proposal - merge applications folder into framework

[Chris Snow-3]

Of course I'm only joking, but the reality is there are dependencies
from the framework on applications (see OFBIZ-3500).

However, unless these dependencies are removed, we may as well merge the
applications into the framework?

Cheers,

Chris

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Christopher Snow wrote:

> Of course I'm only joking, but the reality is there are dependencies from the framework on applications (see OFBIZ-3500).
>
> However, unless these dependencies are removed, we may as well merge the applications into the framework?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris

I would prefer that, instead of wasting time complaining, you start to fix the dependencies, or allocate resources in order to fix them.

Jacopo

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Chris,

right after sending this message I realized I was too harsh... please accept my apologies, it was just a reaction to some recent complains in the lists, but of course you are not responsible for them.

Jacopo

On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Christopher Snow wrote:
>
>> Of course I'm only joking, but the reality is there are dependencies from the framework on applications (see OFBIZ-3500).
>>
>> However, unless these dependencies are removed, we may as well merge the applications into the framework?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>
> I would prefer that, instead of wasting time complaining, you start to fix the dependencies, or allocate resources in order to fix them.
>
> Jacopo
>

[Chris Snow-3]

Thanks for your kind words Jacopo.  I have spent about two days so far
working on this problem already, and intend spending more.  If you look
at OFBIZ-3500, you will see that I have also spent time documenting my
findings.

As a non committer, I don't like to work on stuff unless I get the
backing and interest of the commiters.  Some other stuff I have
suggested in the past has been met with strong opposition or lethargy.  
I'm sure glad I didn't put a lot of time into those areas.

Btw, I am not complaining, I am trying to get some interest in deciding
the path to take to fix this issue.


Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Christopher Snow wrote:
>
>  
>> Of course I'm only joking, but the reality is there are dependencies from the framework on applications (see OFBIZ-3500).
>>
>> However, unless these dependencies are removed, we may as well merge the applications into the framework?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>>    
>
> I would prefer that, instead of wasting time complaining, you start to fix the dependencies, or allocate resources in order to fix them.
>
> Jacopo
>
>  

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Christopher Snow wrote:

> Btw, I am not complaining, I am trying to get some interest in deciding the path to take to fix this issue.

Yes, understood, and I think that there is a general agreement in the community that the separation of the framework from the applications would be a good thing for the project.

Jacopo

[Chris Snow-3]

Apology accepted!

Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Chris,
>
> right after sending this message I realized I was too harsh... please accept my apologies, it was just a reaction to some recent complains in the lists, but of course you are not responsible for them.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>  
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Christopher Snow wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Of course I'm only joking, but the reality is there are dependencies from the framework on applications (see OFBIZ-3500).
>>>
>>> However, unless these dependencies are removed, we may as well merge the applications into the framework?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>      
>> I would prefer that, instead of wasting time complaining, you start to fix the dependencies, or allocate resources in order to fix them.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>    
>
>  

[Jacques Le Roux]

Yes, for sure there is a real interest of the community about that topic (and not from today)
And I'm sure that if we coordinate our efforts sufficiently longer we will get somewhere.
But as ever in the ASF as long as nobody really decide to get further nothing happens.
By taking the lead on this it seems that you (Chris) are following the Apache Way :o)
Also, I don't expect to see this happens/finishes before the next release.

My 2cts

Jacques

From: "Christopher Snow" <[hidden email]>

> Apology accepted!
>
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> right after sending this message I realized I was too harsh... please accept my apologies, it was just a reaction to some recent
>> complains in the lists, but of course you are not responsible for them.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Christopher Snow wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Of course I'm only joking, but the reality is there are dependencies from the framework on applications (see OFBIZ-3500).
>>>>
>>>> However, unless these dependencies are removed, we may as well merge the applications into the framework?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>> I would prefer that, instead of wasting time complaining, you start to fix the dependencies, or allocate resources in order to
>>> fix them.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>