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I just changed the sequoiaerp.org site. It should be clear now (to me
David E. Jones wrote:
>
> I have removed the old downloads from the SourceForge.net site for
> OFBiz. OFBiz is still listed there as it has always been. In place of
> typical downloads there is now a small PDF document entitled Getting
> and Using OFBiz. This document talks about the OFBiz community,
> getting from SVN, and the idea behind Sequoia.
>
> On the Sequoia site there is one clarification that I would
> appreciate. It does mention OFBiz clearly and that is great, but the
> confusion I get from reading the home page is that it appears to be
> an extension of OFBiz, ie a project dedicated to adding features to
> OFBiz and operating as a separate project. If that's the case I think
> it's a problem, but of course I have no say in it. Either way it
> should be clarified. In other words, adding text that makes it clear
> that the purpose of Sequoia ERP is to maintain releases including
> back patches of bug fixes and release points and such that can be
> easily referenced, but that is not meant to have functionality in
> addition to OFBiz. That seams to be a remaining confusion.
>
> For Neogia, that really is a separate project from OFBiz and is
> basically a bunch of extensions licensed under the GPL. Si Chen is
> doing a good job of marketing Sequoia and making it easier for end-
> users who don't need what direct SVN access has to offer to use some
> version of OFBiz. Neogia is a different story and while based on many
> things in OFBiz they have chosen to compete with the project in
> building out new areas instead of participating in OFBiz (evidently
> this is required for their funding model).
>
> The Open Travel System and Open eGovernment sites (efforts maintained
> by Hans Bakker) are different as well. These are open add-ons to
> OFBiz (in the specialized directory of the ofbiz SVN repository) and
> sub-communities focused on a particular industry, in this case travel
> and government.
>
> It would be nice if other sites would clarify their position more
> relative to OFBiz so that people can more easily find out what they
> are and decide what they need/want, but it really isn't technically a
> part of OFBiz so all we can do is offer feedback to them. Fortunately
> some, like Si and Hans, are very open and are doing a great job and
> have been great to work with. There is certainly a need for efforts
> like this as the OFBiz world is extremely large and diverse and to
> organize and build up any part of it requires quite a bit of effort,
> which is where these things come in. The way that things are going
> with Sequoia and OpenTravelSystem are great and really of value to
> the project. Other projects like Neogia are still of value to the
> OFBiz community because they are doing a lot of stuff and using
> certain parts of OFBiz, and contribute little things fairly often in
> those areas. Unfortunately in many other areas they have decided not
> to work with others in the project and to go their own way, and they
> are certainly within their rights and such to do so, and hopefully it
> will work out well for them. On the other hand, hopefully the areas
> in OFBiz that are catching up to and going beyond what they have
> added will compete well and the result of user confusion will favor
> OFBiz, putting more resources into the core project instead of
> elsewhere...
>
> -David
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2005, at 4:54 AM,
[hidden email] wrote:
>
>> To all,
>> an interesting discussion going on here :-)
>>
>> my 2 cents on this:
>>
>> - The way SequoiaERP is marketed is attracting many people to ofbiz
>> and Si
>> does a great job on that
>> - weekly builds and stable release are needed for a erp-system and
>> it is
>> Si who does that job. Thanks!
>> - The delisting from sourceforge didnt help ofbiz's popularity.
>> - The more distributions the more confusing it is for the customer! You
>> can watch that on the linux side. Microsoft is laughing while the linux
>> world is diversifying instead of concentrating powers. A solution to
>> this
>> problem is not insight and the tendency is that there are more
>> distributions will pop up and vanish in time.
>> - OFBIZ has been going in this direction allready with
>> www.opentravelsystem.org and www.openegovernment.org. However it seems
>> that the sequoiaerp has attracted more market attention than the
>> other to
>> sites.
>>
>> I see a improvment if some of the following things could be achieved
>>
>> - Remove any of the 3.0.0 links!!!!
