Where did this go?

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hello List:
Got a quick question:
In 4.x releases dating back to 765601, there is a place in the Catalog
Manager under store configuration where the user may enter in a style
sheet and header logo for a store. By default these are set to
/images/ecommain.css and /images/ofbiz_logo.jpg respectively.

In the latest trunk release and 9.x releases, where did these fields go?
How does one change these fields on an existing store (or a new store
for that matter) using the Catalog Manager?

TIA
Ruth

[Jacques Le Roux]

I think it's now related to Visual Themes, but just a guess

Jacques

From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>

> Hello List:
> Got a quick question:
> In 4.x releases dating back to 765601, there is a place in the Catalog
> Manager under store configuration where the user may enter in a style
> sheet and header logo for a store. By default these are set to
> /images/ecommain.css and /images/ofbiz_logo.jpg respectively.
>
> In the latest trunk release and 9.x releases, where did these fields go?
> How does one change these fields on an existing store (or a new store
> for that matter) using the Catalog Manager?
>
> TIA
> Ruth
>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Jacques:
Thanks. Anyone else care to comment?
TIA
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> I think it's now related to Visual Themes, but just a guess
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>> Hello List:
>> Got a quick question:
>> In 4.x releases dating back to 765601, there is a place in the
>> Catalog Manager under store configuration where the user may enter in
>> a style sheet and header logo for a store. By default these are set
>> to /images/ecommain.css and /images/ofbiz_logo.jpg respectively.
>>
>> In the latest trunk release and 9.x releases, where did these fields
>> go? How does one change these fields on an existing store (or a new
>> store for that matter) using the Catalog Manager?
>>
>> TIA
>> Ruth
>>
>
>

[Anne Jessel]

Was looking at some of the code for header logo settings in trunk a
couple of days ago. Yes, the one defined in the theme is now used
instead, and there's a comment somewhere in the code that the logo
field for the product store is no longer used. I presume the same
applies to the style sheet, but haven't checked.

The code I looked at did appear to have some other mechanism for
overriding the logo defined by the theme. Didn't follow this up, but
it looked like it was associated with the company settings?

Cheers,
Anne.

2009/9/5 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Jacques:
> Thanks. Anyone else care to comment?
> TIA
> Ruth
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>> I think it's now related to Visual Themes, but just a guess
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Hello List:
>>> Got a quick question:
>>> In 4.x releases dating back to 765601, there is a place in the Catalog
>>> Manager under store configuration where the user may enter in a style sheet
>>> and header logo for a store. By default these are set to
>>> /images/ecommain.css and /images/ofbiz_logo.jpg respectively.
>>>
>>> In the latest trunk release and 9.x releases, where did these fields go?
>>> How does one change these fields on an existing store (or a new store for
>>> that matter) using the Catalog Manager?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>
>>
>

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[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Anne:
Thanks. I haven't had time to delve into the code.

Seems to me like this would not be a good thing - taking away a feature
in the Catalog Manager (especially something as useful as changing the
logo) and replacing it with: 1)  hardwiring in a configuration file 2)
plus I now find out a reinstall of the seed data is required to change a
theme. Does that mean a reinstall of seed data is needed to change the
logo?

Am I wrong? Can I still dynamically change the logo using the Catalog
Manager or some other  OFBiz tool?
Any comments? Anyone else on the list care about stuff like this?

Thanks
Ruth
Anne Jessel wrote:

