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Re: [OFBiz] Users - Presentation Layer [Re: would like to changethe,contentmanagementcomponent of OfBiz]

Posted by Jacques Le Roux on Sep 04, 2005; 2:43pm
URL: http://ofbiz.116.s1.nabble.com/OFBiz-Users-Re-would-like-to-changethe-contentmanagementcomponent-of-OfBiz-tp135774p135779.html

Olivier,

Thanks for all these informations. Il will put them also on an OFBiz Wiki
page soon...

> > . And finally, Flash is really not a W3c standard (as opposed to  CSS
and
> >   XHTML -  of course XML - and even *ECMAScript* and DOM)
>
> Not, it's not yet. Let's see what happens after Adobe has aquired
Macromedia.
> Maybe Flash/SWF becomes a standard like PDF or PS.

I meaned W3C (open) standards, but you are right PDF and PS are also
standarts...
Perhaps as Firefox 1.5 includes natively SVG, this technology must be also
regarded ?
http://www.adobe.com/svg/

Jacques

PS :
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2002/05/24/swf_not_flash.html.
I just read this page, very interesting. Just one thing :  Macromedia is not
W3C ;o)


----- Original Message -----  From: "Oliver Lietz" <[hidden email]>
> Am Sonntag, 4. September 2005 02:23 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
> [...]
> > >The problem with this is. The Lazslo Presentation Server on Windows XP
> > >running on a Intel PIV 2.2Ghz with 256 MB DDR RAM takes around 8-10
mins
> > > to start and around 15 mins to actually deliver the first page. Also
> > > whenever you veisit a page for the first time there is a overhead of
> > > about 3 mins.
>
> The "performance" is indeed bad. 256 MB RAM is surely not enough for a
J2EE
> application like OpenLaszlo and Windows. I have a very good performance
> experience with Flex on PowerPC G4 1,2GHz with 1280 MB RAM (development
> machine, not yet in production).
>
> > Your explanations are very welcome : you are the first on this ML
reporting
> > real use of Lazslo and this reinforces some of my "a priori" against
Lazslo
> > and pro Ajax. Althougth (and specialy for this type of think) 256MB on
XP
> > is certainly a bit short. Quickness is the main but not the only reason
:
> >
> > . As you said "it generates Flash O/P which can be only veiwed
> >   with the Flash plugin."
>
> That does not have to be a disadvantage. Flash is more cross-browser than
AJAX
> and AJAX is more cross-platform than Flash. Safari and Konqueror can't
render
> most of the demos of openrico.org. This cross-browser vs. cross-platform
> ratio might change in future because of ongoing efforts to develop an open
> source Flash player. The cross-browser DHTML stuff is fragile and I can't
see
> that it will change in future.
>
> > . And Flash is proprietary so : specifications might change, or even
Flash
> >   might disappear (don't laugh, who remembers the Eighties PC DB
"standard"
> >   DBase III ? There are so much examples...)
>
> but SWF is not closed, see http://www.osflash.org and
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2002/05/24/swf_not_flash.html.
>
> > . Flash is not read by non graphic navigators (for blinds, by example)
and
> >   *worst* by crawlers
>
> You can use Flash's accessibility features:
>
http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/accessibility/features/flex/overview.html
>
> And you normally don't need crawles accessing your web applications (not
web
> sites), but you can of course add other interfaces like HTML, WML, SOAP or
> XML-RPC to your applications.
>
> > . And finally, Flash is really not a W3c standard (as opposed to  CSS
and
> >   XHTML -  of course XML - and even *ECMAScript* and DOM)
>
> Not, it's not yet. Let's see what happens after Adobe has aquired
Macromedia.
> Maybe Flash/SWF becomes a standard like PDF or PS.
>
> > At this point I try to resume all the links we have got on this subject
:

> >
> > Some  Rich Web Application Development Tool
> > (7 of them) http://mytechrantings.blogspot.com +
> > http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > Java Rich Internet Applications
> > http://www.canoo.com/ulc/
> > They also use Jira :o)
> > see on : http://webtest.canoo.com/manual/WebTestHome.html
> >
> > A good Ajax demo (Rico) http://openrico.org/rico/demos.page
> >
> > Rico is based upon : http://prototype.conio.net/
> >
> > I will make a page in the Wiki about all that, did I forgot something ?
>
> Maybe you find something useful on my list of RIA and RIA related
> technologies:
>
> Flash (SWF):
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Macromedia Flash
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/
>
> Macromedia Flex
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/
>
> Macromedia Central
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/
>
> OpenLaszlo
> http://www.openlaszlo.org
>
> Snapp MX
> http://www.snappmx.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Java:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Applets
> http://java.sun.com/applets/
>
> ULC (UltraLightClient)
> http://www.canoo.com/ulc/
>
> Casabac GUI Server (SWT)
> http://www.casabac.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> XML/PDF:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> XDP (Adobe XML Data Package), Adobe LiveCycle Designer
> http://www.adobe.com/products/server/adobedesigner/
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> DHTML (HTML, JS, CSS):
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Ajax (Asynchronous JavaScript + XML)
> http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>
> Casabac GUI Server (HTML)
> http://www.casabac.com
>
> NextApp Echo
> http://www.nextapp.com/products/echo/
>
> DWR - Direct Web Remoting
> http://www.getahead.ltd.uk/dwr/
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> other:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Bindows
> http://www.bindows.net
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> related:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> XUL (XML User Interface Language)
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/
>
> XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language)
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnintlong/html/longhornch03.asp

>
> UIML (User Interface Markup Language)
> http://www.uiml.org
>
> SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)
> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/
>
> Java Web Start
> http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/
>
> SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit)
> http://www.eclipse.org/swt/
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oliver
>
>
>

 
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