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MPF-2 on
Nov 09, 2005; 11:54am
URL: http://ofbiz.116.s1.nabble.com/OFBiz-Users-Remove-OFBiz-3-0-0-and-2-series-downloads-tp136382p136386.html
To all,
an interesting discussion going on here :-)
my 2 cents on this:
- The way SequoiaERP is marketed is attracting many people to ofbiz and Si
does a great job on that
- weekly builds and stable release are needed for a erp-system and it is
Si who does that job. Thanks!
- The delisting from sourceforge didnt help ofbiz's popularity.
- The more distributions the more confusing it is for the customer! You
can watch that on the linux side. Microsoft is laughing while the linux
world is diversifying instead of concentrating powers. A solution to this
problem is not insight and the tendency is that there are more
distributions will pop up and vanish in time.
- OFBIZ has been going in this direction allready with
www.opentravelsystem.org and www.openegovernment.org. However it seems
that the sequoiaerp has attracted more market attention than the other to
sites.
I see a improvment if some of the following things could be achieved
- Remove any of the 3.0.0 links!!!!
- have one organisational identity framework that is used by ofbiz and
distri's
www.opentravelsystem.org and www.openegovernment.org come close to that
approach. However it seems that the sites dont attract as many as those
sites of www.sequoiaerp.org
- relauch ofbiz.sourceforge.org to maintain the releases, answer questions
to release schedules and (sequoiaerp, neogia.... is than handeld as a copy
or maybe a fork of those releases)
- Have ofbiz point to the sourceforge for distri's and explain why there
are distri's
- Have the distri's point out the differences from ofbiz.org and link to
ofbiz.org
The last two points are allready there but there isnt much textual
explantion around it. That could be improved
The point regarding an "organisational identity framework" is a marketing
problem. The current identity has been developed by David and Andy I
guess!? Maybe its time to revamp that in a community effort? With the goal
in mind that it needs to be extensible for distri's (The penguin image for
example does play that role in linux distri's)
This would give the project a more professional 3 level structure:
1. CORE TEAM: development site www.ofbiz.org just pointing to the Release
site
2. RELEASES TEAM: Releases
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz pointing
back to ofbiz and distributions
3. DISTRIBUTIONS/MODIFICATIONS: Distributions Sites like neogia, sequoia,
opentravelsystem.... point just back to the release site
As far as I know this is the way SAP is maintained internally but they
have a supirior automatism to transport the changes from on codebase to
the other. But the paradigma is the same.
Paralell there should be a founding of a OFBIZ Group based on the model of
the JBOSS Group.
I really feel that ofbiz demand will exploede in the next 18 month. The
comparison discussion with compiere is a indicator for that.
Wishes are nice and I know those points consume alot of time.
Michael
[hidden email] wrote on 09.11.2005 11:40:09:
> I too think we should stress the attention over the fact that OFBiz and
> SequoiaERP are complementary projects: the former is oriented to
> development, the latter is end-user oriented.
>
> So removing the links to the OFBiz-3.0.0 release is a good think (also
> the concept of an OFBiz release is really no more needed).
>
> Also, maybe I'm playing with words, but I'd stress more attention over
> the fact that SequoiaERP is the OFBiz distribution instead of a product
> based on OFBiz.
> In my opinion, this would help clarify things to users.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Si Chen wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > I think this is a good idea. Perhaps on the sourceforge.net site for
> > ofbiz there could be a news item for where to get the latest release.
> >
> > I also updated the sequoiaerp.org home page to put in the link to
> > ofbiz.org. I've tried to make the relationship as clear as possible
and
> > also point developers to ofbiz.org. Can you suggest any other place
for
> > me to put this kind of information? I'm happy to add it.
> >
> > Last of all--this is a personal observation--I would really appreciate
> > it if people post their questions to the mailing lists or forums or
> > somewhere public, so we can all help out and also all see these
things.
> > I think this is also standard for many open source projects. I don't
> > know why people think they can get priority support by writing one of
us
> > directly.
> >
> > Si
> >
> > Firas A. wrote:
> >
> >> On OFBiz and Sequoia...
> >>
> >> I totally agree with David. The other day I was about to post a
question
> >> asking about the difference between the two.
> >>
> >> </Firas>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
[hidden email]
> >> [mailto:
[hidden email]]
> >> On Behalf Of David E. Jones
> >> Sent: den 8 november 2005 18:37
> >> To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
> >> Subject: [OFBiz] Users - Remove OFBiz 3.0.0 and 2.* series downloads?
> >>
> >> This has been a problem for a long time and perhaps now would be a
> >> good time
> >> to solve it with 2 communities emerging. Those that want a download
to
> >> use
> >> as is can now use Sequoia, and those that want to participate in
> >> development
> >> or want the latest and greatest can use OFBiz.
> >>
> >> So, I am voting for the option of removing the old OFBiz downloads as
> >> they
> >> just waste the time of those who try them and our time as we get
> >> questions
> >> about them...
> >>
> >> Also for Si: I'd REALLY appreciate more clarification, right up front
> >> on the
> >> home page and in various other places too, that Sequoia is based on
OFBiz
> >> and the two communities are targeted to users as I describe above. I
> >> am also
> >> a little tired of getting all sorts of email about this and
describing
> >> over
> >> and over what OFBiz and Sequoia are and what the intention is. In
other
> >> words, without this it is VERY confusing to people! I got an email
today
> >> asking questions about Sequoia documentation since I wrote the OFBiz
> >> Basic
> >> Production Setup Guide... in other words people are having a hard
time
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