> Was looking at some of the code for header logo settings in trunk a
> couple of days ago. Yes, the one defined in the theme is now used
> instead, and there's a comment somewhere in the code that the logo
> field for the product store is no longer used. I presume the same
> applies to the style sheet, but haven't checked.
>
> The code I looked at did appear to have some other mechanism for
> overriding the logo defined by the theme. Didn't follow this up, but
> it looked like it was associated with the company settings?
>
> Cheers,
> Anne.
>
> 2009/9/5 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>  
>> Hi Jacques:
>> Thanks. Anyone else care to comment?
>> TIA
>> Ruth
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>    
>>> I think it's now related to Visual Themes, but just a guess
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>
>>>      
>>>> Hello List:
>>>> Got a quick question:
>>>> In 4.x releases dating back to 765601, there is a place in the Catalog
>>>> Manager under store configuration where the user may enter in a style sheet
>>>> and header logo for a store. By default these are set to
>>>> /images/ecommain.css and /images/ofbiz_logo.jpg respectively.
>>>>
>>>> In the latest trunk release and 9.x releases, where did these fields go?
>>>> How does one change these fields on an existing store (or a new store for
>>>> that matter) using the Catalog Manager?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>      
>
>
>
>  

[Erwan de FERRIERES-3]

Le 05/09/2009 12:38, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
> Hi Anne:
> Thanks. I haven't had time to delve into the code.
>
> Seems to me like this would not be a good thing - taking away a feature
> in the Catalog Manager (especially something as useful as changing the
> logo) and replacing it with: 1) hardwiring in a configuration file 2)
> plus I now find out a reinstall of the seed data is required to change a
> theme. Does that mean a reinstall of seed data is needed to change the
> logo?
you can just change the logo in the database, by modifying this entry :
<VisualThemeResource visualThemeId="BLUELIGHT"
resourceTypeEnumId="VT_HDR_IMAGE_URL"
resourceValue="/images/ofbiz_logo.gif" sequenceId="01"/>

>
> Am I wrong? Can I still dynamically change the logo using the Catalog
> Manager or some other OFBiz tool?
> Any comments? Anyone else on the list care about stuff like this?
>

../..
--
- Erwan -

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Erwan:
Understood, but that isn't my point. Unless I'm wrong, we have taken
away a feature that anyone with permission could accomplish using the
Catalog Manager and a form based interface and replaced that with a task
that requires the following skills:

    The user needs to either be versed in using a text editor *and* know
    what file to change and where to change it

    Or have database experience

In either case, they may also need to reinstall seed data. Not sure
since I can't find it documented anywhere precisely how this is suppose
to work.

Am I wrong? Is there a "Theme" design document anywhere?
Just my 2 cents.
Ruth

Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:

>
>
> Le 05/09/2009 12:38, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>> Hi Anne:
>> Thanks. I haven't had time to delve into the code.
>>
>> Seems to me like this would not be a good thing - taking away a feature
>> in the Catalog Manager (especially something as useful as changing the
>> logo) and replacing it with: 1) hardwiring in a configuration file 2)
>> plus I now find out a reinstall of the seed data is required to change a
>> theme. Does that mean a reinstall of seed data is needed to change the
>> logo?
> you can just change the logo in the database, by modifying this entry
> : <VisualThemeResource visualThemeId="BLUELIGHT"
> resourceTypeEnumId="VT_HDR_IMAGE_URL"
> resourceValue="/images/ofbiz_logo.gif" sequenceId="01"/>
>
>>
>> Am I wrong? Can I still dynamically change the logo using the Catalog
>> Manager or some other OFBiz tool?
>> Any comments? Anyone else on the list care about stuff like this?
>>
>
> ../..

[Anne Jessel]

Hi Ruth

You got me curious, so I had a more detailed look at the code.

In the standard ecommerce web pages, the logo is set to be the first
found of the following:

1. a logo set for the user's session only, something to do with
tracking codes in Marketing, didn't follow this up further. Haven't
started trying to learn about Marketing yet :-)

2. the logo associated with the catalog (see Catalog Manager, same
screen where you set the name for the catalog)

3. the logo associated with the theme.

Don't know much about the first option, but I guess the one for the
theme (#3) is meant to be the fallback if one hasn't been set for the
catalog (#2)? Haven't actually tried any of this.

I suspect what you are wanting is the one associated with the catalog.
Looks like it's moved to there from the productstore.

Cheers,
Anne.

