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Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. Regards, Heidi -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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It is already explained previously on the mailing list
http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results Also updated the glossary https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary Bilgin On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a > "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? > > In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two > words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. > > Regards, > Heidi > > -- > Olagos bvba > http://www.olagos.eu > http://www.olagos.com > http://www.olagos.be > http://www.olagos.nl > Olagos team > Heesterbos 5 > 2570 Duffel > Belgium |
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A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells
products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through Amazon are vendors. A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. -Adrian On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: > It is already explained previously on the mailing list > > http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results > > Also updated the glossary > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary > > Bilgin > > On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a >> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >> >> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >> >> Regards, >> Heidi >> >> -- >> Olagos bvba >> http://www.olagos.eu >> http://www.olagos.com >> http://www.olagos.be >> http://www.olagos.nl >> Olagos team >> Heesterbos 5 >> 2570 Duffel >> Belgium |
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ok i understand it now.
Thanks. Very interesting ! Regards, Heidi 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum <[hidden email]>: > A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells > products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through > Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through Amazon are > vendors. > > A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. > > -Adrian > > > On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >> >> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >> >> >> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >> >> Also updated the glossary >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >> >> Bilgin >> >> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a >>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>> >>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Heidi >>> >>> -- >>> Olagos bvba >>> http://www.olagos.eu >>> http://www.olagos.com >>> http://www.olagos.be >>> http://www.olagos.nl >>> Olagos team >>> Heesterbos 5 >>> 2570 Duffel >>> Belgium -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Hi Heidi:
Another way to look at this: 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz applications, you might observe that: A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? Regards, Ruth [hidden email] http://www.myofbiz.com On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: > ok i understand it now. > > Thanks. Very interesting ! > > Regards, > Heidi > > 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through >> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through Amazon are >> vendors. >> >> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >> >> -Adrian >> >> >> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>> >>> >>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>> >>> Also updated the glossary >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>> >>> Bilgin >>> >>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a >>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>> >>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Heidi >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Olagos bvba >>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>> Olagos team >>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>> 2570 Duffel >>>> Belgium > > |
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Hi Ruth,
Yes ok, but now i am a little bit again confused. In fact there is not so much difference between a vendor and a supplier then. I didn't saw neither any interactive functionalities around a vendor on the commerce website. Perhaps there is any interaction in the accounting module ????? Do you know that? Heidi 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>: > Hi Heidi: > Another way to look at this: > > 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO > *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) > > 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz > applications, you might observe that: > > A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the OFBiz > instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for manufacturing, > products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your business. > When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with > something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". > > So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It is > as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) > > Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? > > Regards, > Ruth > [hidden email] > http://www.myofbiz.com > > > > On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >> >> ok i understand it now. >> >> Thanks. Very interesting ! >> >> Regards, >> Heidi >> >> 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >>> >>> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >>> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through >>> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through Amazon >>> are >>> vendors. >>> >>> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> >>> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>>> >>>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>>> >>>> Also updated the glossary >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>>> >>>> Bilgin >>>> >>>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a >>>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>>> >>>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Heidi >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>> Olagos team >>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>> Belgium >> >> >> > -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Ruth Hoffman wrote: > 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz > applications, you might observe that: > > A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the > OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for > manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to > run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) > supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". > > So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It > is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) > > Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase order is sent to a Supplier. The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have multiple vendors selling through a single store. They are not really equivalent terms. -David |
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Hi David:
Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some responses. Please see below: On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >> applications, you might observe that: >> >> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to >> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". >> >> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >> >> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? > Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running > OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase > order is sent to a Supplier. OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you name your accounts. > The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any > Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in > your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have > multiple vendors selling through a single store. Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the data model does not enforce this relationship. > > They are not really equivalent terms. Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or complex than it already is. Regards, Ruth > > -David > > |
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Hi Heidi:
IMHO no. They are the same Party just acting in different roles. IMHO we should just stop talking about them as 2 different things. Here is where I am coming from: I did not write any of the project code or design the original data model. I just use this stuff - day in and day out. My interpretations are based on how I've implemented different business automation relative to my clients needs. When my client says that they want to support and track vendors who supply raw materials to their manufacturing shop, I do not stop and ask myself whether or not these parties are defined as "vendors" or "suppliers". That same client may also say "I want to track supplies (from vendors) as they are received in my warehouse become part of inventory and then may be resold on the ecommerce site". Again, I don't stop to ask myself whether those parties are "vendors" or "suppliers". My clients and I call these parties "vendors". These vendors "supply" the company with goods. When they supply the company with goods, products or services they are vendors acting in a role of "supplier". This interpretation has stood the test of time and works for me and my clients. Your mileage may vary...but that is the beauty of OFBiz. It is flexible enough to withstand even the most outlandish of misinterpretations. Not sure what you mean by vendor and ecommerce website? Regards, Ruth On 12/9/11 3:23 PM, Info Olagos wrote: > Hi Ruth, > > Yes ok, but now i am a little bit again confused. In fact there is not > so much difference between a vendor and a supplier then. > I didn't saw neither any interactive functionalities around a vendor > on the commerce website. Perhaps there is any interaction in the > accounting module ????? > Do you know that? > > Heidi > > 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >> Hi Heidi: >> Another way to look at this: >> >> 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO >> *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) >> >> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >> applications, you might observe that: >> >> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the OFBiz >> instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for manufacturing, >> products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your business. >> When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with >> something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". >> >> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It is >> as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >> >> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >> >> Regards, >> Ruth >> [hidden email] >> http://www.myofbiz.com >> >> >> >> On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>> ok i understand it now. >>> >>> Thanks. Very interesting ! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Heidi >>> >>> 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >>>> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >>>> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through >>>> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through Amazon >>>> are >>>> vendors. >>>> >>>> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>>>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>>>> >>>>> Also updated the glossary >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>>>> >>>>> Bilgin >>>>> >>>>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and a >>>>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>>>> >>>>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Heidi >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>> Belgium >>> >>> > > |
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Yes thanks.
Ruth i just mean with e-commerce site, that i don't see any influence on the e-commerce content when i should define a vendor for a product in the catalog. There is no difference in the content on the e-commerce web pages. I mean on Amazon.com you could see who is the vendor for some products when it is not Amazon itself. But that is not implemented (yet?) in ofbiz ecommerce component. Heidi 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>: > Hi Heidi: > IMHO no. They are the same Party just acting in different roles. > > IMHO we should just stop talking about them as 2 different things. Here is > where I am coming from: I did not write any of the project code or design > the original data model. I just use this stuff - day in and day out. My > interpretations are based on how I've implemented different business > automation relative to my clients needs. When my client says that they want > to support and track vendors who supply raw materials to their manufacturing > shop, I do not stop and ask myself whether or not these parties are defined > as "vendors" or "suppliers". > > That same client may also say "I want to track supplies (from vendors) as > they are received in my warehouse become part of inventory and then may be > resold on the ecommerce site". Again, I don't stop to ask myself whether > those parties are "vendors" or "suppliers". My clients and I call these > parties "vendors". These vendors "supply" the company with goods. When they > supply the company with goods, products or services they are vendors acting > in a role of "supplier". > > This interpretation has stood the test of time and works for me and my > clients. Your mileage may vary...but that is the beauty of OFBiz. It is > flexible enough to withstand even the most outlandish of misinterpretations. > > Not sure what you mean by vendor and ecommerce website? > > Regards, > Ruth > > > On 12/9/11 3:23 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >> >> Hi Ruth, >> >> Yes ok, but now i am a little bit again confused. In fact there is not >> so much difference between a vendor and a supplier then. >> I didn't saw neither any interactive functionalities around a vendor >> on the commerce website. Perhaps there is any interaction in the >> accounting module ????? >> Do you know that? >> >> Heidi >> >> 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >>> >>> Hi Heidi: >>> Another way to look at this: >>> >>> 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO >>> *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) >>> >>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>> applications, you might observe that: >>> >>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>> OFBiz >>> instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for manufacturing, >>> products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your >>> business. >>> When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with >>> something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". >>> >>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>> is >>> as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>> >>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> [hidden email] >>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>> >>>> ok i understand it now. >>>> >>>> Thanks. Very interesting ! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Heidi >>>> >>>> 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >>>>> >>>>> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >>>>> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through >>>>> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through >>>>> Amazon >>>>> are >>>>> vendors. >>>>> >>>>> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>>>>> >>>>>> Also updated the glossary >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>>>>> >>>>>> Bilgin >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>>>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Heidi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>> Belgium >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Hi Heidi:
