http://ofbiz.116.s1.nabble.com/Re-svn-commit-r919905-ofbiz-site-index-html-tp1583271p1583653.html
This is all good, and as I said of great value. It's the only the place that worries me. I prefer to have less news but more
> I have no problem moving this stuff to another place - none at all - but since there isn't much news beyond tutorials that are put
> out there, it certainly would make our "In the News" section look super stale - which would work against us.
As I said I feel otherwise. Of course if I'm alone it's maybe only a feeling and we can forget that. But will we not end with almost
You mean Hans's last news, right? Then I agree, still some problems where the link points
I'd prefer them to be in the wiki for instance. We could share them more there. We could have an open section in wiki with
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>> I try to find a good solution, thanks for your help
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>>
>>>> For me all the "news" from service providers are not real news because
>>>> 1) there is nothing new in them
>>>> 2) they are not external to the project, so I think they devaluate the other news (how insiders can be objective?)
>>>> 3) some service providers may trust this place as an area for their marketing stuff (do you really need names?)
>>>>
>>>> They looks more as marketing stuff to me .
>>>> On the other hand most of them contain valuable information, notably for educating new comers and such.
>>>> So that's why I suggest to separate them from "real news" (external objective news) in a new section "Help from service
>>>> providers"
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <
[hidden email]>
>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also I wonder if we should not restrict the New section at
http://ofbiz.apache.org/ to real news and not service providers
>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please show some examples of news items that should not be there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because this is really devaluating the news IMO. We could though introduce a new section for this kind of "news", what about
>>>>>> "Services providers help you"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <
[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This could be so easy :/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hans agreed to give the credentials to all commiters but he asked us to send him a demand.
>>>>>>> We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the credential to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account.
>>>>>>> I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks:
>>>>>>>
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of this page in the following)
>>>>>>> So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apache trademarks in domain names"). Hans can't use
>>>>>>>
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz alone as an individual or for his company.
>>>>>>> So please, for the last time, Hans before I ring Shane Curcuru's bell (current VP, Apache Brand Management), simply send
>>>>>>> credentials to all commiters and the war is over (Note that, though I don't think it's the way to go, I already asked you to
>>>>>>> send me credentials as you suggested, but did not receive anything yet). Then I suggest to put the button like you did Hans.
>>>>>>> It's a *great idea* and I'm sure you will appreciate to have an help on feeding the tweets as you already suggested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz is a special case because not only it uses ASF trademark in domain name but it also shows it
>>>>>>> on the page, along with OFBiz logo not going back to
http://ofbiz.apache.org/ (cf. section "Using the Apache Foo (and
>>>>>>> similar) graphic logos")
>>>>>>> But I don't see a reason why the rule for the domain should not apply also to
>>>>>>>
http://twitter.com/ofbiz_help>>>>>>>
http://twitter.com/ofbizbyhotwax>>>>>>> And Hans just followed the path actually... (is there other cases?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some other points which are related and worth to be noted
>>>>>>> Hotwax Media must care about how they use the OFBiz logo in their pages at
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com. The rule is that if
>>>>>>> it's not adapted (like Hans did for OFBiz in Thailand at , it should only link back to
http://ofbiz.apache.org/>>>>>>> Same for the footer of
http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/main (the "OFBiz feather" used for the tweet could be ok if all
>>>>>>> commiters get credentials and the PMC agree is the OFBiz official Tweeter account). Now
http://www.ofbiz.in.th/ is wrong
>>>>>>> also as long it's not on the ASF infra (ofbiz should not be used in domain name outsided of ASF infrastructure, is there
>>>>>>> other cases?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's time to clean the house, before all this becomes unmanageable (proliferation). I made my best to explain the rules, if
>>>>>>> you see a flaw in my reasoning please correct me. If you see other cases that should be corrected, chime in, it's your duty!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And please also understand that it's really not pleaseant for me (or anyone else I guess) to play the cop and spend so much
>>>>>>> time on this (for persons out of PMC, we already shared some about this privately). I dot it only because I'm a third party
>>>>>>> (ie not HWM affiliated nor Ant Web) and I like things to be clear and no injustices prevail. If we continue to ignore this
>>>>>>> facts they will finally blow up in our faces (as this Tweeter account issue being to show) and nobody will win anything.
>>>>>>> There are rules, why not simply follow them, is that so hard?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Tim Ruppert" <
[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Hans, please revert this one too - sorry. It wouldn't make sense for all service providers to do this - so please let's
>>>>>>>> not keep doing this stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What i would recommend for this kind of stuff, if we need to list it at all, would be to enhance the service providers
>>>>>>>> page on the wiki. I mentioned this earlier but maybe we should add a full page, linked from the service provider page,
>>>>>>>> where people can put this type of info? I personally think this is what your own website is for, but I'm all for
>>>>>>>> enhancing everyone's ability to get the word out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What does everyone think of that as a place to promote yourself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert
>>>>>>>> HotWax Media
>>>>>>>>
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594
>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Gray <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm only going to send one email about this, If anyone else cares they can push it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is news:
>>>>>>>>>> <a href="
http://www.twitter.com/apache_ofbiz/" target="_blank">Now OFBiz on <b>TWITTER</b>, follow the news from an
>>>>>>>>>> enduser perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day.
>>>>>>>>> A link to your home page is not:
>>>>>>>>>> You can also promote OFBiz at your site with this news, look <a href="
http://www.antwebsystems.com">here for an
>>>>>>>>>> example.</a>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why you are constantly trying to push the boundaries I have no idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/03/2010, at 6:14 PM,
[hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Author: hansbak
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010
>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 919905
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=919905&view=rev>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>> announcing the ofbiz twitter news now in line with the other news offerings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>> URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=919905&r1=919904&r2=919905&view=diff>>>>>>>>>> === === === =====================================================================
>>>>>>>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
>>>>>>>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010
>>>>>>>>>> @@ -237,6 +237,7 @@
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <h2>In the News</h2>
>>>>>>>>>> <ul>
>>>>>>>>>> + <li><a href="
http://www.twitter.com/ apache_ofbiz/" target="_blank">Now OFBiz on <b>TWITTER</b>,
>>>>>>>>>> follow the news from an enduser perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day. You can also promote OFBiz at your site with
>>>>>>>>>> this news, look <a href="
http://www.antwebsystems.com">here for an example.</a></li>
>>>>>>>>>> <li><a href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-pdf-export/
>>>>>>>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial – Implementing a Product PDF export</a> on <a
>>>>>>>>>> href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li>
>>>>>>>>>> <li><a href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-csv-export/
>>>>>>>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial – Implementing a Product CSV export</a> on <a
>>>>>>>>>> href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li>
>>>>>>>>>> <li><a href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-enhancing-the-product-list-screen/
>>>>>>>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial – Enhancing the Product list screen</a> on <a
>>>>>>>>>> href="
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li>
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