2009/9/5 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Erwan:
> Understood, but that isn't my point. Unless I'm wrong, we have taken away a
> feature that anyone with permission could accomplish using the Catalog
> Manager and a form based interface and replaced that with a task that
> requires the following skills:
>
>   The user needs to either be versed in using a text editor *and* know
>   what file to change and where to change it
>
>   Or have database experience
>
> In either case, they may also need to reinstall seed data. Not sure since I
> can't find it documented anywhere precisely how this is suppose to work.
>
> Am I wrong? Is there a "Theme" design document anywhere?
> Just my 2 cents.
> Ruth
>
> Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le 05/09/2009 12:38, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi Anne:
>>> Thanks. I haven't had time to delve into the code.
>>>
>>> Seems to me like this would not be a good thing - taking away a feature
>>> in the Catalog Manager (especially something as useful as changing the
>>> logo) and replacing it with: 1) hardwiring in a configuration file 2)
>>> plus I now find out a reinstall of the seed data is required to change a
>>> theme. Does that mean a reinstall of seed data is needed to change the
>>> logo?
>>
>> you can just change the logo in the database, by modifying this entry :
>> <VisualThemeResource visualThemeId="BLUELIGHT"
>> resourceTypeEnumId="VT_HDR_IMAGE_URL" resourceValue="/images/ofbiz_logo.gif"
>> sequenceId="01"/>
>>
>>>
>>> Am I wrong? Can I still dynamically change the logo using the Catalog
>>> Manager or some other OFBiz tool?
>>> Any comments? Anyone else on the list care about stuff like this?
>>>
>>
>> ../..
>

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[BJ Freeman]

Themes disabled the default way to customize a component.
like most things in ofbiz there are datafiles to be loaded to intialize
the DB. So at least and understanding of XML and XSD files are necessary.
to make a new theme you can copy any theme into a new folder and modify
the information.
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to
have you seen these links?
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery


Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 9/5/2009 4:38 AM:

> Hi Erwan:
> Understood, but that isn't my point. Unless I'm wrong, we have taken
> away a feature that anyone with permission could accomplish using the
> Catalog Manager and a form based interface and replaced that with a task
> that requires the following skills:
>
>    The user needs to either be versed in using a text editor *and* know
>    what file to change and where to change it
>
>    Or have database experience
>
> In either case, they may also need to reinstall seed data. Not sure
> since I can't find it documented anywhere precisely how this is suppose
> to work.
>
> Am I wrong? Is there a "Theme" design document anywhere?
> Just my 2 cents.
> Ruth
>
> Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le 05/09/2009 12:38, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>> Hi Anne:
>>> Thanks. I haven't had time to delve into the code.
>>>
>>> Seems to me like this would not be a good thing - taking away a feature
>>> in the Catalog Manager (especially something as useful as changing the
>>> logo) and replacing it with: 1) hardwiring in a configuration file 2)
>>> plus I now find out a reinstall of the seed data is required to change a
>>> theme. Does that mean a reinstall of seed data is needed to change the
>>> logo?
>> you can just change the logo in the database, by modifying this entry
>> : <VisualThemeResource visualThemeId="BLUELIGHT"
>> resourceTypeEnumId="VT_HDR_IMAGE_URL"
>> resourceValue="/images/ofbiz_logo.gif" sequenceId="01"/>
>>
>>>
>>> Am I wrong? Can I still dynamically change the logo using the Catalog
>>> Manager or some other OFBiz tool?
>>> Any comments? Anyone else on the list care about stuff like this?
>>>
>>
>> ../..
>

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[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi BJ:
I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not disable
this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo replacement?

