[VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

[Jacques Le Roux]

Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?

Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information

+1 (means put the theme in Attic)
  0 (means vote abstention)
-1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)

Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016 13:00 UTC+1.

Jacques

[Pierre Smits]

+1

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more
> information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>  0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
> 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>

[Julien NICOLAS]

+1


On 23/09/2016 14:04, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
> more information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>  0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
> 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

-1

Michael

Am 23.09.16 um 14:04 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
> more information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>  0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
> 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques

[Nicolas Malin-2]

-1


Le 23/09/2016 à 14:04, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
> more information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>  0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
> 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>

[taher]

-1

On Sep 24, 2016 8:16 AM, "Nicolas Malin" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> -1
>
>
> Le 23/09/2016 à 14:04, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>
>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>
>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>> more information
>>
>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>  0 (means vote abstention)
>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>
>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>

[Gil Portenseigne]

-1

Le 23/09/2016 à 14:04, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?

Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information

+1 (means put the theme in Attic)
 0 (means vote abstention)
-1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)

Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016 13:00 UTC+1.

Jacques

[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

-1

mostly because from what I understand it is the one that provides the best
support for RTL languages.

Jacopo

PS: Jacques' decision to proceed with the individual votes without a
previous decision on how many themes to keep is in my opinion wrong and
seems to contradict even his own words on the discussion thread [*], which
were anyway not very clear to me.
The design of this vote is also not well thought because we could end up
with all themes being voted for removal, and at least one theme is clearly
required as correctly stated Julien [**] who is the only person who replied
to Jacques' initial thread; but it seems that Jacques has ignored the only
feedback he got and decided to proceed with the plan he had in mind.

[*]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/db3697483813775a288f48409f4b3db7a05b51ee50b042816762bd9a@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E

[**]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c9fb35370fe9a84626d255eef244f3749ee8d2261445a2f7726d0c09@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more
> information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>  0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
> 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>

[Sharan-F]

-1

I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at the same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but others technical such as the Flat Grey.

Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are using, then I think it is big mistake to remove it.

This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being removed purely because people don't like the look of them.

Thanks
Sharan


On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>   0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>

[Pierre Smits]

+1

There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to
remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this project
before the vote was called.

In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have the
opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But then
again, people do love to complain..

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> wrote:

> -1
>
> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought
> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at the
> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our
> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but others
> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>
> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are using,
> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>
> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before
> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being
> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
> >
> > Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
> more information
> >
> > +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
> >   0 (means vote abstention)
> > -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
> >
> > Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
> 13:00 UTC+1.
> >
> > Jacques
> >
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
23.08.16 14:04.

If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.

Regards,

Michael


Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:

> +1
>
> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to
> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this project
> before the vote was called.
>
> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have the
> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But then
> again, people do love to complain..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> -1
>>
>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought
>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at the
>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our
>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but others
>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>
>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are using,
>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>
>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before
>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being
>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>
>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>> more information
>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>    0 (means vote abstention)
>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>
>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>> Jacques
>>>

[Pierre Smits]

It is a misunderstanding by you!

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
> 23.08.16 14:04.
>
> If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>
>> +1
>>
>> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to
>> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this project
>> before the vote was called.
>>
>> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have
>> the
>> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But then
>> again, people do love to complain..
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> -1
>>>
>>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought
>>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at
>>> the
>>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our
>>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but others
>>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>>
>>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are using,
>>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>>
>>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before
>>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being
>>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
>>> [hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>>
>>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>>>>
>>> more information
>>>
>>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>>    0 (means vote abstention)
>>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>>
>>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>>>>
>>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

[Sharan-F]

I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread.

On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote:

> It is a misunderstanding by you!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
>> 23.08.16 14:04.
>>
>> If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to
>>> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this project
>>> before the vote was called.
>>>
>>> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have
>>> the
>>> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But then
>>> again, people do love to complain..
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> -1
>>>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought
>>>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at
>>>> the
>>>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our
>>>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but others
>>>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>>>
>>>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>>>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are using,
>>>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>>>
>>>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before
>>>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being
>>>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>>>>>
>>>> more information
>>>>
>>>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>     0 (means vote abstention)
>>>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>
>>>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>>>>>
>>>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>

[Pierre Smits]

I can see that too.

