Hi all,
Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of persons using the same account? Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com |
I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss.
By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. Regards Scott On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi all, > Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues > made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. > > But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of > persons using the same account? > > Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the > ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to > individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. > > Regards, > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com |
FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like this.
Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual account, no problem there just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track who did what and can attribute the contribution accordingly. So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we work. Thanks! Gav… On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: > I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. > > By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. > > Regards > Scott > > On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >> >> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >> persons using the same account? >> >> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >> >> Regards, >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com > |
Thanks for the clarification, Gavin.
Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Gavin McDonald <[hidden email]> wrote: > FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like > this. > > Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual > account, no problem there > just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track > who did what and can attribute > the contribution accordingly. > > So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we > work. > > Thanks! > > Gav… > > On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. > Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue > I'm not sure there's much to discuss. > > > > By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? > Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or > disjointed discussions in the archives. > > > > Regards > > Scott > > > > On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA > issues > >> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. > >> > >> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of > >> persons using the same account? > >> > >> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the > >> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions > to > >> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Pierre Smits > >> > >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >> Services and Retail & Trade > >> http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > |
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Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with contributor permissions at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ I have removed it from this page to keep things clear I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their Confluence username... Jacques Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : > FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like this. > > Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual account, no problem there > just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track who did what and can attribute > the contribution accordingly. > > So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we work. > > Thanks! > > Gav… > > On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >> >> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>> >>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>> persons using the same account? >>> >>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Pierre Smits >>> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>> Services and Retail & Trade >>> http://www.orrtiz.com > > |
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Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : > I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good things there. But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* and only persons are responsible of their acts. A PMC chair shall not forget that point: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member like Anil. The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals can be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of their company? As the motto says: "community before code" Jacques > > By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. > > Regards > Scott > > On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >> >> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >> persons using the same account? >> >> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >> >> Regards, >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com > > |
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Hi Jacques,
Please add me to the Apache OFBiz Contributor list, following are the details, Confluence Username: mridulpathak Registered Email: [hidden email] Other Email: [hidden email] Company: http://www.hotwaxmedia.com (HotWax Media) -- Thanks & Regards, Mridul Pathak On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Gavin, > > Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with contributor permissions at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ > I have removed it from this page to keep things clear > > I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their Confluence username... > > Jacques > > Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : >> FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like this. >> >> Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual account, no problem there >> just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track who did what and can attribute >> the contribution accordingly. >> >> So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we work. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Gav… >> >> On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>> >>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>> >>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>> persons using the same account? >>>> >>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> > |
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It is also helpful to know who to contact if there is a question that