Just my 2 cents.
Ruth

BJ Freeman wrote:

> Themes disabled the default way to customize a component.
> like most things in ofbiz there are datafiles to be loaded to intialize
> the DB. So at least and understanding of XML and XSD files are necessary.
> to make a new theme you can copy any theme into a new folder and modify
> the information.
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+-+How+to
> have you seen these links?
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Visual+Themes+Gallery
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 9/5/2009 4:38 AM:
>  
>> Hi Erwan:
>> Understood, but that isn't my point. Unless I'm wrong, we have taken
>> away a feature that anyone with permission could accomplish using the
>> Catalog Manager and a form based interface and replaced that with a task
>> that requires the following skills:
>>
>>    The user needs to either be versed in using a text editor *and* know
>>    what file to change and where to change it
>>
>>    Or have database experience
>>
>> In either case, they may also need to reinstall seed data. Not sure
>> since I can't find it documented anywhere precisely how this is suppose
>> to work.
>>
>> Am I wrong? Is there a "Theme" design document anywhere?
>> Just my 2 cents.
>> Ruth
>>
>> Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>    
>>> Le 05/09/2009 12:38, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>      
>>>> Hi Anne:
>>>> Thanks. I haven't had time to delve into the code.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me like this would not be a good thing - taking away a feature
>>>> in the Catalog Manager (especially something as useful as changing the
>>>> logo) and replacing it with: 1) hardwiring in a configuration file 2)
>>>> plus I now find out a reinstall of the seed data is required to change a
>>>> theme. Does that mean a reinstall of seed data is needed to change the
>>>> logo?
>>>>        
>>> you can just change the logo in the database, by modifying this entry
>>> : <VisualThemeResource visualThemeId="BLUELIGHT"
>>> resourceTypeEnumId="VT_HDR_IMAGE_URL"
>>> resourceValue="/images/ofbiz_logo.gif" sequenceId="01"/>
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Am I wrong? Can I still dynamically change the logo using the Catalog
>>>> Manager or some other OFBiz tool?
>>>> Any comments? Anyone else on the list care about stuff like this?
>>>>
>>>>        
>>> ../..
>>>      
>
>  

[Erwan de FERRIERES-3]

Maybe what you are looking for is this :

https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore

In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for your
store.

HTH

Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
> Hi BJ:
> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not disable
> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo replacement?

../..
- Erwan -

[Scott Gray-2]

No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web site  
i.e. ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.

I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens  
where you can change this sort of thing.

Regards
Scott

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:

> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>
> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore
>
> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for  
> your store.
>
> HTH
>
> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>> Hi BJ:
>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not  
>> disable
>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo  
>> replacement?
>
> ../..
> - Erwan -

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Scott:
This is a great idea, however I would argue that the logo in question is
not part of the theme (colors, fonts, layout)  but rather a part of the
content for the header. I still say it should be put back into the store
management portion of the Catalog Manager. I have created a Jira issue
#2898.

Just my 2 cents.
Ruth

Scott Gray wrote:

> No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web site
> i.e. ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.
>
> I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens
> where you can change this sort of thing.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>
>> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>>
>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore
>>
>> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for
>> your store.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>> Hi BJ:
>>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not
>>> disable
>>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo
>>> replacement?
>>
>> ../..
>> - Erwan -
>

[Anne Jessel]

Hi,

I can't think of any advantages for having the logo set for the
product store rather than for the catalog, as it is now (both in
Catalog Manager). I presume there was some reason the setting was
previously moved from product store to the catalog.

Setting per catalog rather than per store does make some sense to me.
I imagine a store might sell different lines of goods as different
catalogs, and might want a different logo for each. Perhaps a clothing
store has a different logo for their adult clothing versus their
children's clothing? Or a reseller of two or more well known brands
might use a different catalog for each brand, and want the brand logo
displayed depending on the user's chosen catalog.

I have no idea whether the above makes sense. Feel free to ignore it.
Just throwing the thought out there, because presumably someone had a
reason for moving the setting from the product store settings to the
catalog settings in Catalog Manager.

Cheers,
Anne.

2009/9/7 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Scott:
> This is a great idea, however I would argue that the logo in question is not
> part of the theme (colors, fonts, layout)  but rather a part of the content
> for the header. I still say it should be put back into the store management
> portion of the Catalog Manager. I have created a Jira issue #2898.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> Ruth
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>>
>> No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web site i.e.
>> ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.
>>
>> I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens where
>> you can change this sort of thing.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>>>
>>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore
>>>
>>> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for your
>>> store.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not disable
>>>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>>>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo
>>>> replacement?
>>>
>>> ../..
>>> - Erwan -
>>
>

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[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Anne:
I appreciate your comments.

