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I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it would maybe be good to gather requirements for different countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than general EU. I could put them there. Resources : http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 |
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Hi Marek,
if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I would gather all information necessary for german VAT. Greetings, Roland Marek Mosiewicz wrote: > Welcome > > I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it > would maybe be good to gather requirements for different countries on on > Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than > general EU. I could put them there. > > > Resources : > http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 > > |
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I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT
There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in some cases it is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also different types of documents, like customer refund, export invoice, import invoice. In Poland is even document for correcting invoice (partial refund or increase of invoice). Greeting, Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: VAT > Hi Marek, > > if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I would > gather all information necessary for german VAT. > > Greetings, > Roland > > Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >> Welcome >> >> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it >> would maybe be good to gather requirements for different countries on on >> Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than >> general EU. I could put them there. >> >> >> Resources : >> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >> >> > > |
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Hi Marek,
in germany you have to be careful about a valid EU VAT ID: if buyer is outside germany and has a valid id (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?selectedLanguage=EN), no VAT has to be applied. Reporting varies in germany: may be monthly, quarterly (yearly?). you may correct your monthly declarations at the end of year with your final report. what do you mean with: > Reports can be separated per "Registry" --Roland Marek Mosiewicz wrote: > I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT > There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european > trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in some cases it > is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also > different types of documents, like customer refund, export invoice, > import invoice. In Poland is even document for correcting invoice > (partial refund or increase of invoice). > > > Greeting, > Marek > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: VAT > > >> Hi Marek, >> >> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I >> would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >> >> Greetings, >> Roland >> >> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>> Welcome >>> >>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However >>> it would maybe be good to gather requirements for different >>> countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some >>> more specific than general EU. I could put them there. >>> >>> >>> Resources : >>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>> >>> >> >> > |
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Pretty neats ideas, here is the page
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document#NewFeaturesRoadmap-LivingDocument-CompletethesupportforVAT(ValueAddedTax) Jacques From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> > Hi Marek, > > if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I would gather all information necessary for german VAT. > > Greetings, > Roland > > Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >> Welcome >> >> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it would maybe be good to gather requirements for different >> countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than general EU. I could put them there. >> >> >> Resources : >> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >> >> > |
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We can refer from
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document#NewFeaturesRoadmap-LivingDocument-CompletethesupportforVAT(ValueAddedTax) But please take this page as the root Jacques From: "Marek Mosiewicz" <[hidden email]> >I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT > There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in > some cases it is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also different types of documents, like customer refund, > export invoice, import invoice. In Poland is even document for correcting invoice (partial refund or increase of invoice). > > > Greeting, > Marek > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: VAT > > >> Hi Marek, >> >> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >> >> Greetings, >> Roland >> >> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>> Welcome >>> >>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it would maybe be good to gather requirements for different >>> countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than general EU. I could put them there. >>> >>> >>> Resources : >>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>> >>> >> >> > |
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Also sometimes nobody pay any VAT. For instance I use this mention when I sell services out of France in EU "VAT EXEMPTION, CGI
article 259B" CGI means Code Général des impôts (Taxes general laws) Jacques From: "Marek Mosiewicz" <[hidden email]> >I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT > There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in > some cases it is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also different types of documents, like customer refund, > export invoice, import invoice. In Poland is even document for correcting invoice (partial refund or increase of invoice). > > > Greeting, > Marek > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: VAT > > >> Hi Marek, >> >> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >> >> Greetings, >> Roland >> >> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>> Welcome >>> >>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it would maybe be good to gather requirements for different >>> countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than general EU. I could put them there. >>> >>> >>> Resources : >>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>> >>> >> >> > |
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In Poland there is also no payment of VAT when buyer is outside of Poland.