comes up in editing. It is nice to be able to ask a person directly for clarification. Ron On 16/09/2014 9:32 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : >> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. >> Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the >> issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. > > I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good > things there. > But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* and > only persons are responsible of their acts. > A PMC chair shall not forget that point: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member > like Anil. > > The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals can > be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of their > company? > > As the motto says: "community before code" > > Jacques > >> >> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? >> Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or >> disjointed discussions in the archives. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA >>> issues >>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>> >>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>> persons using the same account? >>> >>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of >>> the >>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute >>> contributions to >>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Pierre Smits >>> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>> Services and Retail & Trade >>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> > > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: [hidden email] skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 |
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Please add me to Apache OFBiz Contributor list. Below are the account details: Username: arunpati Email: [hidden email] Company: http://www.hotwaxmedia.com (HotWax Media) Thanks & Regards --- Arun Patidar On Tuesday 16 September 2014 06:46 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi Gavin, > > Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with > contributor permissions at > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ > I have removed it from this page to keep things clear > > I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun > Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their > Confluence username... > > Jacques > > Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : >> FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts >> like this. >> >> Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual >> account, no problem there >> just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to >> track who did what and can attribute >> the contribution accordingly. >> >> So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way >> we work. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Gav… >> >> On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual >>> accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking >>> care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>> >>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? >>> Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or >>> disjointed discussions in the archives. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA >>>> issues >>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>> >>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>> persons using the same account? >>>> >>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella >>>> of the >>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute >>>> contributions to >>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> > |
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Jacques Le 16/09/2014 16:11, Arun Patidar a écrit : > Hi Jacques, > > Please add me to Apache OFBiz Contributor list. Below are the account details: > > Username: arunpati > Email: [hidden email] > Company: http://www.hotwaxmedia.com (HotWax Media) > > Thanks & Regards > --- > Arun Patidar > > On Tuesday 16 September 2014 06:46 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Hi Gavin, >> >> Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with contributor permissions at >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ >> I have removed it from this page to keep things clear >> >> I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their Confluence >> username... >> >> Jacques >> >> Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : >>> FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like this. >>> >>> Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual account, no problem there >>> just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track who did what and can attribute >>> the contribution accordingly. >>> >>> So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we work. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Gav… >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue >>>> I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>>> >>>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed >>>> discussions in the archives. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>>> >>>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>>> persons using the same account? >>>>> >>>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>> >>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>> >>> >> > > |
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Jacques Le 16/09/2014 15:36, Mridul Pathak a écrit : > Hi Jacques, > > Please add me to the Apache OFBiz Contributor list, following are the details, > > Confluence Username: mridulpathak > Registered Email: [hidden email] > Other Email: [hidden email] > Company: http://www.hotwaxmedia.com (HotWax Media) > > -- > Thanks & Regards, > Mridul Pathak > > > > On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi Gavin, >> >> Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with contributor permissions at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ >> I have removed it from this page to keep things clear >> >> I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their Confluence username... >> >> Jacques >> >> Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : >>> FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like this. >>> >>> Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual account, no problem there >>> just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track who did what and can attribute >>> the contribution accordingly. >>> >>> So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we work. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Gav… >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>>> >>>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>>> >>>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>>> persons using the same account? >>>>> >>>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>> >>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>> > > |