Oh, I see now. Out-of-the-box I believe that the VendorProduct information is not displayed on the ecommerce site. In 9.x and 10.x I don't remember seeing this anywhere. Should not be hard to do if you are capturing that information at some point. For one client, I built a layer on top of the Catalog Manager that allowed them to easily add product vendor information (without having to go through all the screens from the Party Manager, Accounting Manager and then Catalog Manager etc.) at the same time they added or updated product info. And then, on the e-commerce site, the just added a field that displayed the vendor name and contact info. Regards, Ruth [hidden email] http://www.myofbiz.com On 12/9/11 5:55 PM, Info Olagos wrote: > Yes thanks. > Ruth i just mean with e-commerce site, that i don't see any influence > on the e-commerce content when i should define a vendor for a product > in the catalog. > > There is no difference in the content on the e-commerce web pages. I > mean on Amazon.com you could see who is the vendor for some products > when it is not Amazon itself. But that is not implemented (yet?) in > ofbiz ecommerce component. > > Heidi > > 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >> Hi Heidi: >> IMHO no. They are the same Party just acting in different roles. >> >> IMHO we should just stop talking about them as 2 different things. Here is >> where I am coming from: I did not write any of the project code or design >> the original data model. I just use this stuff - day in and day out. My >> interpretations are based on how I've implemented different business >> automation relative to my clients needs. When my client says that they want >> to support and track vendors who supply raw materials to their manufacturing >> shop, I do not stop and ask myself whether or not these parties are defined >> as "vendors" or "suppliers". >> >> That same client may also say "I want to track supplies (from vendors) as >> they are received in my warehouse become part of inventory and then may be >> resold on the ecommerce site". Again, I don't stop to ask myself whether >> those parties are "vendors" or "suppliers". My clients and I call these >> parties "vendors". These vendors "supply" the company with goods. When they >> supply the company with goods, products or services they are vendors acting >> in a role of "supplier". >> >> This interpretation has stood the test of time and works for me and my >> clients. Your mileage may vary...but that is the beauty of OFBiz. It is >> flexible enough to withstand even the most outlandish of misinterpretations. >> >> Not sure what you mean by vendor and ecommerce website? >> >> Regards, >> Ruth >> >> >> On 12/9/11 3:23 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>> Hi Ruth, >>> >>> Yes ok, but now i am a little bit again confused. In fact there is not >>> so much difference between a vendor and a supplier then. >>> I didn't saw neither any interactive functionalities around a vendor >>> on the commerce website. Perhaps there is any interaction in the >>> accounting module ????? >>> Do you know that? >>> >>> Heidi >>> >>> 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >>>> Hi Heidi: >>>> Another way to look at this: >>>> >>>> 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO >>>> *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) >>>> >>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>> >>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>> OFBiz >>>> instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for manufacturing, >>>> products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your >>>> business. >>>> When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with >>>> something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". >>>> >>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>>> is >>>> as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>> >>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>> ok i understand it now. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. Very interesting ! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Heidi >>>>> >>>>> 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >>>>>> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >>>>>> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products through >>>>>> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through >>>>>> Amazon >>>>>> are >>>>>> vendors. >>>>>> >>>>>> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>>>>>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also updated the glossary >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bilgin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" and >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>>>>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Heidi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > |
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Nice idea. Perhaps something i can add in the future on the www.olagos.eu site.
By the way do you know that every time i have to search something about Ofbiz i take always first your book "The Apache Ofbiz Cookbook". I am always hoping you make one time a part 2 or an extension or something !! Heidi 2011/12/10 Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>: > Hi Heidi: > Oh, I see now. Out-of-the-box I believe that the VendorProduct information > is not displayed on the ecommerce site. In 9.x and 10.x I don't remember > seeing this anywhere. > > Should not be hard to do if you are capturing that information at some > point. For one client, I built a layer on top of the Catalog Manager that > allowed them to easily add product vendor information (without having to go > through all the screens from the Party Manager, Accounting Manager and then > Catalog Manager etc.) at the same time they added or updated product info. > And then, on the e-commerce site, the just added a field that displayed the > vendor name and contact info. > > > Regards, > Ruth > [hidden email] > http://www.myofbiz.com > > On 12/9/11 5:55 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >> >> Yes thanks. >> Ruth i just mean with e-commerce site, that i don't see any influence >> on the e-commerce content when i should define a vendor for a product >> in the catalog. >> >> There is no difference in the content on the e-commerce web pages. I >> mean on Amazon.com you could see who is the vendor for some products >> when it is not Amazon itself. But that is not implemented (yet?) in >> ofbiz ecommerce component. >> >> Heidi >> >> 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >>> >>> Hi Heidi: >>> IMHO no. They are the same Party just acting in different roles. >>> >>> IMHO we should just stop talking about them as 2 different things. Here >>> is >>> where I am coming from: I did not write any of the project code or design >>> the original data model. I just use this stuff - day in and day out. My >>> interpretations are based on how I've implemented different business >>> automation relative to my clients needs. When my client says that they >>> want >>> to support and track vendors who supply raw materials to their >>> manufacturing >>> shop, I do not stop and ask myself whether or not these parties are >>> defined >>> as "vendors" or "suppliers". >>> >>> That same client may also say "I want to track supplies (from vendors) as >>> they are received in my warehouse become part of inventory and then may >>> be >>> resold on the ecommerce site". Again, I don't stop to ask myself whether >>> those parties are "vendors" or "suppliers". My clients and I call these >>> parties "vendors". These vendors "supply" the company with goods. When >>> they >>> supply the company with goods, products or services they are vendors >>> acting >>> in a role of "supplier". >>> >>> This interpretation has stood the test of time and works for me and my >>> clients. Your mileage may vary...but that is the beauty of OFBiz. It is >>> flexible enough to withstand even the most outlandish of >>> misinterpretations. >>> >>> Not sure what you mean by vendor and ecommerce website? