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> Scott made a good point.
> If there is duplicated code, and they don't add much useful
> functionality, then they can move out, provided this will not break
> anything.
> +1
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Scott Gray <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I have no problem with moving them out.
>>
>> Pierre, there is actually very little functionality available to either of those apps and nothing that isn't already available in
>> the main accounting app. They do however carry the burden of two extra webapps and a LOT of duplicated code. There is nothing
>> there that couldn't be achieved with better handling of the permissions within the main accounting app. The goal here as with all
>> of these cleanup efforts is to reduce unnecessary elements within OFBiz, improve the consistency of what is available and then
>> move forward with good design on a solid base.
>>
>> Moving components, webapps and whatever else to Extras is simply saying that we don't believe these items belong in a core OFBiz
>> distribution, nothing prevents them from being maintained by the community and used by anyone who would choose to do so. If there
>> is doubt that the components would be maintained after leaving OFBiz then in my mind that is more of a reason to discard them
>> than to keep them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 10/04/2012, at 1:09 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anil,
>>>
>>> Are you proposing and committing yourself to bring all non-overlapping
>>> functions in AP and AR to the core of the accounting application whilst
>>> maintaining the added value these to sub components offer regarding user
>>> friendliness and separation of concerns BEFORE moving AP and AR out to the
>>> pasture?
>>>
>>> In other words, redo all the work already done and perfectly working in
>>> both sub components of accounting? I would say: if it aint broken, don't
>>> try to fix it!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 10 april 2012 00:41 schreef Anil Patel <
[hidden email]> het
>>> volgende:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that toolset for supporting AR and AP processes are important for
>>>> a business. Like Jacopo mentioned, AR and AP webapplications don't have any
>>>> that does not already exists in Accounting webapplication.
>>>>
>>>> AR and AP webapplications are special purpose apps that try bring together
>>>> screens relevant to context and User Role. So by removing AR and AP
>>>> application from Accounting component we'll not be removing any
>>>> functionality. User will still be able to do comparable thing from
>>>> Accounting application. If there are exception I'll ensure its added to
>>>> accounting before removing AR and AP apps from Accounting application.
>>>>
>>>> Also Moving Application out from Accounting to Ofbiz Extras does not mean
>>>> that we have abandoned it. All it means is, User will install those apps
>>>> based on their needs. I have seen many eCommerce installations that don't
>>>> use accounting application at all. Such users will appreciate to get slim
>>>> down Ofbiz :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and Regards
>>>> Anil Patel
>>>> HotWax Media Inc
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is very normal in FICO solutions to have as much as possible a
>>>>> separation of concern implemented. This is applicable with regards to
>>>>> inbound and outbound money flows (AR vs AP), and in and outbound flow of
>>>>> goods (and the valueation thereof in FICO). For that (larger) companies
>>>>> ensure that people involved in AR would not have access to functions in
>>>> AP.
>>>>> But in more sophisticated ERP solutions that also applicable with the
>>>>> financial aspects of Asset Maint (that OFBiz has in the special purpose
>>>>> application Asset Maint),stock movements, the wages,tax, pensions and
>>>> soc
>>>>> sec administration of personell , and liquid asset (cash, banks and cc-)
>>>>> administration.
>>>>>
>>>>> All these are normally handled in sub accounting solutions (as are AR and
>>>>> AP, stock) where transactions are registered per identified item (ie the
>>>>> customer, supplier, stock item) and consolidated in transactions entries
>>>> in
>>>>> the general part of FICO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 8 april 2012 07:53 schreef Jacopo Cappellato <
>>>>>
[hidden email]> het volgende:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But for what I understand the AR and AP applications contain alternative
>>>>>> screens to the ones in the main "accounting" application. They are an
>>>>>> effort to implement more focused/specific applications versus the more
>>>>>> generic "accounting" application.
>>>>>> So, the main "accounting" application should already contain both the
>>>>>> AR/AP features, but some of its screens could serve both.
>>>>>> I would be in favor of the removal if we can make sure that all the
>>>>>> features that are removed are still available (even if in a more generic
>>>>>> way) in the "accounting" application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 1:23 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I first saw the subject I was thinking this as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always wondered why those were created as separate applications,
>>>>>>> perhaps for permission reasons I suppose. In a way they make more sense
>>>>>>> as part of the accounting webapp instead of in separate ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>>>>>> - 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Accounts payable (AP) and accounts receivable (AP) are together with
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ability to process accounting transactions the core ingredients of a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> FICO solution. Without both any accountant will state that your
>>>>>> accounting
>>>>>>>> solution is worthless. Without both core accounting components you
>>>> (as a
>>>>>>>> company) would have no overview of money owed to you or that you owe
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Op 7 april 2012 19:41 schreef Jacques Le Roux
>>>>>>>> <
[hidden email]>het volgende:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anil Patel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> Like lot of other stuff, I think AR and AP applications should be
>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>>> out of Ofbiz Accounting component. As such they are
>>>>>>>>>> special purpose application, but again not core to Ofbiz application
>>>>>>>>>> framework.
>>>>>>>>>> I recommend we should relocate AR and AP webapplications out of
>>>> Ofbiz
>>>>>>>>>> Accounting to Ofbiz Extras. If we as community agree, I'll
>>>>>>>>>> put efforts to complete the job.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Anil Patel
>>>>>>>>>> HotWax Media Inc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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