Version 10.04 Status?
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I'm unable to find road map, milestone, or release schedule information and would appreciate clarification regarding 10.04 release status. I note from SVN that the release was branched but has not been tagged stable. How much of a moving target is the 10.04 branch? Should I be looking at 9.04 stable or 10.04 for a production deployment that's still a couple/few months out? Thanks-- Ken -- Ken Gunderson <[hidden email]> |
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https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan
http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html David E Jones-4 wrote: One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. -David That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. ========================= BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Ken Gunderson sent the following on 9/7/2010 1:30 PM: Hello: I'm unable to find road map, milestone, or release schedule information and would appreciate clarification regarding 10.04 release status. I note from SVN that the release was branched but has not been tagged stable. How much of a moving target is the 10.04 branch? Should I be looking at 9.04 stable or 10.04 for a production deployment that's still a couple/few months out? Thanks-- Ken |
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On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan > http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html > David E Jones-4 wrote: > > > One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release > branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in > the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and > bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and > bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new > things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. > > -David > That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development model but was hoping for something a little more explicit. For example, from the wiki link: "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and pre-built package will be issued" Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04? Days, weeks, months? Regards-- Ken -- Ken Gunderson <[hidden email]> |
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On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan >> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html >> David E Jones-4 wrote: >> >> >> One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release >> branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in >> the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and >> bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and >> bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new >> things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. >> >> -David >> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. > > Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development > model but was hoping for something a little more explicit. For example, > from the wiki link: > > "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and > pre-built package will be issued" > > Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04? Days, weeks, > months? Sorry, that message wasn't from me as a response to your question, it is an older message I wrote and BJ copied it in reply to your message (up to the "-David", after that I think those are BJ's comments). As for when a stable release might happen, it totally depends on community interest. OFBiz is a community driven project. There is no central planning and control. All it takes for a release to be done is for one of the PMC members to push it through the process, and of course in order for that to happen that person must be both interested in seeing the stable release done, and either comfortable with the current state of the branch or willing to help push to get things ready for release. A PMC member could become interested based on the interest of others, so asking here and expressing interest is a good thing to do to help get this going. BTW, here is a reference of those who have moderation and management roles in the project: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers -David |
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On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:17 -0600, David E Jones wrote: > On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote: > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html > >> David E Jones-4 wrote: > >> > >> > >> One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release > >> branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in > >> the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and > >> bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and > >> bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new > >> things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. > >> > >> -David > >> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. > > > > Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development > > model but was hoping for something a little more explicit. For example, > > from the wiki link: > > > > "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and > > pre-built package will be issued" > > > > Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04? Days, weeks, > > months? > > Sorry, that message wasn't from me as a response to your question, it is an older message I wrote and BJ copied it in reply to your message (up to the "-David", after that I think those are BJ's comments). > > As for when a stable release might happen, it totally depends on community interest. OFBiz is a community driven project. There is no central planning and control. All it takes for a release to be done is for one of the PMC members to push it through the process, and of course in order for that to happen that person must be both interested in seeing the stable release done, and either comfortable with the current state of the branch or willing to help push to get things ready for release. > > A PMC member could become interested based on the interest of others, so asking here and expressing interest is a good thing to do to help get this going. > > BTW, here is a reference of those who have moderation and management roles in the project: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers > > -David > > Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty familiar with open source and asf models, but not ofbiz. Anyone care to elaborate on the "current state of the branch" w.r.t code readiness? Is tagging 10.04 stable more a matter of code dev or asf hoops? The 5.0 release of Roller, for example, is 99.9% the latter. Thanks-- Ken -- Ken Gunderson <[hidden email]> |
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On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:17 -0600, David E Jones wrote: >> On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html >>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release >>>> branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in >>>> the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and >>>> bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and >>>> bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new >>>> things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. >>> >>> Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development >>> model but was hoping for something a little more explicit. For example, >>> from the wiki link: >>> >>> "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and >>> pre-built package will be issued" >>> >>> Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04? Days, weeks, >>> months? >> >> Sorry, that message wasn't from me as a response to your question, it is an older message I wrote and BJ copied it in reply to your message (up to the "-David", after that I think those are BJ's comments). >> >> As for when a stable release might happen, it totally depends on community interest. OFBiz is a community driven project. There is no central planning and control. All it takes for a release to be done is for one of the PMC members to push it through the process, and of course in order for that to happen that person must be both interested in seeing the stable release done, and either comfortable with the current state of the branch or willing to help push to get things ready for release. >> >> A PMC member could become interested based on the interest of others, so asking here and expressing interest is a good thing to do to help get this going. >> >> BTW, here is a reference of those who have moderation and management roles in the project: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers >> >> -David >> >> > > Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty familiar with open source and asf > models, but not ofbiz. Anyone care to elaborate on the "current state > of the branch" w.r.t code readiness? Is tagging 10.04 stable more a > matter of code dev or asf hoops? The 5.0 release of Roller, for > example, is 99.9% the latter. Yes, you're right, there is some of both. The actual binary release is mostly following the ASF process. