>> Hi Jacques, >>> >>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>> wiki. Please move >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>> able to work on it. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Paul Foxworthy >>> >>> -- >>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>> PO Box 2773 >>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>> Email: [hidden email] >>> >>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >> > > > -- > View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html > Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the
established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page to change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review changes anyway). Jacques PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> > > The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie create a Jira issue. > > Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will be > invited to have permissions to do it directly. > > -David > > > On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: > >> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >> >> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project >> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >> >> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we >> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% >> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the >> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >> >> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should >> be able to ignore? >> >> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul Foxworthy >> >> >> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>> >>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... >>> >>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >>> someone with permission can update the page. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking >>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>> consensus... >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Paul Foxworthy >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Jacques, >>>> >>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>>> wiki. Please move >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>>> able to work on it. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>> PO Box 2773 >>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>> >>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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Jacques, Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or no one) will notice them. We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, though technically not required (ie for legal something over a mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit contribution thingy). I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying it was the same as what I wrote. Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. -David On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the > established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page to > change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review > changes anyway). > > Jacques > PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? > > From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >> >> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie create a Jira issue. >> >> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will be >> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >> >> -David >> >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >> >>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>> >>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project >>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>> >>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we >>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% >>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the >>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>> >>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should >>> be able to ignore? >>> >>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Paul Foxworthy >>> >>> >>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>> >>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... >>>> >>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>> >>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking >>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>> consensus... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>> >>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>>>> able to work on it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > |
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> Jacques, > > Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p >There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or no one) will notice them. You may use Confluence for that see https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action >We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, though technically not required (ie for legal something over a >mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit contribution thingy). > > I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying > it was the same as what I wrote. > > Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as > you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if > you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and > don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments > are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights for that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments advantage: Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilà. Still the delegate and KISS way: as you said license granting is not required . Jacques > > -David > > > On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the >> established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page >> to >> change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review >> changes anyway). >> >> Jacques >> PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same >> structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? >> >> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>> >>> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie create a Jira issue. >>> >>> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will >>> be >>> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >>> >>>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>>> >>>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project >>>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>>> >>>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we >>>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% >>>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the >>>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>>> >>>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should >>>> be able to ignore? >>>> >>>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>> >>>> >>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >>>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >>>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >>>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... >>>>> >>>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >>>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>> >>>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking >>>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>>> consensus... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>> >>>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>>>>> able to work on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>>>> >>>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> > |
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On May 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >> Jacques, >> >> Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? > > http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p Yeah, that was nearly 5 years ago. I would hope we could make progress in that time, especially for this sort of low frequency thing that is easily lost. >> There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or no one) will notice them. > > You may use Confluence for that see https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action Yes, but how many committers have Confluence notifications setup, and how many want them? >> We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, though technically not required (ie for legal something over a >> mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit contribution thingy). >> >> I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying >> it was the same as what I wrote. >> >> Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as >> you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if >> you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and >> don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments >> are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. > > I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights for that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of > Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments advantage: Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilà. Still the > delegate and KISS way: as you said license granting is not required . If it works, fine. If I were contributing something to Confluence I would use a Jira issue to do it and keep track of it, and that's what I was trying to communicate to Paul. Otherwise I, as a contributor, would have to monitor and keep track of it instead of having a system to help with that. Just an FYI: Jira comments also support Confluence style formatting. -David >> On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the >>> established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page >>> to >>> change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review >>> changes anyway). >>> >>> Jacques >>> PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same >>> structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? >>> >>> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie create a Jira issue. >>>> >>>> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will >>>> be >>>> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>>>> >>>>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>>>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project >>>>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>>>> >>>>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we >>>>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% >>>>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the >>>>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>>>> >>>>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should >>>>> be able to ignore? >>>>> >>>>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>>>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >>>>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >>>>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >>>>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... >>>>>> >>>>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >>>>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking >>>>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>>>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>>>> consensus... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>>>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>>>>>> able to work on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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I have done both, then I read the rest of this thread. Jacques, I don't have any images. Sharan or Ruth might want to supply one. May our next discussion be about something more substantial... Cheers Paul Foxworthy