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread.
>
> On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote:
>
>> It is a misunderstanding by you!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
>>> 23.08.16 14:04.
>>>
>>> If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether
>>>> to
>>>> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this
>>>> project
>>>> before the vote was called.
>>>>
>>>> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have
>>>> the
>>>> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But
>>>> then
>>>> again, people do love to complain..
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully
>>>>> thought
>>>>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at
>>>>> the
>>>>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme.
>>>>> Our
>>>>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but
>>>>> others
>>>>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>>>>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are
>>>>> using,
>>>>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before
>>>>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being
>>>>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more information
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>     0 (means vote abstention)
>>>>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Anyway they count only at +1, not +2

Jacques


Le 24/09/2016 à 14:45, Sharan Foga a écrit :

> I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread.
>
> On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> It is a misunderstanding by you!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
>>> 23.08.16 14:04.
>>>
>>> If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to
>>>> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this project
>>>> before the vote was called.
>>>>
>>>> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have
>>>> the
>>>> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But then
>>>> again, people do love to complain..
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought
>>>>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at
>>>>> the
>>>>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our
>>>>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but others
>>>>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>>>>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are using,
>>>>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion before
>>>>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up being
>>>>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>>>>>>
>>>>> more information
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>     0 (means vote abstention)
>>>>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>>>>>>
>>>>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>
>

[Pierre Smits]

Last vote counts?

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Anyway they count only at +1, not +2
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 24/09/2016 à 14:45, Sharan Foga a écrit :
>
>> I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread.
>>
>> On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>
>>> It is a misunderstanding by you!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
>>>> 23.08.16 14:04.
>>>>
>>>> If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on
>>>>> whether to
>>>>> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this
>>>>> project
>>>>> before the vote was called.
>>>>>
>>>>> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have
>>>>> the
>>>>> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But
>>>>> then
>>>>> again, people do love to complain..
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>
>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>>
>>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> -1
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme.
>>>>>> Our
>>>>>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>>>>>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are
>>>>>> using,
>>>>>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more information
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>>     0 (means vote abstention)
>>>>>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

I don't remember any rules about that, but that makes sense to me, you can make an error, or even change your mind.
You have 72 hours to vote not less than a 15 minutes as if you were voting for a politician (I hope someone will contradict me again here, just in
order to fulfil the contradiction spirit)

For instance I hate that you can't fix an error in a pushed (and pulled by others) commit message with Git for technical reasons (justified later by
Linus as helping everybody, like if human could not make errors and fix them)

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/457379/how-do-i-edit-an-incorrect-commit-message-in-git-ive-pushed

But I ramble...

Jacques


Le 24/09/2016 à 14:55, Pierre Smits a écrit :

> Last vote counts?
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Anyway they count only at +1, not +2
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 24/09/2016 à 14:45, Sharan Foga a écrit :
>>
>>> I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread.
>>>
>>> On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a misunderstanding by you!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl <[hidden email]
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on
>>>>> 23.08.16 14:04.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>> There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on
>>>>>> whether to
>>>>>> remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> before the vote was called.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> opportunity to kick it. But don't complain the other if he does'. But
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> again, people do love to complain..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully
>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>> out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme.
>>>>>>> Our
>>>>>>> themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> technical such as the Flat Grey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visually I don't really like the Flat Grey theme but if it supports
>>>>>>> something that the others themes do not, that OFBiz customers are
>>>>>>> using,
>>>>>>> then I think it is big mistake to remove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This type of reasoning would have come up in a proper discussion
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> launching a vote. I'm afraid that some of these themes may end up
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> removed purely because people don't like the look of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-09-23 14:04 (+0200), Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>>>>>>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more information
>>>>>>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>>>      0 (means vote abstention)
>>>>>>>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Some object about this vote. I should have been more precise.

I let 3 days between asking for "your help deciding on this" in the "Preliminary question about themes before possible votes" thread. I thought it was
enough for suggesting ideas on how to vote. Apart Julien's, I got none.
While I suggested we should keep only 2 themes, Julien suggested we could keep only 1 theme. I did not object.
So it was obvious to me that we could not remove all themes. I guess for you too, no?
By launching all the votes at the same time, I thought it was obvious all the votes were related.
In my mind, and that's were I should have been more precise, we would keep the themes with the best scores.
Since we suggested 2 possibilities with Julien, I thought we would then decide the number of theme/s to keep in a lazy consensus.