Not sure what with retail buying in Webshop. But then probably it is VAT of webshop location. What I mean registry, is separate report (list of operations). In Poland there are six such lists: 1. Buys from Polish suppliers 2. Selling to Polish customers 3. Buys from EU suppliers 4. Selling to EU Customers 5. Buys from non EU suppliers 6. Selling to non EU customers Maybe Italy has somthing similar, but not sure. This adds normal report to tax authority every month (sometimes quarter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: VAT > Hi Marek, > > in germany you have to be careful about a valid EU VAT ID: if buyer is > outside germany and has a valid id > (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?selectedLanguage=EN), > no VAT has to be applied. > Reporting varies in germany: may be monthly, quarterly (yearly?). you may > correct your monthly declarations at the end of year with your final > report. > > what do you mean with: > > Reports can be separated per "Registry" > > --Roland > > Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >> I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT >> There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european >> trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in some cases it is >> paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also different >> types of documents, like customer refund, export invoice, import invoice. >> In Poland is even document for correcting invoice (partial refund or >> increase of invoice). >> >> >> Greeting, >> Marek >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM >> Subject: Re: VAT >> >> >>> Hi Marek, >>> >>> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I >>> would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Roland >>> >>> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>>> Welcome >>>> >>>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it >>>> would maybe be good to gather requirements for different countries on >>>> on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific >>>> than general EU. I could put them there. >>>> >>>> >>>> Resources : >>>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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From: "Marek Mosiewicz" <[hidden email]>
> In Poland there is also no payment of VAT when buyer is outside of Poland. As I said before it's the same in France but like Roland outlined the buyer must have a EU VAT number. Looks like it's a general EU rule. > Not sure what with retail buying in Webshop. But then probably it is VAT of webshop location. Yes, except if it"s more B2B oriented or if products are sold mostly to companies. Actually as we don't know for sure it should be something special in eCommerce UI to allow EU VAT number entry. I think I saw already something like that when checking out softwares in EU. Jacques > > What I mean registry, is separate report (list of operations). In Poland there are six such lists: > 1. Buys from Polish suppliers > 2. Selling to Polish customers > 3. Buys from EU suppliers > 4. Selling to EU Customers > 5. Buys from non EU suppliers > 6. Selling to non EU customers > > Maybe Italy has somthing similar, but not sure. > > This adds normal report to tax authority every month (sometimes quarter) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: VAT > > >> Hi Marek, >> >> in germany you have to be careful about a valid EU VAT ID: if buyer is outside germany and has a valid id >> (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?selectedLanguage=EN), no VAT has to be applied. >> Reporting varies in germany: may be monthly, quarterly (yearly?). you may correct your monthly declarations at the end of year >> with your final report. >> >> what do you mean with: >> > Reports can be separated per "Registry" >> >> --Roland >> >> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>> I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT >>> There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in >>> some cases it is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also different types of documents, like customer refund, >>> export invoice, import invoice. In Poland is even document for correcting invoice (partial refund or increase of invoice). >>> >>> >>> Greeting, >>> Marek >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> >>> To: <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: VAT >>> >>> >>>> Hi Marek, >>>> >>>> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Roland >>>> >>>> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>>>> Welcome >>>>> >>>>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However it would maybe be good to gather requirements for >>>>> different countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some more specific than general EU. I could put them >>>>> there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Resources : >>>>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Hi Jacques, hi Marek,
i added a small table to the end of wiki page, trying to get some kind of overview, you may want to review what i've written about your countries. i'll add more details when i get more answers from out accountant. Greetings, Roland Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Marek Mosiewicz" <[hidden email]> >> In Poland there is also no payment of VAT when buyer is outside of >> Poland. > > As I said before it's the same in France but like Roland outlined the > buyer must have a EU VAT number. Looks like it's a general EU rule. > >> Not sure what with retail buying in Webshop. But then probably it is >> VAT of webshop location. > > Yes, except if it"s more B2B oriented or if products are sold mostly > to companies. Actually as we don't know for sure it should be > something special in eCommerce UI to allow EU VAT number entry. I > think I saw already something like that when checking out softwares in > EU. > > Jacques > >> >> What I mean registry, is separate report (list of operations). In >> Poland there are six such lists: >> 1. Buys from Polish suppliers >> 2. Selling to Polish customers >> 3. Buys from EU suppliers >> 4. Selling to EU Customers >> 5. Buys from non EU suppliers >> 6. Selling to non EU customers >> >> Maybe Italy has somthing similar, but