http://ofbiz.116.s1.nabble.com/Re-svn-commit-r919905-ofbiz-site-index-html-tp1583271p1583582.html
> It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable
> place to draw the line. For instance, I don't put my blog messages up there when they're not going to directly help users - just
> like Wikipedia, only the facts. We haven't put up one message about any of our twitter feeds, social networking angles, new
> websites, all promotion stuff. What Hans put in there is straight up promotion.
I'm alone to be worried when in the last 12 news, 8 come from HotWax Media? Should this continue in the same way, in the same place?
> Now back to my original request before we've now tried a bunch of different ways to self promote:
> 1. Remove the original commit
I don't think it's needed if Hans give all commiters the credentials. Then we could put back the Twetter button which is think is a
> 2. Work out a strategy, together, on first IF the community wants to maintain a twitter feed, and secondly how we'll go about
I don't think we need to share before as long as we keep it clean. Note that what Hans did so far was quite clean. It was not a
> Please note that in 919997 I have removed a link to a blog message that sat directly on the line between marketing and help for
> the user. This will hopefully set a trend of the types of news that we populate that section with.
I appreciate the effort Tim, and I agree with the logic behind it. But what if everybody wrote a note in his blog and put a line
Are these essentials news? Should we not create a section for this type of information as I suggested (the name may vary)?
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacopo,
>>
>> For me all the "news" from service providers are not real news because
>> 1) there is nothing new in them
>> 2) they are not external to the project, so I think they devaluate the other news (how insiders can be objective?)
>> 3) some service providers may trust this place as an area for their marketing stuff (do you really need names?)
>>
>> They looks more as marketing stuff to me .
>> On the other hand most of them contain valuable information, notably for educating new comers and such.
>> So that's why I suggest to separate them from "real news" (external objective news) in a new section "Help from service
>> providers"
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <
[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also I wonder if we should not restrict the New section at
http://ofbiz.apache.org/ to real news and not service providers
>>>> marketing.
>>>
>>> Could you please show some examples of news items that should not be there?
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>> Because this is really devaluating the news IMO. We could though introduce a new section for this kind of "news", what about
>>>> "Services providers help you"
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <
[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> This could be so easy :/
>>>>>
>>>>> Hans agreed to give the credentials to all commiters but he asked us to send him a demand.
>>>>> We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the credential to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account.
>>>>> I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks:
>>>>>
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of this page in the following)
>>>>> So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apache trademarks in domain names"). Hans can't use
>>>>>
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz alone as an individual or for his company.
>>>>> So please, for the last time, Hans before I ring Shane Curcuru's bell (current VP, Apache Brand Management), simply send
>>>>> credentials to all commiters and the war is over (Note that, though I don't think it's the way to go, I already asked you to
>>>>> send me credentials as you suggested, but did not receive anything yet). Then I suggest to put the button like you did Hans.
>>>>> It's a *great idea* and I'm sure you will appreciate to have an help on feeding the tweets as you already suggested.
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz is a special case because not only it uses ASF trademark in domain name but it also shows it
>>>>> on the page, along with OFBiz logo not going back to
http://ofbiz.apache.org/ (cf. section "Using the Apache Foo (and similar)
>>>>> graphic logos")
>>>>> But I don't see a reason why the rule for the domain should not apply also to
>>>>>
http://twitter.com/ofbiz_help>>>>>
http://twitter.com/ofbizbyhotwax>>>>> And Hans just followed the path actually... (is there other cases?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Some other points which are related and worth to be noted
>>>>> Hotwax Media must care about how they use the OFBiz logo in their pages at
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com. The rule is that if
>>>>> it's not adapted (like Hans did for OFBiz in Thailand at , it should only link back to
http://ofbiz.apache.org/>>>>> Same for the footer of
http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/main (the "OFBiz feather" used for the tweet could be ok if all
>>>>> commiters get credentials and the PMC agree is the OFBiz official Tweeter account). Now
http://www.ofbiz.in.th/ is wrong also
>>>>> as long it's not on the ASF infra (ofbiz should not be used in domain name outsided of ASF infrastructure, is there other
>>>>> cases?)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time to clean the house, before all this becomes unmanageable (proliferation). I made my best to explain the rules, if
>>>>> you see a flaw in my reasoning please correct me. If you see other cases that should be corrected, chime in, it's your duty!
>>>>>
>>>>> And please also understand that it's really not pleaseant for me (or anyone else I guess) to play the cop and spend so much
>>>>> time on this (for persons out of PMC, we already shared some about this privately). I dot it only because I'm a third party
>>>>> (ie not HWM affiliated nor Ant Web) and I like things to be clear and no injustices prevail. If we continue to ignore this
>>>>> facts they will finally blow up in our faces (as this Tweeter account issue being to show) and nobody will win anything. There
>>>>> are rules, why not simply follow them, is that so hard?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Tim Ruppert" <
[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Hans, please revert this one too - sorry. It wouldn't make sense for all service providers to do this - so please let's not
>>>>>> keep doing this stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What i would recommend for this kind of stuff, if we need to list it at all, would be to enhance the service providers page
>>>>>> on the wiki. I mentioned this earlier but maybe we should add a full page, linked from the service provider page, where
>>>>>> people can put this type of info? I personally think this is what your own website is for, but I'm all for enhancing
>>>>>> everyone's ability to get the word out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does everyone think of that as a place to promote yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tim Ruppert
>>>>>> HotWax Media
>>>>>>
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com>>>>>>
>>>>>> o:801.649.6594
>>>>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Gray <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm only going to send one email about this, If anyone else cares they can push it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is news:
>>>>>>>> <a href="
http://www.twitter.com/apache_ofbiz/" target="_blank">Now OFBiz on <b>TWITTER</b>, follow the news from an
>>>>>>>> enduser perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day.
>>>>>>> A link to your home page is not:
>>>>>>>> You can also promote OFBiz at your site with this news, look <a href="
http://www.antwebsystems.com">here for an
>>>>>>>> example.</a>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why you are constantly trying to push the boundaries I have no idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/03/2010, at 6:14 PM,
[hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Author: hansbak
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010
>>>>>>>> New Revision: 919905
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=919905&view=rev>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>> announcing the ofbiz twitter news now in line with the other news offerings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>> URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=919905&r1=919904&r2=919905&view=diff>>>>>>>> === === === =====================================================================
>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010
>>>>>>>> @@ -237,6 +237,7 @@
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <h2>In the News</h2>
>>>>>>>> <ul>
>>>>>>>> + <li><a href="
http://www.twitter.com/ apache_ofbiz/" target="_blank">Now OFBiz on <b>TWITTER</b>, follow
>>>>>>>> the news from an enduser perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day. You can also promote OFBiz at your site with this news,
>>>>>>>> look <a href="
http://www.antwebsystems.com">here for an example.</a></li>
>>>>>>>> <li><a href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-pdf-export/
>>>>>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial – Implementing a Product PDF export</a> on <a
>>>>>>>> href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li>
>>>>>>>> <li><a href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-csv-export/
>>>>>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial – Implementing a Product CSV export</a> on <a
>>>>>>>> href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li>
>>>>>>>> <li><a href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-enhancing-the-product-list-screen/
>>>>>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial – Enhancing the Product list screen</a> on <a
>>>>>>>> href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li>
>>>>>>>>
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