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> >>> On 12/9/11 3:23 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ruth, >>>> >>>> Yes ok, but now i am a little bit again confused. In fact there is not >>>> so much difference between a vendor and a supplier then. >>>> I didn't saw neither any interactive functionalities around a vendor >>>> on the commerce website. Perhaps there is any interaction in the >>>> accounting module ????? >>>> Do you know that? >>>> >>>> Heidi >>>> >>>> 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>> Another way to look at this: >>>>> >>>>> 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO >>>>> *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) >>>>> >>>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>>> >>>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>>> OFBiz >>>>> instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>>> manufacturing, >>>>> products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your >>>>> business. >>>>> When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with >>>>> something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". >>>>> >>>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. >>>>> It >>>>> is >>>>> as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>>> >>>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ok i understand it now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. Very interesting ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Heidi >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >>>>>>> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through >>>>>>> Amazon >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> vendors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also updated the glossary >>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bilgin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>>>>>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Heidi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> > -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Hi Heidi:
Thanks much for the endorsement! Maybe if PACKT asks me again, I might be able to do that. There was a lot of material I wanted to include in that book that PACKT made me cut out. They have very strict guidelines on book layout, number of pages etc. Thanks again. Regards, Ruth On 12/9/11 6:16 PM, Info Olagos wrote: > Nice idea. Perhaps something i can add in the future on the www.olagos.eu site. > > By the way do you know that every time i have to search something > about Ofbiz i take always first your book "The Apache Ofbiz Cookbook". > I am always hoping you make one time a part 2 or an extension or > something !! > > Heidi > > 2011/12/10 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >> Hi Heidi: >> Oh, I see now. Out-of-the-box I believe that the VendorProduct information >> is not displayed on the ecommerce site. In 9.x and 10.x I don't remember >> seeing this anywhere. >> >> Should not be hard to do if you are capturing that information at some >> point. For one client, I built a layer on top of the Catalog Manager that >> allowed them to easily add product vendor information (without having to go >> through all the screens from the Party Manager, Accounting Manager and then >> Catalog Manager etc.) at the same time they added or updated product info. >> And then, on the e-commerce site, the just added a field that displayed the >> vendor name and contact info. >> >> >> Regards, >> Ruth >> [hidden email] >> http://www.myofbiz.com >> >> On 12/9/11 5:55 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>> Yes thanks. >>> Ruth i just mean with e-commerce site, that i don't see any influence >>> on the e-commerce content when i should define a vendor for a product >>> in the catalog. >>> >>> There is no difference in the content on the e-commerce web pages. I >>> mean on Amazon.com you could see who is the vendor for some products >>> when it is not Amazon itself. But that is not implemented (yet?) in >>> ofbiz ecommerce component. >>> >>> Heidi >>> >>> 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >>>> Hi Heidi: >>>> IMHO no. They are the same Party just acting in different roles. >>>> >>>> IMHO we should just stop talking about them as 2 different things. Here >>>> is >>>> where I am coming from: I did not write any of the project code or design >>>> the original data model. I just use this stuff - day in and day out. My >>>> interpretations are based on how I've implemented different business >>>> automation relative to my clients needs. When my client says that they >>>> want >>>> to support and track vendors who supply raw materials to their >>>> manufacturing >>>> shop, I do not stop and ask myself whether or not these parties are >>>> defined >>>> as "vendors" or "suppliers". >>>> >>>> That same client may also say "I want to track supplies (from vendors) as >>>> they are received in my warehouse become part of inventory and then may >>>> be >>>> resold on the ecommerce site". Again, I don't stop to ask myself whether >>>> those parties are "vendors" or "suppliers". My clients and I call these >>>> parties "vendors". These vendors "supply" the company with goods. When >>>> they >>>> supply the company with goods, products or services they are vendors >>>> acting >>>> in a role of "supplier". >>>> >>>> This interpretation has stood the test of time and works for me and my >>>> clients. Your mileage may vary...but that is the beauty of OFBiz. It is >>>> flexible enough to withstand even the most outlandish of >>>> misinterpretations. >>>> >>>> Not sure what you mean by vendor and ecommerce website? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/9/11 3:23 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>> Hi Ruth, >>>>> >>>>> Yes ok, but now i am a little bit again confused. In fact there is not >>>>> so much difference between a vendor and a supplier then. >>>>> I didn't saw neither any interactive functionalities around a vendor >>>>> on the commerce website. Perhaps there is any interaction in the >>>>> accounting module ????? >>>>> Do you know that? >>>>> >>>>> Heidi >>>>> >>>>> 2011/12/9 Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >>>>>> Hi Heidi: >>>>>> Another way to look at this: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) The OFBiz data model has a table/entity named "VENDOR" but *NO >>>>>> *table/entity for a "SUPPLIER". (9.4 and 10.4) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>>>> >>>>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>> instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>>>> manufacturing, >>>>>> products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to run your >>>>>> business. >>>>>> When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) supplies you with >>>>>> something, they are acting in a role called a "SUPPLIER". >>>>>> >>>>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. >>>>>> It >>>>>> is >>>>>> as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/7/11 1:21 PM, Info Olagos wrote: >>>>>>> ok i understand it now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. Very interesting ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Heidi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011/12/7 Adrian Crum<[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>> A good example of a vendor role can be found in Amazon. Amazon sells >>>>>>>> products, but it also hosts other businesses that sell products >>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>> Amazon (eStores). Those other businesses selling products through >>>>>>>> Amazon >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> vendors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A supplier is someone who sells you goods or services. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/7/2011 4:32 PM, Bilgin Ibryam wrote: >>>>>>>>> It is already explained previously on the mailing list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=vendor%20vs%20supplier#query:vendor%20vs%20supplier+page:1+mid:m35q2s3rlogqhegh+state:results >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also updated the glossary >>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Glossary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bilgin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 December 2011 12:50, Info Olagos<[hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can anyone explain me what is the difference between a "vendor" >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> "supplier" in the catalog of ofbiz 09.04? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my language (Flemish) there is no difference between these two >>>>>>>>>> words. However in ofbiz it are two different items. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Heidi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Olagos bvba >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.eu >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.com >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.be >>>>>>>>>> http://www.olagos.nl >>>>>>>>>> Olagos team >>>>>>>>>> Heesterbos 5 >>>>>>>>>> 2570 Duffel >>>>>>>>>> Belgium >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> > > |
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Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi David: > Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some > responses. Please see below: > > On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >> >> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>> applications, you might observe that: >>> >>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to >>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>> "SUPPLIER". >>> >>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>> >>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >> order is sent to a Supplier. > A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running > OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you > name your accounts. >> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have >> multiple vendors selling through a single store. > Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to > express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz > e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. > > That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled > with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the > SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of > supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the > data model does not enforce this relationship. Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was discussed and decided on a long time ago. A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be confused. >> They are not really equivalent terms. > Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they > ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. > Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or > complex than it already is. There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need different words, and have them. Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and inconsistent, so this is understandable. I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. -David |
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Hey Dave. It is a little confusing, so I looked at Data Model
Resource Book to see if there is clarification. From what I can garner, a Vendor "sells" stuff (to you), and a Supplier "supplies" you with repetitive items, over and over. You may call your local light vendor and ask for 100 15w br30 CFL bulbs. You don't care about the make and models. The vendor looks at his OWN suppliers, and ends up shipping to you 100 sylvania 15w, model xyzzy, or a combination of equivalent items from various sources. That is a Vendor. He takes your order, looks at what suppliers HE has relationships with, and ships to you what you need. He's a middleman, and he may also use his own, unique part numbers for these items. (VendorProduct). A Supplier is more precise. He still takes your order, and sends to you ONLY what HE makes/manufactures/distributes. That's it. You know exactly what you need, you know the exact make, model, manufacturer, size and part number. He supplies the same exact part to you, over and over. (SupplierProduct) Is this closer, or am I way off. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David E Jones <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi David: >> Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some >> responses. Please see below: >> >> On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>> >>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to >>>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>>> "SUPPLIER". >>>> >>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>> >>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >>> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >>> order is sent to a Supplier. >> A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running >> OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you >> name your accounts. >>> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >>> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >>> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have >>> multiple vendors selling through a single store. >> Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to >> express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz >> e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. >> >> That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled >> with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the >> SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of >> supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the >> data model does not enforce this relationship. > > Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a > discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was > discussed and decided on a long time ago. > > A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells > stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an > affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. > > The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and > meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking > at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be > confused. > >>> They are not really equivalent terms. >> Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they >> ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. >> Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or >> complex than it already is. > > There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's > two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be > over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need > different words, and have them. > > Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder > people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is > admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and > inconsistent, so this is understandable. > > I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more > careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. > > -David |
