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i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... rite now m learning ofbiz .... and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this or not ?? m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... i'v time of around an year ...we'r a group of 5 ... rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which package containes which files and what are their purpose ... so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning process of ofbiz and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? please rply sooon ...... |
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https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/FAQ+-+Tips+-+Tricks+-+Cookbook+-+HowTo Jacques From: "Aayush" <[hidden email]> > i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... > i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... > rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. > and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... > but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this > or not ?? > m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... > i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which only 2 of > us are taking training ... > but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... > > rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to > reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to > understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on > that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications > available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which package > containes which files and what are their purpose ... > > so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning > process of ofbiz > > and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? > please rply sooon ...... > -- > View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/how-to-make-myself-good-at-ofbiz-tp2322188p2322188.html > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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Hello Ayush ,
Its really great that you have chosen OFBiz as you major project for training , and as you mentioned that you are getting training under hotwax media corp. so , I would suggest you to go through the basic PRACTICE APPLICATION and watch the video's of ofbiz that are available on documentation page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide Regards Ravindra Mandre On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aayush <[hidden email]> wrote: > > i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... > i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... > rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. > and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... > but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this > or not ?? > m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... > i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which only 2 > of > us are taking training ... > but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... > > rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to > reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to > understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on > that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications > available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which > package > containes which files and what are their purpose ... > > so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning > process of ofbiz > > and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? > please rply sooon ...... > -- > View this message in context: > http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/how-to-make-myself-good-at-ofbiz-tp2322188p2322188.html > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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Hi Aayush,
For project selection :- http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=Suggest%20Project%20topics#query:Suggest%20Project%20topics+page:1+mid:o2ubitr7m7mxud4u+state:results HTH. Regards -- Chirag Manocha Emforium Software Pvt. Ltd. Contact :- +91-98735-47457, +91-98263-19099 Please don't print this Email unless you really need to - this will preserve trees on planet earth. From: "Ravindra Mandre" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:59:07 PM Subject: Re: how to make myself good at ofbiz Hello Ayush , Its really great that you have chosen OFBiz as you major project for training , and as you mentioned that you are getting training under hotwax media corp. so , I would suggest you to go through the basic PRACTICE APPLICATION and watch the video's of ofbiz that are available on documentation page. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide Regards Ravindra Mandre On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Aayush <[hidden email]> wrote: > > i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... > i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... > rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. > and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... > but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this > or not ?? > m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... > i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which only 2 > of > us are taking training ... > but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... > > rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to > reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to > understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on > that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications > available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which > package > containes which files and what are their purpose ... > > so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning > process of ofbiz > > and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? > please rply sooon ...... > -- > View this message in context: > http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/how-to-make-myself-good-at-ofbiz-tp2322188p2322188.html > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > |
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Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some insights.
1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the discipline. 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to each time, so the more exposure the more retention. 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and predict the outcome. 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User perspective, as well as your overall project. Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: > > i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... > i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... > rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. > and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... > but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this > or not ?? > m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... > i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which only 2 of > us are taking training ... > but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... > > rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to > reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to > understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on > that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications > available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which package > containes which files and what are their purpose ... > > so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning > process of ofbiz > > and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? > please rply sooon ...... |
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I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI in the SFA component.
Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by Sugar CRM for instance... We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... Jacques From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> > Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some insights. > 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. > 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the > discipline. > 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to > each time, so the more exposure the more retention. > 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is > essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. > > my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. > 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand a > word or concept stop till you have figured it out. > 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and > predict the outcome. > 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand > the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. > > your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours to > accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a > Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also > have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. > > Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to > dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. > > Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime > experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User > perspective, as well as your overall project. > > > > Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >> >> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. >> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this >> or not ?? >> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which only 2 of >> us are taking training ... >> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... >> >> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to >> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to >> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on >> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications >> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which package >> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >> >> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning >> process of ofbiz >> >> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >> please rply sooon ...... > |
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Aaysuh,
Thanks for your interest in learning Ofbiz. Based on information you have provided I can guess you are located in Indore. To help Ofbiz acceptance in developer community, We are open for collaboration with students and colleges. If you have time, please visit our Indore office to check possibilities of linking with one of the mentors for building your project or enrolling in student internship program. Thanks and Regards Anil Patel HotWax Media Inc Find us on the web at www.hotwaxmedia.com or Google Keyword "ofbiz" On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Aayush wrote: > > i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... > i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... > rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. > and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... > but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on this > or not ?? > m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... > i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which only 2 of > us are taking training ... > but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... > > rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to > reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to > understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on > that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications > available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which package > containes which files and what are their purpose ... > > so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning > process of ofbiz > > and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? > please rply sooon ...... > -- > View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/how-to-make-myself-good-at-ofbiz-tp2322188p2322188.html > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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I agree though I did this in SWT using the Eclipse UI format in 2006.