In my experience, the store logo almost always remains the same. For
example, look at Amazon. No matter where you go on any Amazon site you
see the same store logo. The catalog and category image logos may
change, but the store logo (the one in the header at the top and left of
the page) remains the same. IMHO, no store owner would want more than
one company/store logo. After all, branding is all about getting people
to recognize your logo and then associate that with something. If you
have more than one store logo... well that just makes branding that much
more difficult.

BTW, I'm not saying don't allow setting of logo's per catalog. Certainly
we would want to preserve that. You can still do that  on category
pages. IMHO, that is where that kind of branding belongs. I'm only
suggesting that whoever decided to take away the ability to set the
store logo (top left image on the store website header) in the Catalog
Manager did not consider the full impact of what they did.

Just my 2 cents.
Ruth
Anne Jessel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't think of any advantages for having the logo set for the
> product store rather than for the catalog, as it is now (both in
> Catalog Manager). I presume there was some reason the setting was
> previously moved from product store to the catalog.
>
> Setting per catalog rather than per store does make some sense to me.
> I imagine a store might sell different lines of goods as different
> catalogs, and might want a different logo for each. Perhaps a clothing
> store has a different logo for their adult clothing versus their
> children's clothing? Or a reseller of two or more well known brands
> might use a different catalog for each brand, and want the brand logo
> displayed depending on the user's chosen catalog.
>
> I have no idea whether the above makes sense. Feel free to ignore it.
> Just throwing the thought out there, because presumably someone had a
> reason for moving the setting from the product store settings to the
> catalog settings in Catalog Manager.
>
> Cheers,
> Anne.
>
> 2009/9/7 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>  
>> Hi Scott:
>> This is a great idea, however I would argue that the logo in question is not
>> part of the theme (colors, fonts, layout)  but rather a part of the content
>> for the header. I still say it should be put back into the store management
>> portion of the Catalog Manager. I have created a Jira issue #2898.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>> Ruth
>>
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>    
>>> No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web site i.e.
>>> ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.
>>>
>>> I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens where
>>> you can change this sort of thing.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>> On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>>>>
>>>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore
>>>>
>>>> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for your
>>>> store.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>>        
>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not disable
>>>>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>>>>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo
>>>>> replacement?
>>>>>          
>>>> ../..
>>>> - Erwan -
>>>>        
>
>
>
>  

[Anne Jessel]

Hi Ruth

No problems. Just trying to stimulate other ways of thinking about
things, in case there's a good reason for not changing anything, or
for changing things in new and different ways. I personally was happy
with the old way, and am just as happy with the new way.

Not having a preference makes me more likely to argue in favour of the
side no one else is supporting. ;-)

Cheers,
Anne.