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> On May 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>> Jacques, >>> >>> Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? >> >> http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p > > Yeah, that was nearly 5 years ago. I would hope we could make progress in that time, especially for this sort of low frequency > thing that is easily lost. > >>> There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or no one) will notice them. >> >> You may use Confluence for that see https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action > > Yes, but how many committers have Confluence notifications setup, and how many want them? > >>> We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, though technically not required (ie for legal something over >>> a >>> mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit contribution thingy). >>> >>> I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were >>> saying >>> it was the same as what I wrote. >>> >>> Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and >>> as >>> you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if >>> you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and >>> don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a couple of people instead of to the mailing list). >>> Comments >>> are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. >> >> I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights for that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of >> Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments advantage: Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilà. Still >> the >> delegate and KISS way: as you said license granting is not required . > > If it works, fine. If I were contributing something to Confluence I would use a Jira issue to do it and keep track of it, and > that's what I was trying to communicate to Paul. Otherwise I, as a contributor, would have to monitor and keep track of it instead > of having a system to help with that. Yes it works fine > Just an FYI: Jira comments also support Confluence style formatting. Not sure for all, like images and thumbnails, which is what I have asked Paul about. Because the book page is the more complicated one on that aspect. Anyway I think Sharan and Ruth are big enough to ask by themself and to provide the elements for this new section. Jacques > -David > > > >>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the >>>> established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page >>>> to >>>> change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review >>>> changes anyway). >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same >>>> structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? >>>> >>>> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie create a Jira issue. >>>>> >>>>> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will >>>>> be >>>>> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>>>>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the project >>>>>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we >>>>>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% >>>>>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct the >>>>>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should >>>>>> be able to ignore? >>>>>> >>>>>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>>>>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >>>>>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >>>>>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >>>>>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we are... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >>>>>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and checking >>>>>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>>>>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>>>>> consensus... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>>>>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>>>>>>> able to work on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>>>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Done, thanks Paul
Jacques From: "Paul Foxworthy" <[hidden email]> > Wow, > > I have done both, then I read the rest of this thread. > > Jacques, I don't have any images. Sharan or Ruth might want to supply one. > > May our next discussion be about something more substantial... > > Cheers > > Paul Foxworthy > > > David E Jones-4 wrote: >> >> On May 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>>> Jacques, >>>> >>>> Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? >>> >>> http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p >> >> Yeah, that was nearly 5 years ago. I would hope we could make progress in >> that time, especially for this sort of low frequency thing that is easily >> lost. >> >>>> There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or >>>> no one) will notice them. >>> >>> You may use Confluence for that see >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action >> >> Yes, but how many committers have Confluence notifications setup, and how >> many want them? >> >>>> We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, >>>> though technically not required (ie for legal something over a >>>> mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit >>>> contribution thingy). >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very >>>> different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying >>>> it was the same as what I wrote. >>>> >>>> Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many >>>> contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as >>>> you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds >>>> about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if >>>> you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through >>>> the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and >>>> don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a >>>> couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments >>>> are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have >>>> notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. >>> >>> I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights >>> for that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of >>> Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments >>> advantage: Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilà. Still the >>> delegate and KISS way: as you said license granting is not required . >> >> If it works, fine. If I were contributing something to Confluence I would >> use a Jira issue to do it and keep track of it, and that's what I was >> trying to communicate to Paul. Otherwise I, as a contributor, would have >> to monitor and keep track of it instead of having a system to help with >> that. >> >> Just an FYI: Jira comments also support Confluence style formatting. >> >> -David >> >> >> >>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> >>>>> Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I >>>>> think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the >>>>> established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to >>>>> suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page >>>>> to >>>>> change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more >>>>> work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review >>>>> changes anyway). >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the >>>>> procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same >>>>> structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? >>>>> >>>>> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie >>>>>> create a Jira issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. >>>>>> If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will >>>>>> be >>>>>> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>>>>>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right >>>>>>> or we >>>>>>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to >>>>>>> be 90% >>>>>>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly >>>>>>> correct the >>>>>>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> be able to ignore? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>>>>>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce >>>>>>>> quantity >>>>>>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to >>>>>>>> commit. >>>>>>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we >>>>>>>> are... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and >>>>>>>>> checking >>>>>>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my >>>>>>>>> own. >>>>>>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>>>>>> consensus... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>>>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the >>>>>>>>> OFBADMIN >>>>>>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>>>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> able to work on it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>>>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>>>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>>>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>>>>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>>>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3497602.html > Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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