[VOTE] ASL2 header in README files?

[taher]

Well, for the README.md you can add the license using the HTML version in
APACHE2_HEADER. For the rest of the README files you can use the standard
header.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Le 16/09/2016 à 12:31, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I simply wonder how we, as a community, can decide on this subject if no
>>> vote can be done.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Jacques, please do not be elusive... I am simply asking you if this vote
>> is
>> still valid or you have cancelled it.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> OK, I cancelled the vote because "it makes no sense to force to have an
> ASL2 headers in ALL readme files", now what?
>
> Jacques
>
>

[Pierre Smits]

You are wrong there.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Pierre,
>
> it seems you are not sure about it, assuming from your question in
> legal-discuss here: https://lists.apache.org/threa
> d.html/cdc08a88d47709738c4aa7595a3dc2446e7aa5450d4b6ffc8cc56
> b52@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>
> Regards,
> Michael
>
> Am 16.09.16 um 10:43 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>
>> -1 regarding the use of the ASL2 license for readme files. Because it is
>> the wrong license for that kind of work.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> So we can't decide as a community? Weird :-o
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 16/09/2016 à 10:21, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Devs,
>>>>
>>>>> There are mixed opinions about putting or not the ASL2 header in OFBiz
>>>>> README files.
>>>>>
>>>>> One one hand we can read at http://www.apache.org/legal/sr
>>>>> c-headers.html#faq-exceptions that README files don't require a header
>>>>>
>>>>> But to protect our work we can decide to put a header in all README
>>>>> files
>>>>> (with or w/o suffixes). It's all or none to be consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since License is an important matter I think a vote is necessary to
>>>>> define
>>>>> our policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So please vote
>>>>>
>>>>> [+1] include a header in all README files
>>>>>
>>>>> [-1] do not include a header in any README files
>>>>>
>>>>> [0] Undecided
>>>>>
>>>>> I will close this vote in a week, thanks for your time !
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion this vote is not valid and should be cancelled.
>>>>>
>>>> My reasoning is the following: the result of this vote may be against
>>>> the
>>>> ASF license policy and as a project we are not allowed to change the ASF
>>>> license policy by vote. In fact our codebase is licensed by the ASF and
>>>> not
>>>> by OFBiz.
>>>>
>>>> Why am I saying that the result of this vote may be against the ASF
>>>> license
>>>> policy?
>>>>
>>>> If we decide to "not include a header in any README files" then we will
>>>> violate the following [*]:
>>>>
>>>> "A file without any degree of creativity in either its literal elements
>>>> or
>>>> its structure is not protected by copyright law; therefore, such a file
>>>> does not require a license header. If in doubt about the extent of the
>>>> file's creativity, add the license header to the file."
>>>>
>>>> In fact it would be difficult to state that the following file (for
>>>> example) does't contain "any degree of creativity":
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/README.md?view=markup
>>>>
>>>> In fact it contains useful documentation that was contributed by
>>>> different
>>>> people who spent time crafting its content.
>>>>
>>>> When in doubt, we should add the license header (as stated in the
>>>> document
>>>> that Jacques and I referenced); or we can omit it if we judge that the
>>>> file
>>>> doesn't contain any degree of creativity.
>>>> But definitely we can't blindly decide by vote for all the files
>>>> matching
>>>> a
>>>> name (i.e. README) as proposed by Jacques in this vote.
>>>> Since deciding on a case by case may be tricky and even subjective, my
>>>> *personal* preference would be to add to all the files the license
>>>> header.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> [*] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

I agree we should have a AL2 (and not ASL2 I learnt) header in README.md.

For the rest it really depends on the content and we can't apply a global rule. Only "creative" ones should have a header. Of course "creative" is
subjective, but I guess in most cases we will agree.

Jacques


Le 16/09/2016 à 13:46, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

> Well, for the README.md you can add the license using the HTML version in
> APACHE2_HEADER. For the rest of the README files you can use the standard
> header.
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Le 16/09/2016 à 12:31, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I simply wonder how we, as a community, can decide on this subject if no
>>>> vote can be done.
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Jacques, please do not be elusive... I am simply asking you if this vote
>>> is
>>> still valid or you have cancelled it.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> OK, I cancelled the vote because "it makes no sense to force to have an
>> ASL2 headers in ALL readme files", now what?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>

[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

Jacques,

I am glad that you finally agreed upon my initial interpretation of the
policy.
It took time (for the community and the legal team [*]) to explain to you
and Pierre that your original interpretation was incorrect but I am glad we
are now all on the same page and we can move on and work at more valuable
tasks.