2009/9/8 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Anne:
> I appreciate your comments.
>
> In my experience, the store logo almost always remains the same. For
> example, look at Amazon. No matter where you go on any Amazon site you see
> the same store logo. The catalog and category image logos may change, but
> the store logo (the one in the header at the top and left of the page)
> remains the same. IMHO, no store owner would want more than one
> company/store logo. After all, branding is all about getting people to
> recognize your logo and then associate that with something. If you have more
> than one store logo... well that just makes branding that much more
> difficult.
>
> BTW, I'm not saying don't allow setting of logo's per catalog. Certainly we
> would want to preserve that. You can still do that  on category pages. IMHO,
> that is where that kind of branding belongs. I'm only suggesting that
> whoever decided to take away the ability to set the store logo (top left
> image on the store website header) in the Catalog Manager did not consider
> the full impact of what they did.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> Ruth
> Anne Jessel wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I can't think of any advantages for having the logo set for the
>> product store rather than for the catalog, as it is now (both in
>> Catalog Manager). I presume there was some reason the setting was
>> previously moved from product store to the catalog.
>>
>> Setting per catalog rather than per store does make some sense to me.
>> I imagine a store might sell different lines of goods as different
>> catalogs, and might want a different logo for each. Perhaps a clothing
>> store has a different logo for their adult clothing versus their
>> children's clothing? Or a reseller of two or more well known brands
>> might use a different catalog for each brand, and want the brand logo
>> displayed depending on the user's chosen catalog.
>>
>> I have no idea whether the above makes sense. Feel free to ignore it.
>> Just throwing the thought out there, because presumably someone had a
>> reason for moving the setting from the product store settings to the
>> catalog settings in Catalog Manager.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Anne.
>>
>> 2009/9/7 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Scott:
>>> This is a great idea, however I would argue that the logo in question is
>>> not
>>> part of the theme (colors, fonts, layout)  but rather a part of the
>>> content
>>> for the header. I still say it should be put back into the store
>>> management
>>> portion of the Catalog Manager. I have created a Jira issue #2898.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web site i.e.
>>>> ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.
>>>>
>>>> I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens
>>>> where
>>>> you can change this sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> HotWax Media
>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>
>>>> On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore
>>>>>
>>>>> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for
>>>>> your
>>>>> store.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not
>>>>>> disable
>>>>>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>>>>>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo
>>>>>> replacement?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ../..
>>>>> - Erwan -
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Ruthg,

I finally think you could open a Jira issue, using the explanation you wrote below

Thanks

Jacques

From: "Anne Jessel" <[hidden email]>

> Hi Ruth
>
> No problems. Just trying to stimulate other ways of thinking about
> things, in case there's a good reason for not changing anything, or
> for changing things in new and different ways. I personally was happy
> with the old way, and am just as happy with the new way.
>
> Not having a preference makes me more likely to argue in favour of the
> side no one else is supporting. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Anne.
>
> 2009/9/8 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi Anne:
>> I appreciate your comments.
>>
>> In my experience, the store logo almost always remains the same. For
>> example, look at Amazon. No matter where you go on any Amazon site you see
>> the same store logo. The catalog and category image logos may change, but
>> the store logo (the one in the header at the top and left of the page)
>> remains the same. IMHO, no store owner would want more than one
>> company/store logo. After all, branding is all about getting people to
>> recognize your logo and then associate that with something. If you have more
>> than one store logo... well that just makes branding that much more
>> difficult.
>>
>> BTW, I'm not saying don't allow setting of logo's per catalog. Certainly we
>> would want to preserve that. You can still do that on category pages. IMHO,
>> that is where that kind of branding belongs. I'm only suggesting that
>> whoever decided to take away the ability to set the store logo (top left
>> image on the store website header) in the Catalog Manager did not consider
>> the full impact of what they did.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>> Ruth
>> Anne Jessel wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I can't think of any advantages for having the logo set for the
>>> product store rather than for the catalog, as it is now (both in
>>> Catalog Manager). I presume there was some reason the setting was
>>> previously moved from product store to the catalog.
>>>
>>> Setting per catalog rather than per store does make some sense to me.
>>> I imagine a store might sell different lines of goods as different
>>> catalogs, and might want a different logo for each. Perhaps a clothing
>>> store has a different logo for their adult clothing versus their
>>> children's clothing? Or a reseller of two or more well known brands
>>> might use a different catalog for each brand, and want the brand logo
>>> displayed depending on the user's chosen catalog.
>>>
>>> I have no idea whether the above makes sense. Feel free to ignore it.
>>> Just throwing the thought out there, because presumably someone had a
>>> reason for moving the setting from the product store settings to the
>>> catalog settings in Catalog Manager.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Anne.
>>>
>>> 2009/9/7 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Scott:
>>>> This is a great idea, however I would argue that the logo in question is
>>>> not
>>>> part of the theme (colors, fonts, layout) but rather a part of the
>>>> content
>>>> for the header. I still say it should be put back into the store
>>>> management
>>>> portion of the Catalog Manager. I have created a Jira issue #2898.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web site i.e.
>>>>> ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens
>>>>> where
>>>>> you can change this sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> HotWax Media
>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not
>>>>>>> disable
>>>>>>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>>>>>>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo
>>>>>>> replacement?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ../..
>>>>>> - Erwan -
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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> PO Box 2773
> Cheltenham Vic 3192
> Phone: [phone]
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>