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On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : >> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. > > I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good things there. > But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* and only persons are responsible of their acts. > A PMC chair shall not forget that point: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member like Anil. Premise: there are several similar non-personal users in the ASF Jira that submit Jira tickets (for OFBiz and other ASF projects) and, as far as I know, no one has complained or disabled them (see for example brema-dev, opensocial.qa, blackbox.dev, teamhiro...); not all I do is with my PMC Chair on. That account was just an experiment, a failed one I have to say, to facilitate the exchange of information between the OFBiz community and an HWM team that Anil has setup in order to facilitate our company contribution to the OFBiz project; the team is composed by analysts, designers, developers and testers. The idea was that the whole team could work on a contribution, possibly discussing the details with the community, and then either deliver the work to the community (patch in Jira) or communicate with one of the committers in our team; at that point the committer would have taken charge of the contribution (I think this is similar with what Hans is doing with several of his commits). Rather than mentioning all the people of the team in the commit log, the idea was to mention the team, with the committer taking ownership of the code change. It was probably not a great idea and I am ok to step back: maybe, rather than asking the Infra team to disable the account you could have mention your concerns to Anil or me, but I am not complaining for your action, the heated discussions in the last days may have played a role in your decision. It is not a big deal for HWM, we will just adjust this process and have individual communications with the community. > The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals can be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of their company? I agree this is an open and still unresolved topic: HWM has several employees that would be great OFBiz committers but in the past there were concerns from some of you about the fact that HWM could be represented by too many persons. We will see how it goes. > > As the motto says: "community before code" +1 Jacopo > > Jacques > >> >> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>> >>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>> persons using the same account? >>> >>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Pierre Smits >>> >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>> Services and Retail & Trade >>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> > |
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Le 16/09/2014 19:21, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : > On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : >>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >> I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good things there. >> But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* and only persons are responsible of their acts. >> A PMC chair shall not forget that point: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member like Anil. > Premise: there are several similar non-personal users in the ASF Jira that submit Jira tickets (for OFBiz and other ASF projects) and, as far as I know, no one has complained or disabled them (see for example brema-dev, opensocial.qa, blackbox.dev, teamhiro...); not all I do is with my PMC Chair on. > That account was just an experiment, a failed one I have to say, to facilitate the exchange of information between the OFBiz community and an HWM team that Anil has setup in order to facilitate our company contribution to the OFBiz project; the team is composed by analysts, designers, developers and testers. The idea was that the whole team could work on a contribution, possibly discussing the details with the community, and then either deliver the work to the community (patch in Jira) or communicate with one of the committers in our team; at that point the committer would have taken charge of the contribution (I think this is similar with what Hans is doing with several of his commits). Rather than mentioning all the people of the team in the commit log, the idea was to mention the team, with the committer taking ownership of the code change. > It was probably not a great idea and I am ok to step back: maybe, rather than asking the Infra team to disable the account you could have mention your concerns to Anil or me, but I am not complaining for your action, the heated discussions in the last days may have played a role in your decision. I guess you read that line from Anil? > don’t know what you mean, IMO, OFBiz will be not be in bad shape if Jacques was not doing what he is doing for OFBiz. Jacques > It is not a big deal for HWM, we will just adjust this process and have individual communications with the community. > >> The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals can be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of their company? > I agree this is an open and still unresolved topic: HWM has several employees that would be great OFBiz committers but in the past there were concerns from some of you about the fact that HWM could be represented by too many persons. We will see how it goes. > >> As the motto says: "community before code" > +1 > > Jacopo > >> Jacques >> >>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>> >>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>> persons using the same account? >>>> >>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>> > > |
On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I guess you read that line from Anil? > > don’t know what you mean, IMO, OFBiz will be not be in bad shape if Jacques was not doing what he is doing for OFBiz. Jacques, frankly speaking I didn't find it as offensive as you and others found it (and some individuals replied with even worst attacks), but I understand it is a matter of personal sensibility... I guess we can move on now. Jacopo |
On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I guess you read that line from Anil? >>> don’t know what you mean, IMO, OFBiz will be not be in bad shape if Jacques was not doing what he is doing for OFBiz. Ah... just to be super clear we are on the same page; the way I read the above sentence is the following: "OFBiz will not be very different from what it is now even if Jacques would not be involved in the project" I just checked with Anil and this is indeed what he meant to say. Jacopo > > Jacques, frankly speaking I didn't find it as offensive as you and others found it (and some individuals replied with even worst attacks), but I understand it is a matter of personal sensibility... I guess we can move on now. > > Jacopo |
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There is also the legal issue about who has signed an ICLA and who has
