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Software doesn't typically represent a limited resource that can be overused, so that's not what I mean. What I mean is the more general idea behind that of how people interact with shared resources and the effect on everyone's long-term interest in it. It's not a new pattern, but one we'll have to work around if the community and the software are to remain strong and viable.
> Your problem Hans, is that you spend too much time believing you are being personally attacked and not enough time dealing with the actual issues being discussed. It always appears that your first response to any feedback is to attempt to ignore it, things then always end up escalating as they have done here.
>
> Personally, I've stopped reviewing most of your commits because you only ever saw it as a negative thing and I can't be bothered fighting with you.
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> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 6/03/2010, at 2:55 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
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>> I give up already before your message, Tim.
>>
>> as happened often in the past as with the setup application, with the
>> myportal application, with the birt integration, with the new ebay
>> component and now with this twitter account, i get really tired by
>> certain people fighting, especially new, additions to the system. For
>> the good of the project? i am sorry i do not think so. Certain people
>> like to show their powers only. Read other mailinglists how other people
>> think about ofbiz and how many people are using ofbiz but do not
>> contribute.
>>
>> Discussion before hand? I think it gets then even more problematic, it
>> takes too long time, my customer does not want to wait for.
>>
>> I am now slowly considering creating components outside of ofbiz like is
>> happening in china and France because it is causing too much grief and
>> discussion to get it into ofbiz.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 01:48 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>> Please send me the credentials as well - I'd like to update the Bio and make this actually look like an ASF resource if we're being forced into having something else to maintain. We all have twitter feeds, but we didn't post them on the front page acting like they are coming from the project - this is the inherent problem.
>>>
>>> Btw, Hans, in the future, I would appreciate you talking BEFORE you starting making more things for the project to be in charge of - ebaystore, twitter account for the project, etc, etc. I'm a willing participant, but just because you have commit privileges doesn't mean that you shouldn't have conversations about what you're doing and why. I think that if you followed this guideline, and looked for some more help before diving on issues, you might find that there are plenty of people that are interested in your ideas and they might contribute to a higher quality product than you're tossing out by yourself (this is at least something I've always subscribed to).
>>>
>>> Just my two cents .... I still think this commit should be reverted until we figure out a process and plan to support Twitter (if this indeed is something that the ASF allows and we are into supporting as a group). Love the enthusiasm all around.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah I see, you really must send me a copy of the Hans Bakker rule book for use of the 'official' OFBiz twitter account.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, you offered to send the account credentials to any committers that requested it, please send me the credentials.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 5/03/2010, at 8:33 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sure if you provide some tweets of your own...sorry only fighting a new
>>>>> feature is not rewarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 20:11 -0700, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks, while your at it you may as well spell Pranay's name correctly too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since I've now spent some time helping you with the feed, could you please add my name to the Bio section, I feel like I deserve some credit for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/03/2010, at 8:06 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure Scott, twitter has been changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 19:37 -0700, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's an example of why the whole thing makes me uncomfortable:
>>>>>>>> Latest tweet from apache_ofbiz:
>>>>>>>> "Using Ajax in Ofbiz? Check part 6 in the ofbiz development tutorial guide at
http://j.mp/bvTEwU . A pity it is not using forms.Thanks Praney"
>>>>>>>> The 3rd sentence is quite clearly an opinion and thus Hans' opinion is now the opinion of the project in the eyes of people reading these tweets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2010, at 7:31 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The key point you are missing here Hans is that nobody asked you to provide this "service" to the community on behalf of the project and you have no right to do so. You are very clearly violating the ASF's policies and I would ask you kindly to revert your revert of my revert.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you really believe that this is something that is wanted then request a vote on the PMC list and I will gladly accept the result.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2010, at 7:13 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I answered all outstanding questions and concerns and consider these
>>>>>>>>>> issues resolved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 19:03 -0700, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Reverted in r919688, I am in no way comfortable with you running a twitter feed and pretending that it represents the OFBiz project regardless of your intentions. If you want to do something like this then get it approved by the PMC first.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2010, at 12:26 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, here an answer for all the questions about this twitter account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, as i already said, i was just making promotion for OFBiz,
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the casual end user who want to see what is happening and may later
>>>>>>>>>>>> get involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do i do this for free? No, i want something back, only that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Antwebsystems is mentioned somewhere doing this service. As long as i do
>>>>>>>>>>>> it alone i think this is pretty reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this an Antwebsystems account?
>>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not. The antwebsystems account is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://twitter.com/ofbiz_support
>>>>>>>>>>>> and my personal account is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://twitter.com/hansbak .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you go to
http://antwebsystems.com you will see these tweets at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> right hand side of the website. I think this would also be nice for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz website, of course the OFBiz account only :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is my contribution to the Apache OFBiz project. It has nothing to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do with the apache foundation, it is just OFBiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will it be accessible to all contributors?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, running a professional twitter account takes time and effort. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>> contributor interested helping here is very welcome, as long we keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>> target user in mind: the potential end user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully this clears up everything and we can return back to what we
>>>>>>>>>>>> are doing best: promote and improve OFBiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. If somebody is interested helping let me know i will give you
>>>>>>>>>>>> access if you are a committer. If you are a contributor send your tweets
>>>>>>>>>>>> to @apache_ofbiz and i will retweet them if they fit the target
>>>>>>>>>>>> audience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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