Note that I explained to Pierre it's possible to change your mind in a vote, but of course not to hope to cumulate "points" when voting twice the same.

We have now 2 solutions:

 1. We abandon these votes and start new ones
 2. We continue to vote based on my explanations above but add more time (say 1 day + 3.5 hours, we are not in a hurry) for people who have already
    voted and would want to change their minds if they think the explanations above lead them to another option. Else we keep their votes as is, they
    don't need to vote again.

What do you think? A lazy consensus will apply (ie we continue to vote) if nobody object to  my completing explanations and then the votes will stop
Tuesday Sep 27 2016 16:30 UTC+1.

Jacques


Le 23/09/2016 à 14:04, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>
> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information
>
> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>  0 (means vote abstention)
> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>
> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016 13:00 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>

[Scott Gray-3]

A couple of things:
- Starting 9 x 72 hour votes at the start of a weekend doesn't give people
much time if they aren't familiar with the themes and had plans for the
weekend.  If there's no rush then give it a week IMO.
- I think you rely on lazy consensus too much.  Not many contributors have
as much time as you to give to the project and formulating an argument
against something (and then continuing the discussion) can take up a lot of
time and energy.  In my experience people are generally very quick to agree
to good ideas (because it takes no effort other than to reply +1) so if you
get *no* responses then you should IMO take pause before pushing ahead.

Regards
Scott

On 25 September 2016 at 03:35, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]
> wrote:

> Some object about this vote. I should have been more precise.
>
> I let 3 days between asking for "your help deciding on this" in the
> "Preliminary question about themes before possible votes" thread. I thought
> it was enough for suggesting ideas on how to vote. Apart Julien's, I got
> none.
> While I suggested we should keep only 2 themes, Julien suggested we could
> keep only 1 theme. I did not object.
> So it was obvious to me that we could not remove all themes. I guess for
> you too, no?
> By launching all the votes at the same time, I thought it was obvious all
> the votes were related.
> In my mind, and that's were I should have been more precise, we would keep
> the themes with the best scores.
> Since we suggested 2 possibilities with Julien, I thought we would then
> decide the number of theme/s to keep in a lazy consensus.
>
> Note that I explained to Pierre it's possible to change your mind in a
> vote, but of course not to hope to cumulate "points" when voting twice the
> same.
>
> We have now 2 solutions:
>
> 1. We abandon these votes and start new ones
> 2. We continue to vote based on my explanations above but add more time
> (say 1 day + 3.5 hours, we are not in a hurry) for people who have already
>    voted and would want to change their minds if they think the
> explanations above lead them to another option. Else we keep their votes as
> is, they
>    don't need to vote again.
>
> What do you think? A lazy consensus will apply (ie we continue to vote) if
> nobody object to  my completing explanations and then the votes will stop
> Tuesday Sep 27 2016 16:30 UTC+1.
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 23/09/2016 à 14:04, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>
>> Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic?
>>
>> Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for
>> more information
>>
>> +1 (means put the theme in Attic)
>>  0 (means vote abstention)
>> -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)
>>
>> Voting time frame is finished 72 hours from now until Mon Sep 26 2016
>> 13:00 UTC+1.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

If people see a possible issue or are in doubt with a proposition, I propose they quickly  put a -1 as they would put a +1 on the contrary.
It would not a be vote, but then we would know that there is a kind of disagreement, but not yet time to explain it clearly.
And we would know we need to wait a bit more than normally and especially ask the persons who are concerned why they are.
Then we would wait their answers in a reasonable delay. By convention this would be 3 days.

I propose this rule to be written in a set of OFBiz specific rules which AFAIK are still to be written.
So this would be the first and we would create a prominent wiki page for that.

I think that by written OFBiz specific rules in a wiki page it will clarify the situations in most cases. We would of course add new OFBiz specific
rules when a new case would be crossed.

What do you think? Of course, here again lazy consensus apply https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus but you might already use
the proposition above...

Jacques

Le 24/09/2016 à 23:39, Scott Gray a écrit :
> - I think you rely on lazy consensus too much.  Not many contributors have
> as much time as you to give to the project and formulating an argument
> against something (and then continuing the discussion) can take up a lot of
> time and energy.  In my experience people are generally very quick to agree
> to good ideas (because it takes no effort other than to reply +1) so if you
> get*no*  responses then you should IMO take pause before pushing ahead.
>
> Regards
> Scott