agreed to give up their rights to the code. It would not be very much fun if someone claimed that they has submitted code under a group name and had never signed an ICLA but now wanted Apache to stop using their code. It is not clear who would be responsible for fixing the system and indemnifying the coder for using his/her work without permission. Could the person sue individual companies who use OFBiz containing his/her code. This would be a PR nightmare. The foundation of the ASF and the Apache License is that you can use code without fear that someone will show up at your door and make you stop using it because the coder never agreed to allow you to use it. We all count on the PMC to ensure that the code base does not include code that should not be there. The ICLA is the first line of protection. A Corporate CLA may also be required if the individual contributor works for a company that owns all the code that they produce during working hours. Might be a good idea to review this before making a decision about group accounts. http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter described what needs to be done before accepting contribution from a new person. I am uncomfortable about wiki contributions from people without an ICLA but code contributions from people who have not signed an ICLA is probably going to drive ASF crazy. Ron On 16/09/2014 1:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : >>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >> I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good things there. >> But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* and only persons are responsible of their acts. >> A PMC chair shall not forget that point: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member like Anil. > Premise: there are several similar non-personal users in the ASF Jira that submit Jira tickets (for OFBiz and other ASF projects) and, as far as I know, no one has complained or disabled them (see for example brema-dev, opensocial.qa, blackbox.dev, teamhiro...); not all I do is with my PMC Chair on. > That account was just an experiment, a failed one I have to say, to facilitate the exchange of information between the OFBiz community and an HWM team that Anil has setup in order to facilitate our company contribution to the OFBiz project; the team is composed by analysts, designers, developers and testers. The idea was that the whole team could work on a contribution, possibly discussing the details with the community, and then either deliver the work to the community (patch in Jira) or communicate with one of the committers in our team; at that point the committer would have taken charge of the contribution (I think this is similar with what Hans is doing with several of his commits). Rather than mentioning all the people of the team in the commit log, the idea was to mention the team, with the committer taking ownership of the code change. > It was probably not a great idea and I am ok to step back: maybe, rather than asking the Infra team to disable the account you could have mention your concerns to Anil or me, but I am not complaining for your action, the heated discussions in the last days may have played a role in your decision. > It is not a big deal for HWM, we will just adjust this process and have individual communications with the community. > >> The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals can be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of their company? > I agree this is an open and still unresolved topic: HWM has several employees that would be great OFBiz committers but in the past there were concerns from some of you about the fact that HWM could be represented by too many persons. We will see how it goes. > >> As the motto says: "community before code" > +1 > > Jacopo > >> Jacques >> >>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>> >>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>> persons using the same account? >>>> >>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>> > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: [hidden email] skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 |
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Le 16/09/2014 20:53, Ron Wheeler a écrit : > There is also the legal issue about who has signed an ICLA and who has agreed to give up their rights to the code. > > It would not be very much fun if someone claimed that they has submitted code under a group name and had never signed an ICLA but now wanted Apache > to stop using their code. Some facts I know This person should have the proof she is in this situation. It's unclear to me at the international level. For instance in France if you are an employee all your code pertains to your company. But anyway each committer is somehow responsible of that he commits. I wrote somehow because I recently (some months ago finally, time fly when you are having fun ;) followed a very interesting conversation titled "Continuous release review" in [hidden email] ML and it let me puzzled. You might find and judge by yourself from here in this thread http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201405.mbox/%3CFBC4057E-4197-4142-A789-A12621224377@...%3E in a sense or the other (more back though IIRW) This one is also interesting http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201406.mbox/%3C53A7E5A8.30609@...%3E And finally this one https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201408.mbox/%3C072001cfbd5c$b46d0c00$1d472400$@rosenlaw.com%3E > It is not clear who would be responsible for fixing the system and indemnifying the coder for using his/her work without permission. > Could the person sue individual companies who use OFBiz containing his/her code. This would be a PR nightmare. In theory that should not happen, of course exceptions always happen :D > The foundation of the ASF and the Apache License is that you can use code without fear that someone will show up at your door and make you stop > using it because the coder never agreed to allow you to use it. > We all count on the PMC to ensure that the code base does not include code that should not be there. > The ICLA is the first line of protection. > A Corporate CLA may also be required if the individual contributor works for a company that owns all the code that they produce during working hours. > > Might be a good idea to review this before making a decision about group accounts. > http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html > > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter described what needs to be done before accepting contribution from a new person. > > I am uncomfortable about wiki contributions from people without an ICLA but code contributions from people who have not signed an ICLA is probably > going to drive ASF crazy. An important link is in the thread I referred to above, for those who don't have the time to read it, here it is http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager And remember the motto: Community (social aspect) before code (legal aspect). Make the think that a jurisdiction looking at the proofs always consider the social aspects when judging the legal ones, this is called jurisprudence. I never heard so far that someone seriously sued the ASF, but I could be wrong... Disclaimer: obviously I'm not a lawyer :D Jacques > > Ron > > > On 16/09/2014 1:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : >>>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue >>>> I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>> I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good things there. >>> But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* and only persons are responsible of their acts. >>> A PMC chair shall not forget that point: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member like Anil. >> Premise: there are several similar non-personal users in the ASF Jira that submit Jira tickets (for OFBiz and other ASF projects) and, as far as I >> know, no one has complained or disabled them (see for example