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi Jacques:
Ok, I'll do that.
Thanks
Ruth

Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi Ruthg,
>
> I finally think you could open a Jira issue, using the explanation you
> wrote below
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Anne Jessel" <[hidden email]>
>> Hi Ruth
>>
>> No problems. Just trying to stimulate other ways of thinking about
>> things, in case there's a good reason for not changing anything, or
>> for changing things in new and different ways. I personally was happy
>> with the old way, and am just as happy with the new way.
>>
>> Not having a preference makes me more likely to argue in favour of the
>> side no one else is supporting. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Anne.
>>
>> 2009/9/8 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>>> Hi Anne:
>>> I appreciate your comments.
>>>
>>> In my experience, the store logo almost always remains the same. For
>>> example, look at Amazon. No matter where you go on any Amazon site
>>> you see
>>> the same store logo. The catalog and category image logos may
>>> change, but
>>> the store logo (the one in the header at the top and left of the page)
>>> remains the same. IMHO, no store owner would want more than one
>>> company/store logo. After all, branding is all about getting people to
>>> recognize your logo and then associate that with something. If you
>>> have more
>>> than one store logo... well that just makes branding that much more
>>> difficult.
>>>
>>> BTW, I'm not saying don't allow setting of logo's per catalog.
>>> Certainly we
>>> would want to preserve that. You can still do that on category
>>> pages. IMHO,
>>> that is where that kind of branding belongs. I'm only suggesting that
>>> whoever decided to take away the ability to set the store logo (top
>>> left
>>> image on the store website header) in the Catalog Manager did not
>>> consider
>>> the full impact of what they did.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>> Ruth
>>> Anne Jessel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I can't think of any advantages for having the logo set for the
>>>> product store rather than for the catalog, as it is now (both in
>>>> Catalog Manager). I presume there was some reason the setting was
>>>> previously moved from product store to the catalog.
>>>>
>>>> Setting per catalog rather than per store does make some sense to me.
>>>> I imagine a store might sell different lines of goods as different
>>>> catalogs, and might want a different logo for each. Perhaps a clothing
>>>> store has a different logo for their adult clothing versus their
>>>> children's clothing? Or a reseller of two or more well known brands
>>>> might use a different catalog for each brand, and want the brand logo
>>>> displayed depending on the user's chosen catalog.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea whether the above makes sense. Feel free to ignore it.
>>>> Just throwing the thought out there, because presumably someone had a
>>>> reason for moving the setting from the product store settings to the
>>>> catalog settings in Catalog Manager.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Anne.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/9/7 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Scott:
>>>>> This is a great idea, however I would argue that the logo in
>>>>> question is
>>>>> not
>>>>> part of the theme (colors, fonts, layout) but rather a part of the
>>>>> content
>>>>> for the header. I still say it should be put back into the store
>>>>> management
>>>>> portion of the Catalog Manager. I have created a Jira issue #2898.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No that just specifies the visual theme set to use for the web
>>>>>> site i.e.
>>>>>> ECOMMERCE or BACKOFFICE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think what we really need is some visual theme management screens
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> you can change this sort of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HotWax Media
>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe what you are looking for is this :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditWebSite?webSiteId=WebStore 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the bottom part of the list, you can select the visual theme for
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 06/09/2009 20:18, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>> I submitted a bug report. This is a bug. IMHO, themes should not
>>>>>>>> disable
>>>>>>>> this feature. For example, they don't disable putting a Title and
>>>>>>>> Sub-title on the store's header. Why disable the dynamic logo
>>>>>>>> replacement?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ../..
>>>>>>> - Erwan -
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> PO Box 2773
>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>> Phone: [phone]
>> Fax: [phone]
>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/
>> Email: [hidden email]
>>
>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system
>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/
>>
>
>
>