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I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something that works really well for that there are many open source projects that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence <<but if you're looking for something that works really well for that there are many open source projects that do a great job there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> What do you think ? Jacques From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> Hi, In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction paragraph that reads : "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions .... " To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we should take it as a base line to build applications using that frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for something that works really well for that there are many open source projects that do a great job there. " What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we are suggesting here? Please provide your views .. regards Sastry |
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Hi Jacques:
IMHO, keep it simple and to the point. How about: Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to suite even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. My 2 cents. Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, > be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something > that works really well for that there are many open source projects that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating > specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB > application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise > systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> > > It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an > usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence <<but if you're looking for something that works really well > for that there are many open source projects that do a great job there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects > that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather > for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. > > I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or > one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other > organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their > operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be > unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> > > What do you think ? > > Jacques > > From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> > Hi, > > In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction paragraph that reads : > "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions .... " > > To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we should take it as a base line to build applications using that > frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. > > "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for something that works really well for that there are many open source > projects that do a great job there. " > > What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we > are suggesting here? > > > Please provide your views .. > > regards > Sastry > > > |
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Ruth,
That sounds great! Wow. -Adrian Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi Jacques: > IMHO, keep it simple and to the point. How about: > Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and > scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize > to suite even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, > you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your > business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of > traditional enterprise automation systems. > > My 2 cents. > Ruth > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache OFBiz >> is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz is >> also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find the >> deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >> unjustifiable.>> >> >> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like that) >> to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder >> if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >> >> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting >> point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or >> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >> >> What do you think ? >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >> Hi, >> >> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >> paragraph that reads : >> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >> solutions .... " >> >> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >> >> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for something >> that works really well for that there are many open source >> projects that do a great job there. " >> >> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not really >> work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >> are suggesting here? >> >> >> Please provide your views .. >> >> regards >> Sastry >> >> >> > |
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Thanks.
Wanna buy the book? ;-) Just kidding. Glad I could help. Ruth Adrian Crum wrote: > Ruth, > > That sounds great! Wow. > > -Adrian > > Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi Jacques: >> IMHO, keep it simple and to the point. How about: >> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure >> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or >> customize to suite even your most challenging business needs. With >> OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your >> operations as your business grows, without the huge deployment and >> maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. >> >> My 2 cents. >> Ruth >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache >>> OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >>> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >>> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >>> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >>> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >>> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz >>> is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >>> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find >>> the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >>> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >>> unjustifiable.>> >>> >>> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like >>> that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >>> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >>> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >>> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >>> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >>> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder >>> if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >>> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >>> >>> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting >>> point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or >>> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >>> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >>> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >>> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >>> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >>> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >>> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >>> >>> What do you think ? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >>> paragraph that reads : >>> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >>> solutions .... " >>> >>> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >>> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >>> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >>> >>> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for >>> something that works really well for that there are many open source >>> projects that do a great job there. " >>> >>> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not >>> really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >>> are suggesting here? >>> >>> >>> Please provide your views .. >>> >>> regards >>> Sastry >>> >>> >>> >> > |
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Yes, I like it too, I always prefer the KISS approach
Jacques From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> > Ruth, > > That sounds great! Wow. > > -Adrian > > Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi Jacques: >> IMHO, keep it simple and to the point. How about: >> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and >> scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize >> to suite even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, >> you can get started right away and then grow your operations as your >> business grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of >> traditional enterprise automation systems. >> >> My 2 cents. >> Ruth >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache OFBiz >>> is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >>> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >>> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >>> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >>> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >>> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz is >>> also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >>> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find the >>> deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >>> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >>> unjustifiable.>> >>> >>> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like that) >>> to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >>> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >>> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >>> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >>> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >>> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder >>> if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >>> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >>> >>> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting >>> point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or >>> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >>> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >>> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >>> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >>> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >>> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >>> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >>> >>> What do you think ? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >>> paragraph that reads : >>> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >>> solutions .... " >>> >>> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >>> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >>> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >>> >>> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for something >>> that works really well for that there are many open source >>> projects that do a great job there. " >>> >>> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not really >>> work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >>> are suggesting here? >>> >>> >>> Please provide your views .. >>> >>> regards >>> Sastry >>> >>> >>> >> > |
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Please, feel free to use all or part.
Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Yes, I like it too, I always prefer the KISS approach > > Jacques > > From: "Adrian Crum" <[hidden email]> >> Ruth, >> >> That sounds great! Wow. >> >> -Adrian >> >> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> Hi Jacques: >>> IMHO, keep it simple and to the point. How about: >>> Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure >>> and scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or >>> customize to suite even your most challenging business needs. With >>> OFBiz in place, you can get started right away and then grow your >>> operations as your business grows, without the huge deployment and >>> maintenance costs of traditional enterprise automation systems. >>> >>> My 2 cents. >>> Ruth >>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache >>>> OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >>>> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >>>> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >>>> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >>>> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >>>> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz >>>> is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >>>> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find >>>> the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >>>> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >>>> unjustifiable.>> >>>> >>>> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like >>>> that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >>>> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >>>> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >>>> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >>>> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >>>> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I >>>> wonder if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >>>> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >>>> >>>> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and >>>> starting point for enterprise solutions, be they for one >>>> organization or >>>> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >>>> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >>>> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >>>> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >>>> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >>>> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >>>> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >>>> >>>> What do you think ? >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >>>> paragraph that reads : >>>> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >>>> solutions .... " >>>> >>>> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >>>> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >>>> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >>>> >>>> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for >>>> something that works really well for that there are many open source >>>> projects that do a great job there. " >>>> >>>> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not >>>> really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >>>> are suggesting here? >>>> >>>> >>>> Please provide your views .. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> Sastry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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Why not just get rid of that page in the cms example? It is a copy of the OLD OLD web site (yeah, not just the old one, but the OLD OLD one) and has simply not been updated for years. I protested it being put there in the first place because of the old axiom: redundancy inevitably leads to inconsistency. -David On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache > OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, > be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be > used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something > that works really well for that there are many open source projects > that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating > specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz > is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB > application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find > the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise > systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or > unjustifiable.>> > > It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like > that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an > usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence > <<but if you're looking for something that works really well > for that there are many open source projects that do a great job > there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects > that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder > if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather > for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. > > I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting > point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or > one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is > great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other > organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more > than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their > operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of > traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be > unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> > > What do you think ? > > Jacques > > From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> > Hi, > > In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction > paragraph that reads : > "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise > solutions .... " > > To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we > should take it as a base line to build applications using that > frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. > > "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for > something that works really well for that there are many open source > projects that do a great job there. " > > What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not > really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we > are suggesting here? > > > Please provide your views .. > > regards > Sastry > |
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I was not speaking about OFBIZ_SITE content in CMS but about the page at http://ofbiz.apache.org/
I think we should better replace (than completly remove which would then broke OfbizsiteScreens.xml) this page in Content (actually ofbizMain.ftl) with something simpler without need to update later... Jacques From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> > > Why not just get rid of that page in the cms example? It is a copy of > the OLD OLD web site (yeah, not just the old one, but the OLD OLD one) > and has simply not been updated for years. I protested it being put > there in the first place because of the old axiom: redundancy > inevitably leads to inconsistency. > > -David > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache >> OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz >> is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find >> the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >> unjustifiable.>> >> >> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like >> that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder >> if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >> >> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting >> point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or >> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >> >> What do you think ? >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >> Hi, >> >> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >> paragraph that reads : >> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >> solutions .... " >> >> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >> >> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for >> something that works really well for that there are many open source >> projects that do a great job there. " >> >> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not >> really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >> are suggesting here? >> >> >> Please provide your views .. >> >> regards >> Sastry >> > |
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+1 - contents looks good to me.
-- Ashish On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Jacques: > IMHO, keep it simple and to the point. How about: > Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and > scalable enterprise solutions. Use it out-of-the-box (OOTB) or customize to > suite even your most challenging business needs. With OFBiz in place, you > can get started right away and then grow your operations as your business > grows, without the huge deployment and maintenance costs of traditional > enterprise automation systems. > > My 2 cents. > Ruth > > |
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Interesting... thanks, I had forgotten that the old content was merged in with the new design before it was deployed. This discussion has come up before and I agree the text needs to be changed... and here I was thinking that with the new design it was changed, but I never checked that. So yes, I agree it needs to be changed. If anyone has other ideas for specific wording, please comment! Otherwise... it looks like whatever you say goes Jacques! -David On Aug 22, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > I was not speaking about OFBIZ_SITE content in CMS but about the > page at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ > I think we should better replace (than completly remove which would > then broke OfbizsiteScreens.xml) this page in Content (actually > ofbizMain.ftl) with something simpler without need to update later... > > Jacques > > From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >> >> Why not just get rid of that page in the cms example? It is a copy of >> the OLD OLD web site (yeah, not just the old one, but the OLD OLD >> one) >> and has simply not been updated for years. I protested it being put >> there in the first place because of the old axiom: redundancy >> inevitably leads to inconsistency. >> >> -David >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache >>> OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >>> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >>> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >>> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >>> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >>> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz >>> is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >>> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find >>> the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >>> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >>> unjustifiable.>> >>> >>> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like >>> that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >>> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >>> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >>> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >>> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >>> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder >>> if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >>> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >>> >>> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting >>> point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or >>> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >>> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >>> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >>> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >>> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >>> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >>> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >>> >>> What do you think ? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >>> paragraph that reads : >>> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >>> solutions .... " >>> >>> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >>> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >>> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >>> >>> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for >>> something that works really well for that there are many open source >>> projects that do a great job there. " >>> >>> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not >>> really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >>> are suggesting here? >>> >>> >>> Please provide your views .. >>> >>> regards >>> Sastry >>> > |
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I will commit Ruth's proposed change and a link to ASF's sponsors, ASA I will recover my slammed ADSL line...
