Re: Users - [OFBiz] Dev - Any interest in End-User and other documentation? (-99.86/4.50)
Posted by Hans Bakker on Jun 01, 2006; 1:19pm
URL: http://ofbiz.116.s1.nabble.com/Re-Users-OFBiz-Dev-Any-interest-in-End-User-and-other-documentation-99-86-4-50-tp139621p139623.html
Hi Matt,
I have read your request, I did not reply because i assumed people in your
area would react. So obviously there are not yet any OFBiz consultants in
Australia yet. I am living in Thailand and have a long experience as project
leader in Europe and the US and implemented international software systems.
Currently i have a lead in Holland and if they ask i will come over for a
couple of days to help them using OFBiz.
If the distance is no problem for you Australia is closer to me than Europe...
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On Thursday 01 June 2006 19:00, Matt Midson wrote:
> Jacopo,
>
> I tend to agree with your comments about needing a consultant to assist
> with ERP implementation. The problem is trying to find someone who can
> help. I recently replied to a post in this user forum about consultants,
> asking the community if anyone knew of, or would like to contact me to help
> me with an implementation of opentaps/ofbiz in my business. (Am I making a
> mistake here opentaps and OFBiz are one and the same??)
>
> So far, I have not seen any replies on the list and no one has contacted
> me. Perhaps I have done something wrong or offended the community with my
> first post by asking. If I have I am sorry.
>
> I have also noticed posts asking about how to get more people to take up
> and promote this project. I was hoping to learn from a green field
> deployment in my own environment and provide some of that information back
> to the community.
>
> IMHO - I think the project needs some type of consultant training due to
> the speciality nature of this type of product. My suggestion would to come
> up with some type of training program designed to teach consultants a
> methodology on how to correctly implement OFBiz/opentaps from start to
> finish.
>
> This could then be backed up by some of the more specialty from
> partners/contributors that can help with customisation remotely.
>
> Perhaps a step by step checklist or best practice project/implementation
> plan so that consultants and server techs like myself can take this project
> to the SME environment without needing to know how to code.
>
> So as a Small Business owner, that is new to this project and would like to
> use and promote this project in his business here in Australia, this is
> what I see from my point of view.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Matt
>
> >>> [hidden email] 06/01/06 6:43 PM >>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm replying to this interesting thread (born in the dev list) in the user
> list because the content of this message is more user oriented.
>
> I'm not so surprised to see that David's announce is getting a tepid
> feedback from the community.
>
> The main reason, in my opinion, is that, even if a lot of persons ask for
> end user documentation, the real problem is that many of them really want
> some magic tool to implement, without any effort or cost, complex ERP
> processes in their company; these processes can be succesfully implemented
> only with the help of persons with deep business/ERP knowledge, not simply
> by (even motivated) IT managers. Nowadays, you can set up a web server even
> if you are not a system administrator; this is not true for setting up an
> ERP system for your company. SAP, Oracle, Movex and many other big ERP
> systems are bundled with a lot of end-user documentation (for some of them,
> not so much as you could imagine...) but I've never heard of a company that
> even tried to deploy these systems without the support of a consulting
> company.
>
> In short, the underlying demand is for free consulting, not free
> documentation.
>
> In my opinion, Undersun's end-user documentation will greatly help the ones
> that, after they have received good OFBiz consulting by some expert guys,
> will need a reference guide to help them refresh some concepts (or explore
> new ones).
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Jacopo
>
> David E. Jones wrote:
> > There was a bit of discussion following my message last week about the
> > proposed new end-user and other document site using Confluence to run the
> > site. More of the messages were more related to the tool to use to run
> > the site. I still like the idea of using Confluence, even after briefly
> > looking into other alternatives mentioned. It is available for free for
> > this use, and we already having a hosting arrangement in place with
> > people familiar with administering the software.
> >
> > > There is also the potential of consolidating the documentation managed
> > > by a small group and more openly managed documentation in the same
> > > system by simply migrating the content from the existing OFBiz wiki.
> > > What I'm more interested in though is: is anyone interested in this
> > > enough to help with it? I'm basically saying that the documentation
> > > that Undersun has paid about $30k to put together and maintain can be
> > > made available for free. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of
> > > interest in this, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough about it, or perhaps
> > > people don't like the approach? There is a lot of work needed to
> > > reformat this to work in a different content management system because
> > > of different data structures and such. It doesn't matter which system
> > > we go to, the structures will be different. So the choices are either
> > > to extend the OFBiz content management piece (based on the work that Al
> > > Byers did a couple of years ago) to do everything we want, or just move
> > > the content to another tool. > > Both will require manual work. My
> > > opinion is that moving the content to another tool will require both
> > > less time and a far smaller skill set for whoever does it. This is
> > > based on some analysis of what would need to be developed, and on a
> > > couple of hours of manually moving content from the Undersun end-user
> > > doc site to the new OFBiz Confuence server. So, a few questions:
> > > 1. is anyone interested in using this documentation?
> >
> > 2. is anyone interested in helping move over documentation from other
> > sources? 3. is anyone interested in spending a few hours per week to help
> > maintain this?