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "tagging 10.04 stable". I've commented on this before, but I don't like the term "stable" because it really means minimal changes while people use the word to mean bug-free. Those are very different things. At some point there will be a binary release when there is sufficient interest and a general consensus that only minimal bugs exist in the branch. Personally, if I wanted to use a bug-free (or minimal bug) release I'd get the branch from SVN and update frequently to get bug fixes. The branch is restricted to bug fixes so you should run unto many problems doing this. That relates to the recommendations I wrote up a long time ago here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Getting+Started -David |
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OFBiz doesn't face Roller's problem mentioned here:
http://rollerweblogger.org/project/entry/roller_needs_you There're many activities in trunk everyday (including weekends/holidays). As an OFBiz user, I don't think there will be a 10.04 as the change is not big enough. 在 2010-09-08三的 12:07 -0600，Ken Gunderson写道： > On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:17 -0600, David E Jones wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote: > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan > > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html > > >> David E Jones-4 wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release > > >> branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in > > >> the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and > > >> bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and > > >> bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new > > >> things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. > > >> > > >> -David > > >> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. > > > > > > Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development > > > model but was hoping for something a little more explicit. For example, > > > from the wiki link: > > > > > > "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and > > > pre-built package will be issued" > > > > > > Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04? Days, weeks, > > > months? > > > > Sorry, that message wasn't from me as a response to your question, it is an older message I wrote and BJ copied it in reply to your message (up to the "-David", after that I think those are BJ's comments). > > > > As for when a stable release might happen, it totally depends on community interest. OFBiz is a community driven project. There is no central planning and control. All it takes for a release to be done is for one of the PMC members to push it through the process, and of course in order for that to happen that person must be both interested in seeing the stable release done, and either comfortable with the current state of the branch or willing to help push to get things ready for release. > > > > A PMC member could become interested based on the interest of others, so asking here and expressing interest is a good thing to do to help get this going. > > > > BTW, here is a reference of those who have moderation and management roles in the project: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers > > > > -David > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty familiar with open source and asf > models, but not ofbiz. Anyone care to elaborate on the "current state > of the branch" w.r.t code readiness? Is tagging 10.04 stable more a > matter of code dev or asf hoops? The 5.0 release of Roller, for > example, is 99.9% the latter. > > Thanks-- Ken > |
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Flexiiiiiiiiiiiiiible... Jacques From: "Shi Jinghai" <[hidden email]> > OFBiz doesn't face Roller's problem mentioned here: > http://rollerweblogger.org/project/entry/roller_needs_you > > There're many activities in trunk everyday (including > weekends/holidays). As an OFBiz user, I don't think there will be a > 10.04 as the change is not big enough. > > > 在 2010-09-08三的 12:07 -0600，Ken Gunderson写道： >> On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:17 -0600, David E Jones wrote: >> > On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote: >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan >> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@.../msg27030.html >> > >> David E Jones-4 wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> One quick thing to note, that seems to be confused here: the release >> > >> branch is a tool for stabilization. It's great to do testing and fixing in >> > >> the trunk, but the goal for a release branch is not to be tested and >> > >> bug-free from day one, but rather to be stable so that real testing and >> > >> bug fixing can be done in the release branch without worrying about new >> > >> things possibly breaking something, or any other conflicting priorities. >> > >> >> > >> -David >> > >> That said there are some testing but I doubt it has been completely tested. >> > > >> > > Thanks, David. I'm familiar with the concepts behind the development >> > > model but was hoping for something a little more explicit. For example, >> > > from the wiki link: >> > > >> > > "Once a release branch stabilizes an initial "stable" release tag and >> > > pre-built package will be issued" >> > > >> > > Any projections on when this might happen for 10.04? Days, weeks, >> > > months? >> > >> > Sorry, that message wasn't from me as a response to your question, it is an older message I wrote and BJ copied it in reply to >> > your message (up to the "-David", after that I think those are BJ's comments). >> > >> > As for when a stable release might happen, it totally depends on community interest. OFBiz is a community driven project. There >> > is no central planning and control. All it takes for a release to be done is for one of the PMC members to push it through the >> > process, and of course in order for that to happen that person must be both interested in seeing the stable release done, and >> > either comfortable with the current state of the branch or willing to help push to get things ready for release. >> > >> > A PMC member could become interested based on the interest of others, so asking here and expressing interest is a good thing to >> > do to help get this going. >> > >> > BTW, here is a reference of those who have moderation and management roles in the project: >> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers >> > >> > -David >> > >> > >> >> Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty familiar with open source and asf >> models, but not ofbiz. Anyone care to elaborate on the "current state >> of the branch" w.r.t code readiness? Is tagging 10.04 stable more a >> matter of code dev or asf hoops? The 5.0 release of Roller, for >> example, is 99.9% the latter. >> >> Thanks-- Ken >> > |
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