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[cjhowe]

Of those three companies, Amazon, Google, and
Microsoft, none of them have written code that
specifically generates profit for a while.  AdSense
makes up 99% of Google's revenue is a simple script
that takes advantage of their Adwords, been around
since 2000...sorry my estimation was a bit off.
Amazon makes money off of selling product, not off of
code.  Software is a cost center for them.    They
have software related ventures, but are not making
money off of them.  Microsoft on the other hand does
sell software, but like I eluded to, their ability to
make money by selling software is due more to their
marketing and distribution prowess then to the quality
of their software.  The sofware they do sell depending
on who you talk to has not changed significantly for
the consumer since Windows 95.  While they have added
bunches and bunches of code since then, it's overkill
for their cash cow consumers.

With all due respect to David et al, my understanding
is that Ofbiz 3.0 was a nightly build put out strictly
to say "here's a release, now get off our backs for a
while."  But, I've only been kicking the tires on
Ofbiz since fall 04, so I can't authoratively say
that.  Open Source software is inherrently NOT
GAURANTEED TO WORK, release cycle or not.  It
practically says as much on EVERY single source page.

In regards to release management, ERP is not something
you can easily just put on a shelf and say "hey,
here's something that will work for your company".
That's why Oracle and well I guess it's pretty much
just Oracle now (and SAP) and the likes charge tens of
millions of dollars to do an installation (that's
right 10 million +).   If I expect release management
from Ofbiz, then I owe David A LOT of money.

=========== I think Andrew wrote:
Chris mate - again I read what you write and it's
absolute bollocks - no one
has written any code that has made money since 1998
Stop you're killing me.

Upgrading to what? A nightly build that you can't
guarantee will work? No
tests, no structure no release management. There's a
lot of issues when
releasing software in to production that I qouldn't
want to do given the
current state of the code/project. It's huge risk.

I hear what you are saying but you are way off the
mark. I know you have
good intentions.

I'm sincerely sorry about my comments, I was a jerk.
Sorry.


On 2/3/06, Chris Howe <cjhowe76013 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> If you intened that to be an apology that would
> solicit a peace in the real world, it wasn't.  Just
as
> your original question wasn't a question that would
> solicit the answer you were looking for.  But I
> appreciate the attempt and accept it as an apology,
> since this isn't the real world.
>
> I would like to reply to a specific part of your
last
> post:
>
> >>Come and work i seattle for Amazon, google
microsoft
> and see how >>good your skills are. Could you pass
the
> interview? Could you >>cut it on the compiler team?
>
> I think this is the point of working on an Open
Source
> project.  None of us make our money off of "writing"
> code for OFBiz.  To be sure, there are a few who
make
> money off of consulting based on their knowledge of
> the OFBiz code.  To which, perhaps you could fork up
> some dough and pay them to solve your problems if
> you're unsatisfied with the free responses.
>
> With the exception of perhaps Microsoft, none of
those
> companies have written code that actually makes them
> money since about 1998.  And even Microsoft, you can
> attribute additional revenue to marketing more than
to
> any "better" code.
>
> But as Jacques pointed out, most of us are "junior"
> engineers, if that. I would encourage you, Andrew,
to
> look at upgrading to a rather recent SVN (perhaps
the
> latest sequoia).  There may be issues that you'll
need
> to look out for, but they're mostly documented in
the
> wiki and more of the people on this list have dealt
> with those issues.  You'll probably get more
> intelligent responses (read mind reading) as more
> people have knowledge of the recent builds and
aren't
> having to fish around for frustrating circumstances
> that occured two years ago.
>
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[Andrew Sykes]

Come on guys, that's enough!


On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:26 -0800, Chris Howe wrote:

> Of those three companies, Amazon, Google, and
> Microsoft, none of them have written code that
> specifically generates profit for a while.  AdSense
> makes up 99% of Google's revenue is a simple script
> that takes advantage of their Adwords, been around
> since 2000...sorry my estimation was a bit off.
> Amazon makes money off of selling product, not off of
> code.  Software is a cost center for them.    They
> have software related ventures, but are not making
> money off of them.  Microsoft on the other hand does
> sell software, but like I eluded to, their ability to
> make money by selling software is due more to their
> marketing and distribution prowess then to the quality
> of their software.  The sofware they do sell depending
> on who you talk to has not changed significantly for
> the consumer since Windows 95.  While they have added
> bunches and bunches of code since then, it's overkill
> for their cash cow consumers.
>
> With all due respect to David et al, my understanding
> is that Ofbiz 3.0 was a nightly build put out strictly
> to say "here's a release, now get off our backs for a
> while."  But, I've only been kicking the tires on
> Ofbiz since fall 04, so I can't authoratively say
> that.  Open Source software is inherrently NOT
> GAURANTEED TO WORK, release cycle or not.  It
> practically says as much on EVERY single source page.
>
> In regards to release management, ERP is not something
> you can easily just put on a shelf and say "hey,
> here's something that will work for your company".
> That's why Oracle and well I guess it's pretty much
> just Oracle now (and SAP) and the likes charge tens of
> millions of dollars to do an installation (that's
> right 10 million +).   If I expect release management
> from Ofbiz, then I owe David A LOT of money.
>
> =========== I think Andrew wrote:
> Chris mate - again I read what you write and it's
> absolute bollocks - no one
> has written any code that has made money since 1998
> Stop you're killing me.
>
> Upgrading to what? A nightly build that you can't
> guarantee will work? No
> tests, no structure no release management. There's a
> lot of issues when
> releasing software in to production that I qouldn't
> want to do given the
> current state of the code/project. It's huge risk.
>
> I hear what you are saying but you are way off the
> mark. I know you have
> good intentions.
>
> I'm sincerely sorry about my comments, I was a jerk.
> Sorry.
>
>
> On 2/3/06, Chris Howe <cjhowe76013 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you intened that to be an apology that would
> > solicit a peace in the real world, it wasn't.  Just
> as
> > your original question wasn't a question that would
> > solicit the answer you were looking for.  But I
> > appreciate the attempt and accept it as an apology,
> > since this isn't the real world.
> >
> > I would like to reply to a specific part of your
> last
> > post:
> >
> > >>Come and work i seattle for Amazon, google
> microsoft
> > and see how >>good your skills are. Could you pass
> the
> > interview? Could you >>cut it on the compiler team?
> >
> > I think this is the point of working on an Open
> Source
> > project.  None of us make our money off of "writing"
> > code for OFBiz.  To be sure, there are a few who
> make
> > money off of consulting based on their knowledge of
> > the OFBiz code.  To which, perhaps you could fork up
> > some dough and pay them to solve your problems if
> > you're unsatisfied with the free responses.
> >
> > With the exception of perhaps Microsoft, none of
> those
> > companies have written code that actually makes them
> > money since about 1998.  And even Microsoft, you can
> > attribute additional revenue to marketing more than
> to
> > any "better" code.
> >
> > But as Jacques pointed out, most of us are "junior"
> > engineers, if that. I would encourage you, Andrew,
> to
> > look at upgrading to a rather recent SVN (perhaps
> the
> > latest sequoia).  There may be issues that you'll
> need
> > to look out for, but they're mostly documented in
> the
> > wiki and more of the people on this list have dealt
> > with those issues.  You'll probably get more
> > intelligent responses (read mind reading) as more
> > people have knowledge of the recent builds and
> aren't
> > having to fish around for frustrating circumstances
> > that occured two years ago.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.ofbiz.org
> > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >
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