brema-dev, opensocial.qa, blackbox.dev, teamhiro...); not all I do is with my PMC >> Chair on. >> That account was just an experiment, a failed one I have to say, to facilitate the exchange of information between the OFBiz community and an HWM >> team that Anil has setup in order to facilitate our company contribution to the OFBiz project; the team is composed by analysts, designers, >> developers and testers. The idea was that the whole team could work on a contribution, possibly discussing the details with the community, and then >> either deliver the work to the community (patch in Jira) or communicate with one of the committers in our team; at that point the committer would >> have taken charge of the contribution (I think this is similar with what Hans is doing with several of his commits). Rather than mentioning all the >> people of the team in the commit log, the idea was to mention the team, with the committer taking ownership of the code change. >> It was probably not a great idea and I am ok to step back: maybe, rather than asking the Infra team to disable the account you could have mention >> your concerns to Anil or me, but I am not complaining for your action, the heated discussions in the last days may have played a role in your >> decision. >> It is not a big deal for HWM, we will just adjust this process and have individual communications with the community. >> >>> The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals can be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of their company? >> I agree this is an open and still unresolved topic: HWM has several employees that would be great OFBiz committers but in the past there were >> concerns from some of you about the fact that HWM could be represented by too many persons. We will see how it goes. >> >>> As the motto says: "community before code" >> +1 >> >> Jacopo >> >>> Jacques >>> >>>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed >>>> discussions in the archives. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>>> >>>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>>> persons using the same account? >>>>> >>>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>> >>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>> >> > > |
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On 16/09/2014 4:56 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > Le 16/09/2014 20:53, Ron Wheeler a écrit : >> There is also the legal issue about who has signed an ICLA and who >> has agreed to give up their rights to the code. >> >> It would not be very much fun if someone claimed that they has >> submitted code under a group name and had never signed an ICLA but >> now wanted Apache to stop using their code. > > Some facts I know > This person should have the proof she is in this situation. It's > unclear to me at the international level. For instance in France if > you are an employee all your code pertains to your company. > > But anyway each committer is somehow responsible of that he commits. I > wrote somehow because I recently (some months ago finally, time fly > when you are having fun ;) followed a very interesting conversation > titled "Continuous release review" in [hidden email] ML and > it let me puzzled. You might find and judge by yourself from here in > this thread > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201405.mbox/%3CFBC4057E-4197-4142-A789-A12621224377@...%3E > in a sense or the other (more back though IIRW) > > This one is also interesting > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201406.mbox/%3C53A7E5A8.30609@...%3E > And finally this one > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201408.mbox/%3C072001cfbd5c$b46d0c00$1d472400$@rosenlaw.com%3E > >> It is not clear who would be responsible for fixing the system and >> indemnifying the coder for using his/her work without permission. >> Could the person sue individual companies who use OFBiz containing >> his/her code. This would be a PR nightmare. > > In theory that should not happen, of course exceptions always happen :D It can not happen because everyone who commits code has signed an ICLA and has taken personal responsibility for getting the employer's permission to contribute the code. If an ASF project allows anonymous contributions, this breaks down. The PMC is responsible for ensuring that this does not happen. > >> The foundation of the ASF and the Apache License is that you can use >> code without fear that someone will show up at your door and make you >> stop using it because the coder never agreed to allow you to use it. >> We all count on the PMC to ensure that the code base does not include >> code that should not be there. >> The ICLA is the first line of protection. >> A Corporate CLA may also be required if the individual contributor >> works for a company that owns all the code that they produce during >> working hours. >> >> Might be a good idea to review this before making a decision about >> group accounts. >> http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html >> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter described what needs >> to be done before accepting contribution from a new person. >> >> I am uncomfortable about wiki contributions from people without an >> ICLA but code contributions from people who have not signed an ICLA >> is probably going to drive ASF crazy. > > An important link is in the thread I referred to above, for those who > don't have the time to read it, here it is > http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager > > And remember the motto: Community (social aspect) before code (legal > aspect). > Make the think that a jurisdiction looking at the proofs always > consider the social aspects when judging the legal ones, this is > called jurisprudence. > I never heard so far that someone seriously sued the ASF, but I could > be wrong... > > Disclaimer: obviously I'm not a lawyer :D > > Jacques > >> >> Ron >> >> >> On 16/09/2014 1:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux >>> <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Le 16/09/2014 11:57, Scott Gray a écrit : >>>>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual >>>>> accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already >>>>> taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>>> I believe there were no ill intents. This page tends to prove it >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~hwmofbizus : only good >>>> things there. >>>> But we know that the Apache way is about individual *meritocracy* >>>> and only persons are responsible of their acts. >>>> A PMC chair shall not forget that point: >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8229, nor a PMC member >>>> like Anil. >>> Premise: there are several similar non-personal users in the ASF >>> Jira that submit Jira tickets (for OFBiz and other ASF projects) >>> and, as far as I know, no one has complained or disabled them (see >>> for example brema-dev, opensocial.qa, blackbox.dev, teamhiro...); >>> not all I do is with my PMC Chair on. >>> That account was just an experiment, a failed one I have to say, to >>> facilitate the exchange of information between the OFBiz community >>> and an HWM team that Anil