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Hi David:
Of course there are two concepts here! Actually, there are more than two concepts at play. But I'm going to leave it at that and let the audience be the judge. As for "mis-information", come on now. This isn't misinformation...this is a clarification of something that was never clearly delineated in the first place...I suggest you sit back, take a "chill pill" or whatever you do to calm down, and once you are in a more magnanimous frame of mind, critically review the aforementioned glossary. At that point, I think you may be ready to address what is really on your mind: "no wonder people have so many issues with OFBiz....I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us." I'd be more than happy to spend time discoursing with you or anyone about the merits of OFBiz. My theory of the case: "David, people do not have so many issues with OFBiz. You do!" I'll leave you with this little gem: You'd be really amazed at what people are doing with OFBiz these days. Mis-information not withstanding. Best Regards, Ruth http://www.myofbiz.com BTW, I didn't ask On 12/9/11 9:31 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi David: >> Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some >> responses. Please see below: >> >> On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>> >>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to >>>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>>> "SUPPLIER". >>>> >>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>> >>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >>> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >>> order is sent to a Supplier. >> A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running >> OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you >> name your accounts. >>> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >>> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >>> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have >>> multiple vendors selling through a single store. >> Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to >> express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz >> e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. >> >> That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled >> with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the >> SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of >> supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the >> data model does not enforce this relationship. > Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a > discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was > discussed and decided on a long time ago. > > A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells > stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an > affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. > > The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and > meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking > at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be > confused. > >>> They are not really equivalent terms. >> Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they >> ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. >> Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or >> complex than it already is. > There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's > two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be > over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need > different words, and have them. > > Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder > people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is > admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and > inconsistent, so this is understandable. > > I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more > careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. > > -David > |
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Hi Mike:
I too looked at the Data Model book and would agree with your interpretation from the book. Since my opinions seem to inflame David to no end, I think I'll just stop trying to help out here and wish everyone best of luck in understanding how this all fits together. Should anyone care for more of my opinions on this or any matter concerning OFBiz (or the coming elections :-), please feel free to contact me via the myofbiz.com website. That is what it is there for...to spread OFBiz information - real or imaginary. Best Regards Ruth Hoffman [hidden email] On 12/10/11 12:59 AM, Mike wrote: > Hey Dave. It is a little confusing, so I looked at Data Model > Resource Book to see if there is clarification. From what I can > garner, a Vendor "sells" stuff (to you), and a Supplier "supplies" you > with repetitive items, over and over. > > You may call your local light vendor and ask for 100 15w br30 CFL > bulbs. You don't care about the make and models. The vendor looks at > his OWN suppliers, and ends up shipping to you 100 sylvania 15w, model > xyzzy, or a combination of equivalent items from various sources. > > That is a Vendor. He takes your order, looks at what suppliers HE has > relationships with, and ships to you what you need. He's a middleman, > and he may also use his own, unique part numbers for these items. > (VendorProduct). > > A Supplier is more precise. He still takes your order, and sends to > you ONLY what HE makes/manufactures/distributes. That's it. You know > exactly what you need, you know the exact make, model, manufacturer, > size and part number. He supplies the same exact part to you, over > and over. (SupplierProduct) > > Is this closer, or am I way off. > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David E Jones<[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>> Hi David: >>> Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some >>> responses. Please see below: >>> >>> On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>>> >>>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to >>>>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>>>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>>>> "SUPPLIER". >>>>> >>>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>>>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>>> >>>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>>> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >>>> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >>>> order is sent to a Supplier. >>> A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running >>> OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you >>> name your accounts. >>>> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >>>> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >>>> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have >>>> multiple vendors selling through a single store. >>> Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to >>> express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz >>> e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. >>> >>> That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled >>> with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the >>> SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of >>> supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the >>> data model does not enforce this relationship. >> Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a >> discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was >> discussed and decided on a long time ago. >> >> A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells >> stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an >> affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. >> >> The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and >> meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking >> at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be >> confused. >> >>>> They are not really equivalent terms. >>> Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they >>> ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. >>> Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or >>> complex than it already is. >> There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's >> two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be >> over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need >> different words, and have them. >> >> Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder >> people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is >> admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and >> inconsistent, so this is understandable. >> >> I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more >> careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. >> >> -David |