I have been thinking through how to leverage the portlets to make a CRM interface. but with everything else that about as far as it has gotten. Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/12/2010 4:01 AM: > I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI in the > SFA component. Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by > Sugar CRM for instance... > We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... > > Jacques > > From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some >> insights. >> 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. >> 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the >> discipline. >> 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to >> each time, so the more exposure the more retention. >> 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is >> essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. >> >> my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. >> 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand >> a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. >> 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and >> predict the outcome. >> 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand >> the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. >> >> your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours >> to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a >> Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also >> have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. >> >> Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to >> dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. >> >> Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime >> experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User >> perspective, as well as your overall project. >> >> >> >> Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >>> >>> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >>> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >>> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. >>> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >>> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on >>> this >>> or not ?? >>> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >>> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which >>> only 2 of >>> us are taking training ... >>> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... >>> >>> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to >>> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to >>> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on >>> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications >>> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which >>> package >>> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >>> >>> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning >>> process of ofbiz >>> >>> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >>> please rply sooon ...... >> > > |
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Actually I was suggesting this to Aayush. I really believe this part could be an opportunity for more users to be interested in OFBiz. All the data model and related services are ready. We simply need to make more it "standard". We would then achieve 2 goals, showing that OFBiz is "easily"[1] able to mimic, say Sugar CRM, and attract more people who will then discover all what OFBiz can offer under the hood! It could be also an opportunity to do it with jQuery which is simply the best when it comes to create a Fancy UI. So my proposition to Aayush, or anyone interested in OFBiz, would be to create a new CRM component in special purpose. Based on SFA and Marketing elements, mimicking Sugar CRM but enhancing it whit jQuery to really show to people that we can do better! Thanks to Erwan (there was a quick free PDF offer during FIFA World Cup) I'm currently (slowly) reading http://www.sitepoint.com/books/jquery1/ and I amazed how easy and clever jQuery syntax is. I believe that when the jQuery branch will be merged in trunk a next step in OFBiz reputation will come because it will be far easier to use bells and whistles. It's only UI but UI is what people 1st see... Morevoer I have a client interested and willing to contribute (in jQuery not CRM). The only drawback with jQuery is to have to deal with many "repos" as it's a world in itself (lot of plugins...). We should also try to keep the UI *consistent*, else it could be worse than anything else and with jQuery's world this is not easy... Note this: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/03/11/all-scripts-used-in-jquery-novice-to-ninja-are-now-free-to-download/ So OFBiz enthusiasts, I tried to put some cards on the table, it's up to you... Jacques [1] I put easily in quote because this is of course easier for someone with experience with OFBiz than for a new comers From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >I agree though I did this in SWT using the Eclipse UI format in 2006. > I have been thinking through how to leverage the portlets to make a CRM interface. > but with everything else that about as far as it has gotten. > > Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/12/2010 4:01 AM: >> I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI in the >> SFA component. Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by >> Sugar CRM for instance... >> We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... >> >> Jacques >> >> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>> Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some >>> insights. >>> 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. >>> 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the >>> discipline. >>> 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to >>> each time, so the more exposure the more retention. >>> 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is >>> essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. >>> >>> my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. >>> 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand >>> a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. >>> 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and >>> predict the outcome. >>> 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand >>> the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. >>> >>> your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours >>> to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a >>> Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also >>> have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. >>> >>> Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to >>> dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. >>> >>> Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime >>> experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User >>> perspective, as well as your overall project. >>> >>> >>> >>> Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >>>> >>>> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >>>> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >>>> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. >>>> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >>>> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on >>>> this >>>> or not ?? >>>> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >>>> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which >>>> only 2 of >>>> us are taking training ... >>>> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... >>>> >>>> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m able to >>>> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to >>>> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be working on >>>> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications >>>> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which >>>> package >>>> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >>>> >>>> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the learning >>>> process of ofbiz >>>> >>>> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >>>> please rply sooon ...... >>> >> >> > |
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hi Mr.BJ Freeman,
                                I am really obliged the way you answered my question. This is what i was expecting from someone. Its amazing that you shared those rules with me. I would try n struck to these rules not only to learn ofbiz but in any 'Discipline' which would follow me. It was really great reading that inspiring message Thank you On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, BJ Freeman [via OFBiz] <[hidden email]> wrote: Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some insights. |
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We also thought that this would be the next logical step for us to move into OFBiz (and therefore build out) but not quite go as far as copying SugarCRM but first take one part and build that out to get the simpler stuff working first. I was thinking that this probably would be to make the issue tracking in SFA to work more efficiently - we get around 1,000 emails a day here so it would be a good test. I liked the features from http://www.kayako.com/demo/ so borrowed healivy from them for the requirements but the one thing I don't know is when I can get someone on it. I am wondering why though you want to build it in a new component rather than extend the existing SFA one when the foundations of replicated SugarCRM already exist? Cheers Sam On 13/08/2010 02:08, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi BJ, > > Actually I was suggesting this to Aayush. > > I really believe this part could be an opportunity for more users to be > interested in OFBiz. > All the data model and related services are ready. We simply need to > make more it "standard". > We would then achieve 2 goals, showing that OFBiz is "easily"[1] able to > mimic, say Sugar CRM, and attract more people who will then discover all > what OFBiz can offer under the hood! > It could be also an opportunity to do it with jQuery which is simply the > best when it comes to create a Fancy UI. > > So my proposition to Aayush, or anyone interested in OFBiz, would be to > create a new CRM component in special purpose. Based on SFA and > Marketing elements, mimicking Sugar CRM but enhancing it whit jQuery to > really show to people that we can do better! > Thanks to Erwan (there was a quick free PDF offer during FIFA World Cup) > I'm currently (slowly) reading http://www.sitepoint.com/books/jquery1/ > and I amazed how easy and clever jQuery syntax is. I believe that when > the jQuery branch will be merged in trunk a next step in OFBiz > reputation will come because it will be far easier to use bells and > whistles. It's only UI but UI is what people 1st see... Morevoer I have > a client interested and willing to contribute (in jQuery not CRM). > > The only drawback with jQuery is to have to deal with many "repos" as > it's a world in itself (lot of plugins...). We should also try to keep > the UI *consistent*, else it could be worse than anything else and with > jQuery's world this is not easy... > > Note this: > http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/03/11/all-scripts-used-in-jquery-novice-to-ninja-are-now-free-to-download/ > > > So OFBiz enthusiasts, I tried to put some cards on the table, it's up to > you... > > Jacques > [1] I put easily in quote because this is of course easier for someone > with experience with OFBiz than for a new comers > > From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> I agree though I did this in SWT using the Eclipse UI format in 2006. >> I have been thinking through how to leverage the portlets to make a >> CRM interface. >> but with everything else that about as far as it has gotten. >> >> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/12/2010 4:01 AM: >>> I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI in the >>> SFA component. Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by >>> Sugar CRM for instance... >>> We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >>>> Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some >>>> insights. >>>> 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. >>>> 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the >>>> discipline. >>>> 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to >>>> each time, so the more exposure the more retention. >>>> 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is >>>> essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. >>>> >>>> my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. >>>> 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand >>>> a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. >>>> 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and >>>> predict the outcome. >>>> 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand >>>> the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. >>>> >>>> your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours >>>> to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a >>>> Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also >>>> have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. >>>> >>>> Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to >>>> dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. >>>> >>>> Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime >>>> experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User >>>> perspective, as well as your overall project. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >>>>> >>>>> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >>>>> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >>>>> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. >>>>> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >>>>> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on >>>>> this >>>>> or not ?? >>>>> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >>>>> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which >>>>> only 2 of >>>>> us are taking training ... >>>>> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... >>>>> >>>>> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m >>>>> able to >>>>> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to >>>>> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be >>>>> working on >>>>> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications >>>>> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which >>>>> package >>>>> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >>>>> >>>>> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the >>>>> learning >>>>> process of ofbiz >>>>> >>>>> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >>>>> please rply sooon ...... >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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SFA is just part of CRM, so really it would be more like the accounting
you would CRM then subtabs for SFA CS(customer service) they would all be one component but different webapps. The Portlets would then borrow from the component based on the roles of the login. Sam Hamilton sent the following on 8/13/2010 3:00 AM: > Hi Guys, > > We also thought that this would be the next logical step for us to move > into OFBiz (and therefore build out) but not quite go as far as copying > SugarCRM but first take one part and build that out to get the simpler > stuff working first. > > I was thinking that this probably would be to make the issue tracking in > SFA to work more efficiently - we get around 1,000 emails a day here so > it would be a good test. I liked the features from > http://www.kayako.com/demo/ so borrowed healivy from them for the > requirements but the one thing I don't know is when I can get someone on > it. > > I am wondering why though you want to build it in a new component rather > than extend the existing SFA one when the foundations of replicated > SugarCRM already exist? > > Cheers > Sam > > > On 13/08/2010 02:08, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Hi BJ, >> >> Actually I was suggesting this to Aayush. >> >> I really believe this part could be an opportunity for more users to be >> interested in OFBiz. >> All the data model and related services are ready. We simply need to >> make more it "standard". >> We would then achieve 2 goals, showing that OFBiz is "easily"[1] able to >> mimic, say Sugar CRM, and attract more people who will then discover all >> what OFBiz can offer under the hood! >> It could be also an opportunity to do it with jQuery which is simply the >> best when it comes to create a Fancy UI. >> >> So my proposition to Aayush, or anyone interested in OFBiz, would be to >> create a new CRM component in special purpose. Based on SFA and >> Marketing elements, mimicking Sugar CRM but enhancing it whit jQuery to >> really show to people that we can do better! >> Thanks to Erwan (there was a quick free PDF offer during FIFA World Cup) >> I'm currently (slowly) reading http://www.sitepoint.com/books/jquery1/ >> and I amazed how easy and clever jQuery syntax is. I believe that when >> the jQuery branch will be merged in trunk a next step in OFBiz >> reputation will come because it will be far easier to use bells and >> whistles. It's only UI but UI is what people 1st see... Morevoer I have >> a client interested and willing to contribute (in jQuery not CRM). >> >> The only drawback with jQuery is to have to deal with many "repos" as >> it's a world in itself (lot of plugins...). We should also try to keep >> the UI *consistent*, else it could be worse than anything else and with >> jQuery's world this is not easy... >> >> Note this: >> http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/03/11/all-scripts-used-in-jquery-novice-to-ninja-are-now-free-to-download/ >> >> >> So OFBiz enthusiasts, I tried to put some cards on the table, it's up to >> you... >> >> Jacques >> [1] I put easily in quote because this is of course easier for someone >> with experience with OFBiz than for a new comers >> >> From: "BJ Freeman"<[hidden email]> >>> I agree though I did this in SWT using the Eclipse UI format in 2006. >>> I have been thinking through how to leverage the portlets to make a >>> CRM interface. >>> but with everything else that about as far as it has gotten. >>> >>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/12/2010 4:01 AM: >>>> I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI in the >>>> SFA component. Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by >>>> Sugar CRM for instance... >>>> We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<[hidden email]> >>>>> Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some >>>>> insights. >>>>> 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. >>>>> 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the >>>>> discipline. >>>>> 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to >>>>> each time, so the more exposure the more retention. >>>>> 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is >>>>> essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. >>>>> >>>>> my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. >>>>> 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand >>>>> a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. >>>>> 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and >>>>> predict the outcome. >>>>> 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand >>>>> the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. >>>>> >>>>> your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours >>>>> to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a >>>>> Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also >>>>> have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. >>>>> >>>>> Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to >>>>> dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. >>>>> >>>>> Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime >>>>> experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User >>>>> perspective, as well as your overall project. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >>>>>> >>>>>> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >>>>>> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >>>>>> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. >>>>>> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >>>>>> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on >>>>>> this >>>>>> or not ?? >>>>>> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >>>>>> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which >>>>>> only 2 of >>>>>> us are taking training ... >>>>>> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... >>>>>> >>>>>> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m >>>>>> able to >>>>>> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to >>>>>> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be >>>>>> working on >>>>>> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications >>>>>> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which >>>>>> package >>>>>> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >>>>>> >>>>>> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the >>>>>> learning >>>>>> process of ofbiz >>>>>> >>>>>> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >>>>>> please rply sooon ...... >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Yes I agree with you BJ,
CRM-> SFA, CS would be the way to go. Also don't forget we have the related Marketing component, maybe it should rather stay apart, as it's now? But some parts could be moved to a new CRM component. I think about Segments and Contact List. Sam, The reason I suggested to use a de facto standard is because people when evaluating will compare to it. And with the same but more maybe they could be inclined to choose more, if they need it. It's more a marketing strategy than anything really thought out. Because I got some prospects willing something like that. I don't know anything about kayako, but as ever with the Apache way, if you think it's better and have good arguments then we should of course discuss it. Could you please give the reasons you picked it (over SugarCRM if possible) Thanks Jacques From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> > SFA is just part of CRM, so really it would be more like the accounting you would CRM then subtabs for SFA CS(customer service) > they would all be one component but different webapps. > The Portlets would then borrow from the component based on the roles of the login. > > Sam Hamilton sent the following on 8/13/2010 3:00 AM: >> Hi Guys, >> >> We also thought that this would be the next logical step for us to move >> into OFBiz (and therefore build out) but not quite go as far as copying >> SugarCRM but first take one part and build that out to get the simpler >> stuff working first. >> >> I was thinking that this probably would be to make the issue tracking in >> SFA to work more efficiently - we get around 1,000 emails a day here so >> it would be a good test. I liked the features from >> http://www.kayako.com/demo/ so borrowed healivy from them for the >> requirements but the one thing I don't know is when I can get someone on >> it. >> >> I am wondering why though you want to build it in a new component rather >> than extend the existing SFA one when the foundations of replicated >> SugarCRM already exist? >> >> Cheers >> Sam >> >> >> On 13/08/2010 02:08, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Hi BJ, >>> >>> Actually I was suggesting this to Aayush. >>> >>> I really believe this part could be an opportunity for more users to be >>> interested in OFBiz. >>> All the data model and related services are ready. We simply need to >>> make more it "standard". >>> We would then achieve 2 goals, showing that OFBiz is "easily"[1] able to >>> mimic, say Sugar CRM, and attract more people who will then discover all >>> what OFBiz can offer under the hood! >>> It could be also an opportunity to do it with jQuery which is simply the >>> best when it comes to create a Fancy UI. >>> >>> So my proposition to Aayush, or anyone interested in OFBiz, would be to >>> create a new CRM component in special purpose. Based on SFA and >>> Marketing elements, mimicking Sugar CRM but enhancing it whit jQuery to >>> really show to people that we can do better! >>> Thanks to Erwan (there was a quick free PDF offer during FIFA World Cup) >>> I'm currently (slowly) reading http://www.sitepoint.com/books/jquery1/ >>> and I amazed how easy and clever jQuery syntax is. I believe that when >>> the jQuery branch will be merged in trunk a next step in OFBiz >>> reputation will come because it will be far easier to use bells and >>> whistles. It's only UI but UI is what people 1st see... Morevoer I have >>> a client interested and willing to contribute (in jQuery not CRM). >>> >>> The only drawback with jQuery is to have to deal with many "repos" as >>> it's a world in itself (lot of plugins...). We should also try to keep >>> the UI *consistent*, else it could be worse than anything else and with >>> jQuery's world this is not easy... >>> >>> Note this: >>> http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/03/11/all-scripts-used-in-jquery-novice-to-ninja-are-now-free-to-download/ >>> >>> >>> So OFBiz enthusiasts, I tried to put some cards on the table, it's up to >>> you... >>> >>> Jacques >>> [1] I put easily in quote because this is of course easier for someone >>> with experience with OFBiz than for a new comers >>> >>> From: "BJ Freeman"<[hidden email]> >>>> I agree though I did this in SWT using the Eclipse UI format in 2006. >>>> I have been thinking through how to leverage the portlets to make a >>>> CRM interface. >>>> but with everything else that about as far as it has gotten. >>>> >>>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/12/2010 4:01 AM: >>>>> I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI in the >>>>> SFA component. Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by >>>>> Sugar CRM for instance... >>>>> We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<[hidden email]> >>>>>> Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some >>>>>> insights. >>>>>> 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. >>>>>> 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in the >>>>>> discipline. >>>>>> 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is exposed to >>>>>> each time, so the more exposure the more retention. >>>>>> 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is >>>>>> essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. >>>>>> >>>>>> my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. >>>>>> 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't understand >>>>>> a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. >>>>>> 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and >>>>>> predict the outcome. >>>>>> 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you understand >>>>>> the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. >>>>>> >>>>>> your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours >>>>>> to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set down a >>>>>> Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should also >>>>>> have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to >>>>>> dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime >>>>>> experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User >>>>>> perspective, as well as your overall project. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >>>>>>> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >>>>>>> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media corp.. >>>>>>> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >>>>>>> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull project on >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> or not ?? >>>>>>> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >>>>>>> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which >>>>>>> only 2 of >>>>>>> us are taking training ... >>>>>>> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m >>>>>>> able to >>>>>>> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r unable to >>>>>>> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be >>>>>>> working on >>>>>>> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 applications >>>>>>> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know which >>>>>>> package >>>>>>> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the >>>>>>> learning >>>>>>> process of ofbiz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >>>>>>> please rply sooon ...... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > |
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Good point about marketing. it and SFA are similar, in that they are
both marketing. some companies send out Mailers then follow up with phone canvasing. others do a email campaign then target those that respond to the links. ofbiz now does not have a way to personalize links to they can be tracked. maybe using the trackingnumber and partyID, but I don't like using partyID. could use the contact Mech and make a new type of electronic. Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/13/2010 4:16 AM: > Yes I agree with you BJ, > CRM-> SFA, CS would be the way to go. Also don't forget we have the > related Marketing component, maybe it should rather stay apart, as it's > now? But some parts could be moved to a new CRM component. I think about > Segments and Contact List. > > Sam, > The reason I suggested to use a de facto standard is because people when > evaluating will compare to it. And with the same but more maybe they > could be inclined to choose more, if they need it. It's more a marketing > strategy than anything really thought out. Because I got some prospects > willing something like that. I don't know anything about kayako, but as > ever with the Apache way, if you think it's better and have good > arguments then we should of course discuss it. Could you please give the > reasons you picked it (over SugarCRM if possible) > > Thanks > > Jacques > > From: "BJ Freeman" <[hidden email]> >> SFA is just part of CRM, so really it would be more like the >> accounting you would CRM then subtabs for SFA CS(customer service) >> they would all be one component but different webapps. >> The Portlets would then borrow from the component based on the roles >> of the login. >> >> Sam Hamilton sent the following on 8/13/2010 3:00 AM: >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> We also thought that this would be the next logical step for us to move >>> into OFBiz (and therefore build out) but not quite go as far as copying >>> SugarCRM but first take one part and build that out to get the simpler >>> stuff working first. >>> >>> I was thinking that this probably would be to make the issue tracking in >>> SFA to work more efficiently - we get around 1,000 emails a day here so >>> it would be a good test. I liked the features from >>> http://www.kayako.com/demo/ so borrowed healivy from them for the >>> requirements but the one thing I don't know is when I can get someone on >>> it. >>> >>> I am wondering why though you want to build it in a new component rather >>> than extend the existing SFA one when the foundations of replicated >>> SugarCRM already exist? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Sam >>> >>> >>> On 13/08/2010 02:08, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> Hi BJ, >>>> >>>> Actually I was suggesting this to Aayush. >>>> >>>> I really believe this part could be an opportunity for more users to be >>>> interested in OFBiz. >>>> All the data model and related services are ready. We simply need to >>>> make more it "standard". >>>> We would then achieve 2 goals, showing that OFBiz is "easily"[1] >>>> able to >>>> mimic, say Sugar CRM, and attract more people who will then discover >>>> all >>>> what OFBiz can offer under the hood! >>>> It could be also an opportunity to do it with jQuery which is simply >>>> the >>>> best when it comes to create a Fancy UI. >>>> >>>> So my proposition to Aayush, or anyone interested in OFBiz, would be to >>>> create a new CRM component in special purpose. Based on SFA and >>>> Marketing elements, mimicking Sugar CRM but enhancing it whit jQuery to >>>> really show to people that we can do better! >>>> Thanks to Erwan (there was a quick free PDF offer during FIFA World >>>> Cup) >>>> I'm currently (slowly) reading http://www.sitepoint.com/books/jquery1/ >>>> and I amazed how easy and clever jQuery syntax is. I believe that when >>>> the jQuery branch will be merged in trunk a next step in OFBiz >>>> reputation will come because it will be far easier to use bells and >>>> whistles. It's only UI but UI is what people 1st see... Morevoer I have >>>> a client interested and willing to contribute (in jQuery not CRM). >>>> >>>> The only drawback with jQuery is to have to deal with many "repos" as >>>> it's a world in itself (lot of plugins...). We should also try to keep >>>> the UI *consistent*, else it could be worse than anything else and with >>>> jQuery's world this is not easy... >>>> >>>> Note this: >>>> http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/03/11/all-scripts-used-in-jquery-novice-to-ninja-are-now-free-to-download/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So OFBiz enthusiasts, I tried to put some cards on the table, it's >>>> up to >>>> you... >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> [1] I put easily in quote because this is of course easier for someone >>>> with experience with OFBiz than for a new comers >>>> >>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<[hidden email]> >>>>> I agree though I did this in SWT using the Eclipse UI format in 2006. >>>>> I have been thinking through how to leverage the portlets to make a >>>>> CRM interface. >>>>> but with everything else that about as far as it has gotten. >>>>> >>>>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 8/12/2010 4:01 AM: >>>>>> I think OFBiz will be better if we had a better/more complete UI >>>>>> in the >>>>>> SFA component. Even maybe a new more simple CRM component inspired by >>>>>> Sugar CRM for instance... >>>>>> We already discussed about this in more details in fall 2009... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<[hidden email]> >>>>>>> Having been a successful instructor in the past, let me share some >>>>>>> insights. >>>>>>> 1) each discipline will require X number of manhours to accomplish. >>>>>>> 2)decent Knowledge can only be evaluated by someone proficient in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> discipline. >>>>>>> 3)the brain usually only retains 10% of the knowledge it is >>>>>>> exposed to >>>>>>> each time, so the more exposure the more retention. >>>>>>> 4)building on a solid foundation of core operations of Discipline is >>>>>>> essential to accomplishing higher function of the discipline. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my dad gave me three rules for learning a new Discipline. >>>>>>> 1)read everything there is about a Discipline if you don't >>>>>>> understand >>>>>>> a word or concept stop till you have figured it out. >>>>>>> 2)When you think you understand a concept, change the process and >>>>>>> predict the outcome. >>>>>>> 3)Run the process. if the outcome is what you predicted you >>>>>>> understand >>>>>>> the concept. If not go back to #1` you missed something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> your instructor(consultant) of OFBiz should understands the manhours >>>>>>> to accomplish the tasks you need to perform and should have set >>>>>>> down a >>>>>>> Course of actions that you need to follow. The instructor should >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> have a fair Idea of your proficiency and short comings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once you have the manhours required and you know your ability to >>>>>>> dedicate to those hours, will determine you success on completion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Setting up the Project Manger in ofbiz will give you some realtime >>>>>>> experience and help you evaluate your goals and Ofbiz from a User >>>>>>> perspective, as well as your overall project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aayush sent the following on 8/11/2010 9:17 PM: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i am a student of engineering in computer science branch .... >>>>>>>> i'v a decent knowledge of core java and servelet, JDBC and JSP ... >>>>>>>> rite now m taking training under an employee of hot-wax media >>>>>>>> corp.. >>>>>>>> and im planning to make my major project in ofbiz itself ... >>>>>>>> but m having a doubt that i wud be able to make sucessfull >>>>>>>> project on >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> or not ?? >>>>>>>> m not doubting OFBiz ...rather m challanging myself ... >>>>>>>> i'v time of around an year ...i'v a group of 5 people and of which >>>>>>>> only 2 of >>>>>>>> us are taking training ... >>>>>>>> but we wud be teaching the rest of them whatever is coming to us >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> rite now we'v understood how a request has to be traced ...so m >>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>> reach upto the desired code location ......but rite now we'r >>>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>>> understand the services (business logics) ...we wud surely be >>>>>>>> working on >>>>>>>> that ....we'v implemented the hello1, hello2 and hello3 >>>>>>>> applications >>>>>>>> available on the tutorials available on net ....so now we know >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> package >>>>>>>> containes which files and what are their purpose ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so what do u think wud be a good idea to proceed further in the >>>>>>>> learning >>>>>>>> process of ofbiz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and what wud be a good idea to make a project on ????? >>>>>>>> please rply sooon ...... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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