Kind regards,

Jacopo

[*] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/cdc08a88d47709738c4aa75
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree we should have a AL2 (and not ASL2 I learnt) header in README.md.
>
> For the rest it really depends on the content and we can't apply a global
> rule. Only "creative" ones should have a header. Of course "creative" is
> subjective, but I guess in most cases we will agree.
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 16/09/2016 à 13:46, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
>
>> Well, for the README.md you can add the license using the HTML version in
>> APACHE2_HEADER. For the rest of the README files you can use the standard
>> header.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Le 16/09/2016 à 12:31, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I simply wonder how we, as a community, can decide on this subject if no
>>>>
>>>>> vote can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques, please do not be elusive... I am simply asking you if this
>>>>> vote
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> still valid or you have cancelled it.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> OK, I cancelled the vote because "it makes no sense to force to have an
>>>>
>>> ASL2 headers in ALL readme files", now what?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Jacopo,

I'm glad we also agree about not blindly putting an Alv2 header in all readme files

Jacques


Le 17/09/2016 à 08:42, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :

> Jacques,
>
> I am glad that you finally agreed upon my initial interpretation of the
> policy.
> It took time (for the community and the legal team [*]) to explain to you
> and Pierre that your original interpretation was incorrect but I am glad we
> are now all on the same page and we can move on and work at more valuable
> tasks.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jacopo
>
> [*] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/cdc08a88d47709738c4aa75
> 95a3dc2446e7aa5450d4b6ffc8cc56b52@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I agree we should have a AL2 (and not ASL2 I learnt) header in README.md.
>>
>> For the rest it really depends on the content and we can't apply a global
>> rule. Only "creative" ones should have a header. Of course "creative" is
>> subjective, but I guess in most cases we will agree.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 16/09/2016 à 13:46, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
>>
>>> Well, for the README.md you can add the license using the HTML version in
>>> APACHE2_HEADER. For the rest of the README files you can use the standard
>>> header.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 16/09/2016 à 12:31, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I simply wonder how we, as a community, can decide on this subject if no
>>>>>
>>>>>> vote can be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques, please do not be elusive... I am simply asking you if this
>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> still valid or you have cancelled it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I cancelled the vote because "it makes no sense to force to have an
>>>>>
>>>> ASL2 headers in ALL readme files", now what?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

We are on the same page: if there is no doubt about the fact that a given
file (not just readme files) doesn't contain any degree of creativity then
the license header is not required.

Jacopo

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jacopo,
>
> I'm glad we also agree about not blindly putting an Alv2 header in all
> readme files
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 17/09/2016 à 08:42, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>
>> Jacques,
>>
>> I am glad that you finally agreed upon my initial interpretation of the
>> policy.
>> It took time (for the community and the legal team [*]) to explain to you
>> and Pierre that your original interpretation was incorrect but I am glad
>> we
>> are now all on the same page and we can move on and work at more valuable
>> tasks.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> [*] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/cdc08a88d47709738c4aa75
>> 95a3dc2446e7aa5450d4b6ffc8cc56b52@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I agree we should have a AL2 (and not ASL2 I learnt) header in README.md.
>>>
>>> For the rest it really depends on the content and we can't apply a global
>>> rule. Only "creative" ones should have a header. Of course "creative" is
>>> subjective, but I guess in most cases we will agree.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 16/09/2016 à 13:46, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
>>>
>>> Well, for the README.md you can add the license using the HTML version in
>>>> APACHE2_HEADER. For the rest of the README files you can use the
>>>> standard
>>>> header.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Le 16/09/2016 à 12:31, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>
>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simply wonder how we, as a community, can decide on this subject if
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>
>>>>>> vote can be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques, please do not be elusive... I am simply asking you if this
>>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> still valid or you have cancelled it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, I cancelled the vote because "it makes no sense to force to have
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASL2 headers in ALL readme files", now what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>