> >
> > > I'd like to see this move forward... It's basically free content it
> > > someone will just help move it over. The only learning is required is
> > > about how to use Confluence, and there is pretty good documentation for
> > > that. It is also very simple, being a wiki-based system. The work
> > > involves copying from a browser and pasting into the WYSIWYG text
> > > editor box, reformatting it, and also saving off images and uploading
> > > them to the new system and inserting them in the text. -David
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Dev mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
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Hi Matt,
I have read your request, I did not reply because i assumed people in your
area would react. So obviously there are not yet any OFBiz consultants in
Australia yet. I am living in Thailand and have a long experience as project
leader in Europe and the US and implemented international software systems.
Currently i have a lead in Holland and if they ask i will come over for a
couple of days to help them using OFBiz.
If the distance is no problem for you Australia is closer to me than Europe...
--
Regards,
Hans Bakker
ANT Websystems Co.,Ltd (http://www.antwebsystems.com)
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On Thursday 01 June 2006 19:00, Matt Midson wrote:
> Jacopo,
>
> I tend to agree with your comments about needing a consultant to assist
> with ERP implementation. The problem is trying to find someone who can
> help. I recently replied to a post in this user forum about consultants,
> asking the community if anyone knew of, or would like to contact me to help
> me with an implementation of opentaps/ofbiz in my business. (Am I making a
> mistake here opentaps and OFBiz are one and the same??)
>
> So far, I have not seen any replies on the list and no one has contacted
> me. Perhaps I have done something wrong or offended the community with my
> first post by asking. If I have I am sorry.
>
> I have also noticed posts asking about how to get more people to take up
> and promote this project. I was hoping to learn from a green field
> deployment in my own environment and provide some of that information back
> to the community.
>
> IMHO - I think the project needs some type of consultant training due to
> the speciality nature of this type of product. My suggestion would to come
> up with some type of training program designed to teach consultants a
> methodology on how to correctly implement OFBiz/opentaps from start to
> finish.
>
> This could then be backed up by some of the more specialty from
> partners/contributors that can help with customisation remotely.
>
> Perhaps a step by step checklist or best practice project/implementation
> plan so that consultants and server techs like myself can take this project
> to the SME environment without needing to know how to code.
>
> So as a Small Business owner, that is new to this project and would like to
> use and promote this project in his business here in Australia, this is
> what I see from my point of view.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Matt
>
> >>> [hidden email] 06/01/06 6:43 PM >>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm replying to this interesting thread (born in the dev list) in the user
> list because the content of this message is more user oriented.
>
> I'm not so surprised to see that David's announce is getting a tepid
> feedback from the community.
>
> The main reason, in my opinion, is that, even if a lot of persons ask for
> end user documentation, the real problem is that many of them really want
> some magic tool to implement, without any effort or cost, complex ERP
> processes in their company; these processes can be succesfully implemented
> only with the help of persons with deep business/ERP knowledge, not simply
> by (even motivated) IT managers. Nowadays, you can set up a web server even
> if you are not a system administrator; this is not true for setting up an
> ERP system for your company. SAP, Oracle, Movex and many other big ERP
> systems are bundled with a lot of end-user documentation (for some of them,
> not so much as you could imagine...) but I've never heard of a company that
> even tried to deploy these systems without the support of a consulting
> company.
>
> In short, the underlying demand is for free consulting, not free
> documentation.
>
> In my opinion, Undersun's end-user documentation will greatly help the ones
> that, after they have received good OFBiz consulting by some expert guys,
> will need a reference guide to help them refresh some concepts (or explore
> new ones).
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Jacopo
>
> David E. Jones wrote:
> > There was a bit of discussion following my message last week about the
> > proposed new end-user and other document site using Confluence to run the
> > site. More of the messages were more related to the tool to use to run
> > the site. I still like the idea of using Confluence, even after briefly
> > looking into other alternatives mentioned. It is available for free for
> > this use, and we already having a hosting arrangement in place with
> > people familiar with administering the software.
> >
> > > There is also the potential of consolidating the documentation managed
> > > by a small group and more openly managed documentation in the same
> > > system by simply migrating the content from the existing OFBiz wiki.
> > > What I'm more interested in though is: is anyone interested in this
> > > enough to help with it? I'm basically saying that the documentation
> > > that Undersun has paid about $30k to put together and maintain can be
> > > made available for free. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of
> > > interest in this, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough about it, or perhaps
> > > people don't like the approach? There is a lot of work needed to
> > > reformat this to work in a different content management system because
> > > of different data structures and such. It doesn't matter which system
> > > we go to, the structures will be different. So the choices are either
> > > to extend the OFBiz content management piece (based on the work that Al
> > > Byers did a couple of years ago) to do everything we want, or just move
> > > the content to another tool. > > Both will require manual work. My
> > > opinion is that moving the content to another tool will require both
> > > less time and a far smaller skill set for whoever does it. This is
> > > based on some analysis of what would need to be developed, and on a
> > > couple of hours of manually moving content from the Undersun end-user
> > > doc site to the new OFBiz Confuence server. So, a few questions:
> > > 1. is anyone interested in using this documentation?
> >
> > 2. is anyone interested in helping move over documentation from other
> > sources? 3. is anyone interested in spending a few hours per week to help
> > maintain this?
> >
> > > I'd like to see this move forward... It's basically free content it
> > > someone will just help move it over. The only learning is required is
> > > about how to use Confluence, and there is pretty good documentation for
> > > that. It is also very simple, being a wiki-based system. The work
> > > involves copying from a browser and pasting into the WYSIWYG text
> > > editor box, reformatting it, and also saving off images and uploading
> > > them to the new system and inserting them in the text. -David
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Dev mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.ofbiz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
>
>
>
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