I agree with you that it does not make much sense to have the old old site as a CMS example. Unless someone wants to update it (but we should expect this to happen in the future too...), I propose to, at least, remove the link to it from the "secondary buttons bar". If nobody see a problem with that, I will remove it when I will get my ADSL connection back. Jacques From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: ofbiz about ofbiz > > Interesting... thanks, I had forgotten that the old content was merged > in with the new design before it was deployed. This discussion has > come up before and I agree the text needs to be changed... and here I > was thinking that with the new design it was changed, but I never > checked that. > > So yes, I agree it needs to be changed. > > If anyone has other ideas for specific wording, please comment! > Otherwise... it looks like whatever you say goes Jacques! > > -David > > > On Aug 22, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> I was not speaking about OFBIZ_SITE content in CMS but about the >> page at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ >> I think we should better replace (than completly remove which would >> then broke OfbizsiteScreens.xml) this page in Content (actually >> ofbizMain.ftl) with something simpler without need to update later... >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >>> >>> Why not just get rid of that page in the cms example? It is a copy of >>> the OLD OLD web site (yeah, not just the old one, but the OLD OLD >>> one) >>> and has simply not been updated for years. I protested it being put >>> there in the first place because of the old axiom: redundancy >>> inevitably leads to inconsistency. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I wonder if we should not change a bit this paragraph:. <<Apache >>>> OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise solutions, >>>> be they for one organization or one million. OFBiz can certainly be >>>> used OOTB (out of the box), but if you're looking for something >>>> that works really well for that there are many open source projects >>>> that do a great job there. OFBiz is great for creating >>>> specialized applications for use OOTB by other organizations. OFBiz >>>> is also great for organizations that need more than what an OOTB >>>> application can offer in order to grow their operations, but find >>>> the deployment and maintenance costs of traditional enterprise >>>> systems that can handle such things to be unreasonable or >>>> unjustifiable.>> >>>> >>>> It seems (Sastry was not the only one who interpretated it like >>>> that) to suggest that OFBiz is more a framework to build on, than an >>>> usable software OOTB. Actually, what makes me worry is the sentence >>>> <<but if you're looking for something that works really well >>>> for that there are many open source projects that do a great job >>>> there>> For me, this means that there are a lot of other projects >>>> that are designed to be used OOTB. But, from my experience, I wonder >>>> if some persons do not interpret this phrase as <<look rather >>>> for an application built on OFBiz and ready to use>>. >>>> >>>> I'd propose to simplify: <<Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting >>>> point for enterprise solutions, be they for one organization or >>>> one million. OFBiz can be used OOTB (out of the box), and OFBiz is >>>> great for creating specialized applications for use OOTB by other >>>> organizations. OFBiz is also great for organizations that need more >>>> than what an OOTB application can offer in order to grow their >>>> operations, but find the deployment and maintenance costs of >>>> traditional enterprise systems that can handle such things to be >>>> unreasonable or unjustifiable.>> >>>> >>>> What do you think ? >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "sastry mln" <[hidden email]> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> In https://demo.ofbiz.org/ofbiz/cms/cms , there is an Introduction >>>> paragraph that reads : >>>> "Apache OFBiz is a foundation and starting point for enterprise >>>> solutions .... " >>>> >>>> To me it suggests that OfBiz may not be fully usable OOTB and we >>>> should take it as a base line to build applications using that >>>> frameworks & tools that come with ofbiz. >>>> >>>> "OFBiz can certainly be used OOTB, but if you're looking for >>>> something that works really well for that there are many open source >>>> projects that do a great job there. " >>>> >>>> What aspect of functionality this refers to, that does not >>>> really work well in ofbiz ? and what other open source projects we >>>> are suggesting here? >>>> >>>> >>>> Please provide your views .. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> Sastry >>>> >> > |
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>> If nobody see a problem with that, I will remove it when I will get
my ADSL connection back. Should I ask BSNL (http://www.bsnl.co.in/) to provide internet services in your area Jacques ;o) ? -- Ashish Jacques Le Roux wrote: > I will commit Ruth's proposed change and a link to ASF's sponsors, ASA > I will recover my slammed ADSL line... > > I agree with you that it does not make much sense to have the old old > site as a CMS example. > Unless someone wants to update it (but we should expect this to happen > in the future too...), I propose to, at least, remove the link to it > from the "secondary buttons bar". If nobody see a problem with that, I > will remove it when I will get my ADSL connection back. > > Jacques > |
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