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If is definitely a question Hans - the How I'm sure we'll be able to figure out. I like the idea of a chat being inside of OFBiz - it can help on all kinds of levels from helping with errors to walking a user thru the ecomm site to find the particular pieces to whatever - I can't couldn't care less about tweeting in there though - the general nature of it would be bad and difficult for a company to manage.
If ESME does chats - and also can offer Twitter like messaging, then I think we could have the best of both worlds. Hope that helps. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Jeroen van der Wal wrote: > But still in all discussions it's not clear to me WHY it should be IN > Ofbiz. Please go ahead and create it but if you implement a feature > just because you can, don't compare it with alternatives and didn't > find a business driver I find a waste of resources. But I'm more then > happy to be proven wrong, perhaps I'm not seeing things clear ;-) > > Regards, > Jeroen > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Hans Bakker > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 13:59 +0100, Jeroen van der Wal wrote: >>> Hi Hans, >>> >>> I understand what it can do. Can you tell me why this feature should >>> be integrated into Ofbiz? >>> >> >> Then we are getting into the discussion if ESME is useful or not. That >> is why i copied the first page in a previous message. Please check >> earlier messages where i understood that in general the community agreed >> it was useful. >> >> This proposal is not that IF we should use ESME but only how.... >> >> Regards, >> Hans >> >> >>> -Jeroen >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Hans Bakker >>> <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> This will give you a twitter environment only visible by users of a >>>> particular ofbiz system so within a company, i.e. not public. >>>> >>>> A twitter environment is more general than chat and encourages >>>> collaboration much more....chat is only person to person...but it looks >>>> like it can do chat too... >>>> >>>> On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 12:48 +0100, Jeroen van der Wal wrote: >>>>> Hi Hans, >>>>> >>>>> Your proposal looks interesting from an technical point of view but >>>>> I'm have trouble picturing a real life business scenario, can you >>>>> provide some examples? And most important, can you address why this >>>>> should be integrated into Ofbiz? Isn't it easier to integrate with >>>>> (any) external chat server using an API? >>>>> >>>>> Jeroen van der Wal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Hans Bakker >>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> Proposal: >>>>>> >>>>>> We are looking to copy an ESME server within OFBiz as a component to >>>>>> allow for twitter like messaging within the OFBiz environment. >>>>>> >>>>>> users coming on the ecommerce site can 'twitter' a message which is >>>>>> monitored by the system admin, who can answer the questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Logged in users can follow other registered users and can twitter what >>>>>> they are doing... >>>>>> >>>>>> more info at >>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/Collaboration+with+OFbiz >>>>>> >>>>>> any thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Hans (@hansbak) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates >>>> >>>> >> -- >> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates >> >> |
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Hans, thanks for taking the extra time articulating all of this information - and no I don't think people are just giving you a hard time. I, for one, appreciate you telling us all a bit more about the infrastructure and how it can be utilized - and am all for it!
Thanks for bringing it to the table and for providing such a great description. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Dec 12, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: > Some users are wondering if ESME is useful to add to OFBiz or not, > therefore some promotion why I think it is interesting and yes I have > business cases for it: > > 1. It started with a request of our customers to have a chat possibility > in e-commerce for new users to ask questions via chat. I looked at 2 > chat open source frameworks. Then ESME was proposed here in the mailing > list. My opinion is that if ESME can do chat too, then better go for > ESME so we have also twitter functions. (as Tim also stated) > > 2. ESME allows to use the twitter principle in a protected business > environment: developers/marketeers exchanging ideas, announcing news and > problems. (yes you should use OFBiz in your company to see these > benefits) > If you are still not convinced of twitter in a business environment: get > a twitter account and follow me: @hansbak i will keep you informed about > ESME within OFBiz and you will have the opportunity for point 3 as a > bonus. > > 3. ESME was actually born in the SAP environment and many people from > this environment now getting exposed to OFBiz because we are looking at > ESME too and the ESME people "retweet" my ESME experiences to their > network of twitter accounts. > > I was not convinced about this twitter stuff but using this for my ESME > investigations has shown me that it is actually pretty exiting getting > to know so much new people in such a short time. > > David thanks for the support because it looks like that the OFBiz > community has a problem accepting new functions like this one, even if > it does not affect their usage of OFBiz. So please people, not too > conservative and always be open to new developments! > > Regards, > Hans > > > > > On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 16:30 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote: >> Proposal: >> >> We are looking to copy an ESME server within OFBiz as a component to >> allow for twitter like messaging within the OFBiz environment. >> >> users coming on the ecommerce site can 'twitter' a message which is >> monitored by the system admin, who can answer the questions. >> >> Logged in users can follow other registered users and can twitter what >> they are doing... >> >> more info at >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/Collaboration+with+OFbiz >> >> any thoughts? >> >> regards, >> Hans (@hansbak) >> > -- > Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates > |
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right, this is really silly already! Manuel.
On 13 Dec 2009, at 00:54, David E Jones wrote: > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > >> Hans Bakker wrote: >>> On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 13:59 +0100, Jeroen van der Wal wrote: >>>> Hi Hans, >>>> >>>> I understand what it can do. Can you tell me why this feature >>>> should >>>> be integrated into Ofbiz? >>>> >>> >>> Then we are getting into the discussion if ESME is useful or not. >>> That >>> is why i copied the first page in a previous message. Please check >>> earlier messages where i understood that in general the community >>> agreed >>> it was useful. >>> >>> This proposal is not that IF we should use ESME but only how.... >> >> It is first if we can, then it is how. Things that go into ofbiz >> trunk must be useful for everyone, and you need to explain why this >> would be useful, and in which situations. > > That's silly, being useful for "everyone" has never been a > requirement for a contribution... > > If Hans likes it enough to work on it, I see no reason for anyone to > give him a hard time for it. > > -David > |
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SIPfoundry sipXecs is LGPL, i know it is only compatible in binary
form, but still. it is user friendly, based on java. in their next version they are integrating openfire, a jabber/XMPP server based on java, and dimdim, web conferencing. both are GPL, but we do not need to distribute them... anyone interested? manuel. On 13 Dec 2009, at 01:27, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "David E Jones" <[hidden email]> >> On Dec 12, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Adam Heath wrote: >>> Hans Bakker wrote: >>>> On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 13:59 +0100, Jeroen van der Wal wrote: >>>>> Hi Hans, >>>>> I understand what it can do. Can you tell me why this feature >>>>> should >>>>> be integrated into Ofbiz? >>>> Then we are getting into the discussion if ESME is useful or not. >>>> That >>>> is why i copied the first page in a previous message. Please check >>>> earlier messages where i understood that in general the community >>>> agreed >>>> it was useful. >>>> This proposal is not that IF we should use ESME but only how.... >>> It is first if we can, then it is how. Things that go into ofbiz >>> trunk must be useful for everyone, and you need to explain why this >>> would be useful, and in which situations. >> That's silly, being useful for "everyone" has never been a >> requirement for a contribution... >> If Hans likes it enough to work on it, I see no reason for anyone >> to give him a hard time for it. >> -David > > Yes, I don't see why this should be a requirement for a new feature. > BTW it's a pity there is no PABX like Asterisks, but with an usable > licence for us > > Jacques > > > > |
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