not sure. >> >> This adds normal report to tax authority every month (sometimes quarter) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:02 PM >> Subject: Re: VAT >> >> >>> Hi Marek, >>> >>> in germany you have to be careful about a valid EU VAT ID: if buyer >>> is outside germany and has a valid id >>> (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?selectedLanguage=EN), >>> no VAT has to be applied. >>> Reporting varies in germany: may be monthly, quarterly (yearly?). >>> you may correct your monthly declarations at the end of year with >>> your final report. >>> >>> what do you mean with: >>> > Reports can be separated per "Registry" >>> >>> --Roland >>> >>> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>>> I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT >>>> There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about >>>> inter-european trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, >>>> but in some cases it is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). >>>> There are also different types of documents, like customer refund, >>>> export invoice, import invoice. In Poland is even document for >>>> correcting invoice (partial refund or increase of invoice). >>>> >>>> >>>> Greeting, >>>> Marek >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> >>>> To: <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM >>>> Subject: Re: VAT >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Marek, >>>>> >>>>> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, >>>>> I would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> Roland >>>>> >>>>> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>>>>> Welcome >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. >>>>>> However it would maybe be good to gather requirements for >>>>>> different countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland >>>>>> which are some more specific than general EU. I could put them >>>>>> there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Resources : >>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > |
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It is very nice. It would be nice if people from outside of EU would add
some comments. VAT is very common tax in many countries. It would give as more information how to generic solution. Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: VAT > Hi Jacques, hi Marek, > > i added a small table to the end of wiki page, trying to get some kind of > overview, you may want to review what i've written about your countries. > i'll add more details when i get more answers from out accountant. > > Greetings, > Roland > > Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> From: "Marek Mosiewicz" <[hidden email]> >>> In Poland there is also no payment of VAT when buyer is outside of >>> Poland. >> >> As I said before it's the same in France but like Roland outlined the >> buyer must have a EU VAT number. Looks like it's a general EU rule. >> >>> Not sure what with retail buying in Webshop. But then probably it is VAT >>> of webshop location. >> >> Yes, except if it"s more B2B oriented or if products are sold mostly to >> companies. Actually as we don't know for sure it should be something >> special in eCommerce UI to allow EU VAT number entry. I think I saw >> already something like that when checking out softwares in EU. >> >> Jacques >> >>> >>> What I mean registry, is separate report (list of operations). In Poland >>> there are six such lists: >>> 1. Buys from Polish suppliers >>> 2. Selling to Polish customers >>> 3. Buys from EU suppliers >>> 4. Selling to EU Customers >>> 5. Buys from non EU suppliers >>> 6. Selling to non EU customers >>> >>> Maybe Italy has somthing similar, but not sure. >>> >>> This adds normal report to tax authority every month (sometimes quarter) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> >>> To: <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: VAT >>> >>> >>>> Hi Marek, >>>> >>>> in germany you have to be careful about a valid EU VAT ID: if buyer is >>>> outside germany and has a valid id >>>> (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?selectedLanguage=EN), >>>> no VAT has to be applied. >>>> Reporting varies in germany: may be monthly, quarterly (yearly?). you >>>> may correct your monthly declarations at the end of year with your >>>> final report. >>>> >>>> what do you mean with: >>>> > Reports can be separated per "Registry" >>>> >>>> --Roland >>>> >>>> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>>>> I have added http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/VAT >>>>> There are issed remaining. I will ask accountant about inter-european >>>>> trading. Usually VAT is paid in county of seller, but in some cases it >>>>> is paid in county of buyer (e.g. IT services). There are also >>>>> different types of documents, like customer refund, export invoice, >>>>> import invoice. In Poland is even document for correcting invoice >>>>> (partial refund or increase of invoice). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Greeting, >>>>> Marek >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RolandH" <[hidden email]> >>>>> To: <[hidden email]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:37 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: VAT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marek, >>>>>> >>>>>> if it would be clear which things need to be defined / documented, I >>>>>> would gather all information necessary for german VAT. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> Roland >>>>>> >>>>>> Marek Mosiewicz wrote: >>>>>>> Welcome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to parcitipate in VAT implementation for OFBiz. However >>>>>>> it would maybe be good to gather requirements for different >>>>>>> countries on on Wiki. I know requirements for Poland which are some >>>>>>> more specific than general EU. I could put them there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Resources : >>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/bkqmwwvswzlgzbfr >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-366 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > |
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