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[cjhowe]

If you intened that to be an apology that would
solicit a peace in the real world, it wasn't.  Just as
your original question wasn't a question that would
solicit the answer you were looking for.  But I
appreciate the attempt and accept it as an apology,
since this isn't the real world.  

I would like to reply to a specific part of your last
post:

>>Come and work i seattle for Amazon, google microsoft
and see how >>good your skills are. Could you pass the
interview? Could you >>cut it on the compiler team?

I think this is the point of working on an Open Source
project.  None of us make our money off of "writing"
code for OFBiz.  To be sure, there are a few who make
money off of consulting based on their knowledge of
the OFBiz code.  To which, perhaps you could fork up
some dough and pay them to solve your problems if
you're unsatisfied with the free responses.  

With the exception of perhaps Microsoft, none of those
companies have written code that actually makes them
money since about 1998.  And even Microsoft, you can
attribute additional revenue to marketing more than to
any "better" code.

But as Jacques pointed out, most of us are "junior"
engineers, if that. I would encourage you, Andrew, to
look at upgrading to a rather recent SVN (perhaps the
latest sequoia).  There may be issues that you'll need
to look out for, but they're mostly documented in the
wiki and more of the people on this list have dealt
with those issues.  You'll probably get more
intelligent responses (read mind reading) as more
people have knowledge of the recent builds and aren't
having to fish around for frustrating circumstances
that occured two years ago.  
 
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[Mat Sto]

Chris mate - again I read what you write and it's absolute bollocks - no one has written any code that has made money since 1998 Stop you're killing me.

 

Upgrading to what? A nightly build that you can't guarantee will work? No tests, no structure no release management. There's a lot of issues when releasing software in to production that I qouldn't want to do given the current state of the code/project. It's huge risk.

 

I hear what you are saying but you are way off the mark. I know you have good intentions.

 

I'm sincerely sorry about my comments, I was a jerk. Sorry.

 

On 2/3/06, Chris Howe <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you intened that to be an apology that would
solicit a peace in the real world, it wasn't.  Just as
your original question wasn't a question that would
solicit the answer you were looking for.  But I
appreciate the attempt and accept it as an apology,
since this isn't the real world.

I would like to reply to a specific part of your last
post:

>>Come and work i seattle for Amazon, google microsoft
and see how >>good your skills are. Could you pass the
interview? Could you >>cut it on the compiler team?

I think this is the point of working on an Open Source
project.  None of us make our money off of "writing"
code for OFBiz.  To be sure, there are a few who make
money off of consulting based on their knowledge of
the OFBiz code.  To which, perhaps you could fork up
some dough and pay them to solve your problems if
you're unsatisfied with the free responses.

With the exception of perhaps Microsoft, none of those
companies have written code that actually makes them
money since about 1998.  And even Microsoft, you can
attribute additional revenue to marketing more than to
any "better" code.

But as Jacques pointed out, most of us are "junior"
engineers, if that. I would encourage you, Andrew, to
look at upgrading to a rather recent SVN (perhaps the
latest sequoia).  There may be issues that you'll need
to look out for, but they're mostly documented in the
wiki and more of the people on this list have dealt
with those issues.  You'll probably get more
intelligent responses (read mind reading) as more
people have knowledge of the recent builds and aren't
having to fish around for frustrating circumstances
that occured two years ago.

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[Si Chen-2]

Wow...What is happening here?  This is not how the OFBiz mailing list is.

If you want a stable release you can upgrade from/to, check out
www.sequoiaerp.org.  0.8.3 is relatively production ready and functional
though older.  We'll hopefully do 0.9 soon.  Then you can upgrade.

Si

Mat Sto wrote:

> Chris mate - again I read what you write and it's absolute bollocks -
> no one has written any code that has made money since 1998 Stop you're
> killing me.
>  
> Upgrading to what? A nightly build that you can't guarantee will work?
> No tests, no structure no release management. There's a lot of issues
> when releasing software in to production that I qouldn't want to do
> given the current state of the code/project. It's huge risk.
>  
> I hear what you are saying but you are way off the mark. I know you
> have good intentions.
>  
> I'm sincerely sorry about my comments, I was a jerk. Sorry.
>
>  
> On 2/3/06, *Chris Howe* <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     If you intened that to be an apology that would
>     solicit a peace in the real world, it wasn't.  Just as
>     your original question wasn't a question that would
>     solicit the answer you were looking for.  But I
>     appreciate the attempt and accept it as an apology,
>     since this isn't the real world.
>
>     I would like to reply to a specific part of your last
>     post:
>
>     >>Come and work i seattle for Amazon, google microsoft
>     and see how >>good your skills are. Could you pass the
>     interview? Could you >>cut it on the compiler team?
>
>     I think this is the point of working on an Open Source
>     project.  None of us make our money off of "writing"
>     code for OFBiz.  To be sure, there are a few who make
>     money off of consulting based on their knowledge of
>     the OFBiz code.  To which, perhaps you could fork up
>     some dough and pay them to solve your problems if
>     you're unsatisfied with the free responses.
>
>     With the exception of perhaps Microsoft, none of those
>     companies have written code that actually makes them
>     money since about 1998.  And even Microsoft, you can
>     attribute additional revenue to marketing more than to
>     any "better" code.
>
>     But as Jacques pointed out, most of us are "junior"
>     engineers, if that. I would encourage you, Andrew, to
>     look at upgrading to a rather recent SVN (perhaps the
>     latest sequoia).  There may be issues that you'll need
>     to look out for, but they're mostly documented in the
>     wiki and more of the people on this list have dealt
>     with those issues.  You'll probably get more
>     intelligent responses (read mind reading) as more
>     people have knowledge of the recent builds and aren't
>     having to fish around for frustrating circumstances
>     that occured two years ago.
>
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[Sterling Okura]

OK, I need to pull my head out of the code and actually check in on the
lists more often.

I have a handful of OFBiz sites in production, and all have different code
snapshots from over the years.  I did one upgrade and swore to never do it
again because of all of the data model changes and having to redo all my
html customizations (switched from jsp to ftl).

I love OFBiz's robust framework, useful features, and tons of developer
tools (I still "discover" helpful new methods in workers & services every
week).  Having a stable release with an upgradable path is HUGE.  I'm
definitely going to try sequoia for my next deployment.

Si, thank you for all of your OFBiz contributions sir.  I am so grateful, I
just added your name next to David & Andy on my "Heroes" section of MySpace.
**grin**

-sterling

-----Original Message-----
From: Si Chen [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:10 PM
To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
Subject: Re: [OFBiz] Users - JOB _SANDBOX

...If you want a stable release you can upgrade from/to, check out
www.sequoiaerp.org.  0.8.3 is relatively production ready and functional
though older.  We'll hopefully do 0.9 soon.  Then you can upgrade.

Si


 
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