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Hi Ruth,
Just one more question. I have the Data Model book. But is the Data Model part 2 book also interesting for Ofbiz? thanks, Heidi 2011/12/10, Ruth Hoffman <[hidden email]>: > Hi Mike: > I too looked at the Data Model book and would agree with your > interpretation from the book. > > Since my opinions seem to inflame David to no end, I think I'll just > stop trying to help out here and wish everyone best of luck in > understanding how this all fits together. > > Should anyone care for more of my opinions on this or any matter > concerning OFBiz (or the coming elections :-), please feel free to > contact me via the myofbiz.com website. That is what it is there > for...to spread OFBiz information - real or imaginary. > > Best Regards > Ruth Hoffman > [hidden email] > > On 12/10/11 12:59 AM, Mike wrote: >> Hey Dave. It is a little confusing, so I looked at Data Model >> Resource Book to see if there is clarification. From what I can >> garner, a Vendor "sells" stuff (to you), and a Supplier "supplies" you >> with repetitive items, over and over. >> >> You may call your local light vendor and ask for 100 15w br30 CFL >> bulbs. You don't care about the make and models. The vendor looks at >> his OWN suppliers, and ends up shipping to you 100 sylvania 15w, model >> xyzzy, or a combination of equivalent items from various sources. >> >> That is a Vendor. He takes your order, looks at what suppliers HE has >> relationships with, and ships to you what you need. He's a middleman, >> and he may also use his own, unique part numbers for these items. >> (VendorProduct). >> >> A Supplier is more precise. He still takes your order, and sends to >> you ONLY what HE makes/manufactures/distributes. That's it. You know >> exactly what you need, you know the exact make, model, manufacturer, >> size and part number. He supplies the same exact part to you, over >> and over. (SupplierProduct) >> >> Is this closer, or am I way off. >> >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David E Jones<[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> Hi David: >>>> Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some >>>> responses. Please see below: >>>> >>>> On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>>>> >>>>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>>>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>>>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers >>>>>> to >>>>>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>>>>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>>>>> "SUPPLIER". >>>>>> >>>>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. >>>>>> It >>>>>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>>>> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >>>>> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >>>>> order is sent to a Supplier. >>>> A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running >>>> OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you >>>> name your accounts. >>>>> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >>>>> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >>>>> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also >>>>> have >>>>> multiple vendors selling through a single store. >>>> Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to >>>> express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz >>>> e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. >>>> >>>> That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled >>>> with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the >>>> SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of >>>> supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the >>>> data model does not enforce this relationship. >>> Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a >>> discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was >>> discussed and decided on a long time ago. >>> >>> A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells >>> stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an >>> affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. >>> >>> The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and >>> meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking >>> at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be >>> confused. >>> >>>>> They are not really equivalent terms. >>>> Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they >>>> ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. >>>> Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or >>>> complex than it already is. >>> There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's >>> two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be >>> over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need >>> different words, and have them. >>> >>> Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder >>> people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is >>> admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and >>> inconsistent, so this is understandable. >>> >>> I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more >>> careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. >>> >>> -David > -- Olagos bvba http://www.olagos.eu <http://www.olagos.eu/> http://www.olagos.com http://www.olagos.be http://www.olagos.nl Olagos team Heesterbos 5 2570 Duffel Belgium |
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Hi Heidi:
Yeah. I would highly recommend the 2nd volume. Among other things, it discusses manufacturing and telecom (which I was involved with for a while) data modeling. There is also a 3rd volume which is pretty interesting - but I lent that to someone - so I can't tell you right now what is in it. Regards, Ruth On 12/10/11 8:40 AM, Info Olagos wrote: > Hi Ruth, > > Just one more question. > > I have the Data Model book. But is the Data Model part 2 book also > interesting for Ofbiz? > > thanks, > Heidi > > 2011/12/10, Ruth Hoffman<[hidden email]>: >> Hi Mike: >> I too looked at the Data Model book and would agree with your >> interpretation from the book. >> >> Since my opinions seem to inflame David to no end, I think I'll just >> stop trying to help out here and wish everyone best of luck in >> understanding how this all fits together. >> >> Should anyone care for more of my opinions on this or any matter >> concerning OFBiz (or the coming elections :-), please feel free to >> contact me via the myofbiz.com website. That is what it is there >> for...to spread OFBiz information - real or imaginary. >> >> Best Regards >> Ruth Hoffman >> [hidden email] >> >> On 12/10/11 12:59 AM, Mike wrote: >>> Hey Dave. It is a little confusing, so I looked at Data Model >>> Resource Book to see if there is clarification. From what I can >>> garner, a Vendor "sells" stuff (to you), and a Supplier "supplies" you >>> with repetitive items, over and over. >>> >>> You may call your local light vendor and ask for 100 15w br30 CFL >>> bulbs. You don't care about the make and models. The vendor looks at >>> his OWN suppliers, and ends up shipping to you 100 sylvania 15w, model >>> xyzzy, or a combination of equivalent items from various sources. >>> >>> That is a Vendor. He takes your order, looks at what suppliers HE has >>> relationships with, and ships to you what you need. He's a middleman, >>> and he may also use his own, unique part numbers for these items. >>> (VendorProduct). >>> >>> A Supplier is more precise. He still takes your order, and sends to >>> you ONLY what HE makes/manufactures/distributes. That's it. You know >>> exactly what you need, you know the exact make, model, manufacturer, >>> size and part number. He supplies the same exact part to you, over >>> and over. (SupplierProduct) >>> >>> Is this closer, or am I way off. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David E Jones<[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> Hi David: >>>>> Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some >>>>> responses. Please see below: >>>>> >>>>> On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>>>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>>>>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>>>>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>>>>>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>>>>>> "SUPPLIER". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>>>>> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >>>>>> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >>>>>> order is sent to a Supplier. >>>>> A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running >>>>> OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you >>>>> name your accounts. >>>>>> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >>>>>> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >>>>>> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also >>>>>> have >>>>>> multiple vendors selling through a single store. >>>>> Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to >>>>> express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz >>>>> e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. >>>>> >>>>> That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled >>>>> with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the >>>>> SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of >>>>> supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the >>>>> data model does not enforce this relationship. >>>> Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a >>>> discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was >>>> discussed and decided on a long time ago. >>>> >>>> A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells >>>> stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an >>>> affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. >>>> >>>> The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and >>>> meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking >>>> at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be >>>> confused. >>>> >>>>>> They are not really equivalent terms. >>>>> Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they >>>>> ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. >>>>> Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or >>>>> complex than it already is. >>>> There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's >>>> two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be >>>> over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need >>>> different words, and have them. >>>> >>>> Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder >>>> people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is >>>> admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and >>>> inconsistent, so this is understandable. >>>> >>>> I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more >>>> careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. >>>> >>>> -David > |
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I remember my first confusion when I first started.
I agree that from a ofbiz data model book that Vendor is selling what the ofbiz company produces. and that Supplier has been defined as those that sell to the ofbiz company. However in the manufacturing world I grew up a Vendor was someone that warehoused someone else products top be sold to the ofbiz company and a supplier was a company the made a product to sell to the ofbiz company. To remedy this I made a different set of Widget/controller/code that deal from a user perspective. I do all the interpretation of the OOTB and display it the way the ofbiz company will use them. I have had to do this for each industry/ofbiz company customer I have had. David E Jones sent the following on 12/9/2011 6:31 PM: > > > Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi David: >> Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some >> responses. Please see below: >> >> On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>> >>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz >>>> applications, you might observe that: >>>> >>>> A vendor "supplies" goods or services to the Company of record for the >>>> OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for >>>> manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to >>>> run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table) >>>> supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a >>>> "SUPPLIER". >>>> >>>> So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It >>>> is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-) >>>> >>>> Anyone care to comment on my interpretation? >>> Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running >>> OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase >>> order is sent to a Supplier. >> A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running >> OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you >> name your accounts. >>> The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any >>> Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in >>> your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have >>> multiple vendors selling through a single store. >> Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to >> express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz >> e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products. >> >> That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled >> with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the >> SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of >> supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the >> data model does not enforce this relationship. > > Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a > discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was > discussed and decided on a long time ago. > > A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells > stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an > affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing. > > The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and > meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking > at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be > confused. > >>> They are not really equivalent terms. >> Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they >> ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier. >> Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or >> complex than it already is. > > There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's > two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be > over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need > different words, and have them. > > Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder > people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is > admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and > inconsistent, so this is understandable. > > I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more > careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us. > > -David > |
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