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[jira] Created: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

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css layout issue IE8
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                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
             Project: OFBiz
          Issue Type: Bug
          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04
         Environment: IE8
            Reporter: chris snow
         Attachments: Screenshot.png

main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.

see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Updated: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

Nicolas Malin (Jira)

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chris snow updated OFBIZ-2832:
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    Attachment: Screenshot.png

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Updated: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

Nicolas Malin (Jira)
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chris snow updated OFBIZ-2832:
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    Attachment: Screenshot-1.png

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Updated: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

Nicolas Malin (Jira)
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Jacques Le Roux updated OFBIZ-2832:
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    Affects Version/s: SVN trunk

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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WIthout a patch I'm sure this issue will remain open *a very long time*. Who cares about IE8 ? [IE is dead|http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp] :D, vive Firefox !

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

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chris snow commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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I much prefer firefox over IE.  However, 1/10 people visiting ofbiz sites (including my customers) will see a buggy application.

I will see if I can fix the problem but my css skills are basic.

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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Maybe we could also detect IE and put a message to suggest users to use Firefox or another modern browser ?

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Re: [jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

Ruth Hoffman-2
Great idea! As long as the message isn't to "pushy". Something like
"This site is best viewed with Firefox and other standards compliant
browsers"
Jacques Le Roux (JIRA) wrote:

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>
> Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Maybe we could also detect IE and put a message to suggest users to use Firefox or another modern browser ?
>
>  
>> css layout issue IE8
>> --------------------
>>
>>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>>             Project: OFBiz
>>          Issue Type: Bug
>>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>>         Environment: IE8
>>            Reporter: chris snow
>>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>>
>>
>> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
>> see screenshot(s)
>>    
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Re: [jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

Jacques Le Roux
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Please Ruth,

Rather than answering on the dev ML, in a general way put a comment in the Jira issue : it far easier for history of comments.

Thanks

Jacques

From: "Ruth Hoffman" <[hidden email]>

> Great idea! As long as the message isn't to "pushy". Something like "This site is best viewed with Firefox and other standards
> compliant browsers"
> Jacques Le Roux (JIRA) wrote:
>>     [
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12743665#action_12743665 ]
>> Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> Maybe we could also detect IE and put a message to suggest users to use Firefox or another modern browser ?
>>
>>
>>> css layout issue IE8
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>>>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>>>             Project: OFBiz
>>>          Issue Type: Bug
>>>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>>>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>>>         Environment: IE8
>>>            Reporter: chris snow
>>>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>>>
>>>
>>> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
>>> see screenshot(s)
>>>
>>
>>
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[jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

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chris snow commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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Agreed. The world would be a much nicer place without IE!

Joking aside, is there a supported browser policy for ofbiz?  At what market share % will IE8 be considered to be a supported browser for ofbiz? IE8 has gone from 0% to 9% share in just 6 months.

I actually think the stats are a bit flawed for the link you gave above. All versions of firefox are lumped under the heading of firefox whereas IE stats are broken down by version. IE (all versions) = 39.4% market share versus Firefox 47.9%.

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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There are no official policy, but I guess everybody here has gave up sustaining IE crasyness OOTB (this don't mean you don't have to take care of it if your clients really need IE, of course). It easy to explain to people that IE is not a good browser as long as you can show it.

About the link, yes maybe, but what is really interesting here is the trend not the absolute valuesactually. Also you may be interested by this one
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-daily-20080701-20090706, have a look by continent, in Europe IE is really losing market shares...

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Erwan de FERRIERES commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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maybe we can reuse this code, and adapt the message to get users to download firefox  ?

http://www.stoplivinginthepast.com/get-the-code/

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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{quote]
maybe we can reuse this code, and adapt the message to get users to download firefox ?
http://www.stoplivinginthepast.com/get-the-code/
{quote]

I like, Erwan's idea. What do you people think about it ? We could suggest to replace IE by FF, please comment.

Thanks

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Scott Gray commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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I'm against the idea:
1.  The back end applications are for business use, no company wants their applications telling them what browsers to use across the company
2.  An eCommerce site is no place to be pushing one browser over another, people go to site to buy your products, why would you want to distract them from that goal?

My opinion is that we should do our utmost to support as many browsers as possible in ecommerce but for the backend apps we should only support the most popular browser versions.

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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chris snow commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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I agree with Scott.  Although IE6 is a pig:

1) Large organisations tell you what browsers they use.  They don't expect you to tell them.  One of my client's has IE6 installed on over 4000 desktops!

2) Due to increasing threats with internet security, consumers want to know that they are dealing with professional organisations.  An ecommerce site that doesn't work makes the consumer question whether they should be purchasing from that site.

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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I was only speaking as a feature OOTB which could be removed easily. We could put some directions in the wiki setup page on how to quicly remove it. Moreover this would be only on the ERP side.

Actually the idea is that we will never end fixing the pig (IE8 is still a pig). I'm sure there are still places where IE is unusable. But it's a pain for us to fix it and we have not enough resources to do so. BTW I see more this as a warning than anything else. Somehting saying like (bu more polite of course) "Hey, you use IE, maybe you will cross some problems we have not identified, because IE is a pig"

BTW, if someone has a solution for this particular issue, I'm ready to review it...

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Ashish Vijaywargiya commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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>> Agreed. The world would be a much nicer place without IE!

Without IE & Windows OS. ;0)  

Only little initial effort is required to move towards stable world of Unix derivative OS.
Sorry for the OFF topic comment - but I guess this would be fine :-).

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> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Ashish Vijaywargiya commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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>> I agree with Scott.  Although IE6 is a pig:

Very well said Chris - I like it - +1.



> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
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> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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[jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-2832) css layout issue IE8

Nicolas Malin (Jira)
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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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Finally if it's only a warning, I think it could be also on eCommerce.

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
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> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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Jacques Le Roux commented on OFBIZ-2832:
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One way to see it is in a didactic way...

Any others opinions ?

> css layout issue IE8
> --------------------
>
>                 Key: OFBIZ-2832
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2832
>             Project: OFBiz
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>    Affects Versions: Release Branch 9.04, SVN trunk
>         Environment: IE8
>            Reporter: chris snow
>         Attachments: Screenshot-1.png, Screenshot.png
>
>
> main section is positioned under last box on the left hand column.
> see screenshot(s)

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