has setup in order to facilitate our >>> company contribution to the OFBiz project; the team is composed by >>> analysts, designers, developers and testers. The idea was that the >>> whole team could work on a contribution, possibly discussing the >>> details with the community, and then either deliver the work to the >>> community (patch in Jira) or communicate with one of the committers >>> in our team; at that point the committer would have taken charge of >>> the contribution (I think this is similar with what Hans is doing >>> with several of his commits). Rather than mentioning all the people >>> of the team in the commit log, the idea was to mention the team, >>> with the committer taking ownership of the code change. >>> It was probably not a great idea and I am ok to step back: maybe, >>> rather than asking the Infra team to disable the account you could >>> have mention your concerns to Anil or me, but I am not complaining >>> for your action, the heated discussions in the last days may have >>> played a role in your decision. >>> It is not a big deal for HWM, we will just adjust this process and >>> have individual communications with the community. >>> >>>> The only things I'm a bit worry about is how deserving individuals >>>> can be recognised if they are only seen through contributions of >>>> their company? >>> I agree this is an open and still unresolved topic: HWM has several >>> employees that would be great OFBiz committers but in the past there >>> were concerns from some of you about the fact that HWM could be >>> represented by too many persons. We will see how it goes. >>> >>>> As the motto says: "community before code" >>> +1 >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? >>>>> Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or >>>>> disjointed discussions in the archives. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to >>>>>> JIRA issues >>>>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>>>> >>>>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>>>> persons using the same account? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella >>>>>> of the >>>>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute >>>>>> contributions to >>>>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>> >>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>> >>> >> >> > > -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: [hidden email] skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 |
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Thanks Jacques
Thanks & Regards --- Arun Patidar On Tuesday 16 September 2014 08:05 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Done > > Jacques > > Le 16/09/2014 16:11, Arun Patidar a écrit : >> Hi Jacques, >> >> Please add me to Apache OFBiz Contributor list. Below are the account >> details: >> >> Username: arunpati >> Email: [hidden email] >> Company: http://www.hotwaxmedia.com (HotWax Media) >> >> Thanks & Regards >> --- >> Arun Patidar >> >> On Tuesday 16 September 2014 06:46 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> Hi Gavin, >>> >>> Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with >>> contributor permissions at >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ >>> I have removed it from this page to keep things clear >>> >>> I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun >>> Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their >>> Confluence username... >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : >>>> FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared >>>> accounts like this. >>>> >>>> Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an >>>> individual account, no problem there >>>> just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to >>>> track who did what and can attribute >>>> the contribution accordingly. >>>> >>>> So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way >>>> we work. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Gav… >>>> >>>> On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual >>>>> accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already >>>>> taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>>>> >>>>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? >>>>> Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or >>>>> disjointed discussions in the archives. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to >>>>>> JIRA issues >>>>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>>>> >>>>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>>>> persons using the same account? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella >>>>>> of the >>>>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute >>>>>> contributions to >>>>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>> >>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Hi Jacques,
Please add me to Apache OFBiz Contributor list. Following are the details: Confluence Username: divesh.dutta Registered Email: [hidden email] Other Email: [hidden email] Company: http://www.hotwaxmedia.com (HotWax Media) Thanks — Divesh On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Gavin, > > Thanks, because I could still see the hwmofbizus account with contributor permissions at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/spaces/spacepermissions.action?key=OFBIZ > I have removed it from this page to keep things clear > > I'm, of course, ready to add Mridul Pathak,Divesh Dutta and Arun Patidar as contributors at any moment. We just need to know their Confluence username... > > Jacques > > Le 16/09/2014 12:31, Gavin McDonald a écrit : >> FWIW I've disabled that team account. We do not allow shared accounts like this. >> >> Anyone wanting to contribute to the wiki may do so with an individual account, no problem there >> just let folks know that you need access. This way we also get to track who did what and can attribute >> the contribution accordingly. >> >> So, please, no using shared accounts, it isn't necessary or the way we work. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Gav… >> >> On 16/09/2014, at 10:57 AM, Scott Gray <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> I think it would be better if contributors used individual accounts. Since there was no ill intent and infra is already taking care of the issue I'm not sure there's much to discuss. >>> >>> By the way, could you please pick a single list to send to? Cross-posting is annoying and results in a bunch of duplicated or disjointed discussions in the archives. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 16/09/2014, at 9:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Recently I saw some changes to wiki pages and some comments to JIRA issues >>>> made by user hmwofbizus with name Hotwax Media OFBiz Team. >>>> >>>> But who is Hotwax Media OFBiz Team? Is that one person or a group of >>>> persons using the same account? >>>> >>>> Is this what we want in an open source project under the umbrella of the >>>> ASF? It seems to me that it makes it harder to attribute contributions to >>>> individuals and to bestow merit and thanks to the person. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> > |
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