>> - have one organisational identity framework that is used by ofbiz and
>> distri's
>> www.opentravelsystem.org and www.openegovernment.org come close to that
>> approach. However it seems that the sites dont attract as many as those
>> sites of www.sequoiaerp.org
>> - relauch ofbiz.sourceforge.org to maintain the releases, answer
>> questions
>> to release schedules and (sequoiaerp, neogia.... is than handeld as
>> a copy
>> or maybe a fork of those releases)
>> - Have ofbiz point to the sourceforge for distri's and explain why
>> there
>> are distri's
>> - Have the distri's point out the differences from ofbiz.org and
>> link to
>> ofbiz.org
>>
>> The last two points are allready there but there isnt much textual
>> explantion around it. That could be improved
>> The point regarding an "organisational identity framework" is a
>> marketing
>> problem. The current identity has been developed by David and Andy I
>> guess!? Maybe its time to revamp that in a community effort? With
>> the goal
>> in mind that it needs to be extensible for distri's (The penguin
>> image for
>> example does play that role in linux distri's)
>>
>> This would give the project a more professional 3 level structure:
>>
>> 1. CORE TEAM: development site www.ofbiz.org just pointing to the
>> Release
>> site
>> 2. RELEASES TEAM: Releases
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz
>> pointing
>> back to ofbiz and distributions
>> 3. DISTRIBUTIONS/MODIFICATIONS: Distributions Sites like neogia,
>> sequoia,
>> opentravelsystem.... point just back to the release site
>>
>> As far as I know this is the way SAP is maintained internally but they
>> have a supirior automatism to transport the changes from on codebase to
>> the other. But the paradigma is the same.
>>
>> Paralell there should be a founding of a OFBIZ Group based on the
>> model of
>> the JBOSS Group.
>>
>> I really feel that ofbiz demand will exploede in the next 18 month. The
>> comparison discussion with compiere is a indicator for that.
>>
>> Wishes are nice and I know those points consume alot of time.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
[hidden email] wrote on 09.11.2005 11:40:09:
>>
>>> I too think we should stress the attention over the fact that OFBiz
>>> and
>>> SequoiaERP are complementary projects: the former is oriented to
>>> development, the latter is end-user oriented.
>>>
>>> So removing the links to the OFBiz-3.0.0 release is a good think (also
>>> the concept of an OFBiz release is really no more needed).
>>>
>>> Also, maybe I'm playing with words, but I'd stress more attention over
>>> the fact that SequoiaERP is the OFBiz distribution instead of a
>>> product
>>> based on OFBiz.
>>> In my opinion, this would help clarify things to users.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Si Chen wrote:
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a good idea. Perhaps on the sourceforge.net site for
>>>> ofbiz there could be a news item for where to get the latest release.
>>>>
>>>> I also updated the sequoiaerp.org home page to put in the link to
>>>> ofbiz.org. I've tried to make the relationship as clear as possible
>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> also point developers to ofbiz.org. Can you suggest any other place
>>>
>> for
>>
>>>> me to put this kind of information? I'm happy to add it.
>>>>
>>>> Last of all--this is a personal observation--I would really
>>>> appreciate
>>>
>>
>>>> it if people post their questions to the mailing lists or forums or
>>>> somewhere public, so we can all help out and also all see these
>>>
>> things.
>>
>>>> I think this is also standard for many open source projects. I don't
>>>> know why people think they can get priority support by writing one of
>>>
>> us
>>
>>>> directly.
>>>>
>>>> Si
>>>>
>>>> Firas A. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On OFBiz and Sequoia...
>>>>>
>>>>> I totally agree with David. The other day I was about to post a
>>>>
>> question
>>
>>>>> asking about the difference between the two.
>>>>>
>>>>> </Firas>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:
[hidden email]
>>>>> [mailto:
[hidden email]]
>>>>> On Behalf Of David E. Jones
>>>>> Sent: den 8 november 2005 18:37
>>>>> To: OFBiz Users / Usage Discussion
>>>>> Subject: [OFBiz] Users - Remove OFBiz 3.0.0 and 2.* series
>>>>> downloads?
>>>>>
>>>>> This has been a problem for a long time and perhaps now would be a
>>>>> good time
>>>>> to solve it with 2 communities emerging. Those that want a download
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> use
>>>>> as is can now use Sequoia, and those that want to participate in
>>>>> development
>>>>> or want the latest and greatest can use OFBiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I am voting for the option of removing the old OFBiz
>>>>> downloads as
>>>>
>>
>>>>> they
>>>>> just waste the time of those who try them and our time as we get
>>>>> questions
>>>>> about them...
>>>>>
>>>>> Also for Si: I'd REALLY appreciate more clarification, right up
>>>>> front
>>>>
>>
>>>>> on the
>>>>> home page and in various other places too, that Sequoia is based on
>>>>
>> OFBiz
>>
>>>>> and the two communities are targeted to users as I describe above. I
>>>>> am also
>>>>> a little tired of getting all sorts of email about this and
>>>>
>> describing
>>
>>>>> over
>>>>> and over what OFBiz and Sequoia are and what the intention is. In
>>>>
>> other
>>
>>>>> words, without this it is VERY confusing to people! I got an email
>>>>
>> today
>>
>>>>> asking questions about Sequoia documentation since I wrote the OFBiz
>>>>> Basic
>>>>> Production Setup Guide... in other words people are having a hard
>>>>
>> time
>>
>>>>> figuring out what all this stuff means.
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
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