working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
structures.

When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,

<Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
...
<PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>

If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:

component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java

From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
behaviour of the pos and webpos components.

Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?

If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.

Many thanks,

Chris

[chris snow]

A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
missing something?

$ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:    <PartyRole
partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:    <PartyRole
partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:    <RoleType
description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
<Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:    <PartyRole
partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
<WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
<WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
inheritPriority="Y"/>
specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:    <PartyRole
partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
> structures.
>
> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>
> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
> ...
> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>
> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>
> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>
> From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>
> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>
> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Chris
>

[BJ Freeman]

the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles
you can have is BUYER.
these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.


chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:

> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
> missing something?
>
> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
> inheritPriority="Y"/>
> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
>> structures.
>>
>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>>
>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
>> ...
>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>>
>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>>
>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>>
>>  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>>
>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>>
>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

[chris snow]

This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:

- I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?

I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
 For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
intention.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
> it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
> The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles you
> can have is BUYER.
> these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.
>
>
> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:
>>
>> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
>> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
>> missing something?
>>
>> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
>> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
>> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
>> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
>> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
>> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
>> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
>> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
>> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
>> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
>> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
>> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
>> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
>> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
>> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
>> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
>> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
>> inheritPriority="Y"/>
>> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
>> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
>>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
>>> structures.
>>>
>>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
>>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>>>
>>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
>>> ...
>>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>>>
>>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
>>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>>>
>>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
>>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>>>
>>>  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
>>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>>>
>>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
>>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
>>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>>>
>>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
>>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
>>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>
>

[BJ Freeman]

MANAGER is generic and for small company enough
you want more granuallity meand you create a
MANAGER_PACKING
Then implement it in the Facilities code and screens
then remove the MANAGER from your party and add your MANAGER_PACKING
you can also add TEAM_PACKING, for Those working in Packing.

=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man


chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:07 PM:

> This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:
>
> - I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?
>
> I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
>   For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
> my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
> PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
> MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
> my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
> intention.
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
>> it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
>> The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles you
>> can have is BUYER.
>> these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.
>>
>>
>> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:
>>>
>>> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
>>> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
>>> missing something?
>>>
>>> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
>>> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
>>> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
>>> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
>>> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
>>> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
>>> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
>>> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
>>> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
>>> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
>>> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
>>> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
>>> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
>>> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
>>> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
>>> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
>>> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
>>> inheritPriority="Y"/>
>>> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
>>> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
>>>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
>>>> structures.
>>>>
>>>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
>>>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>>>>
>>>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
>>>> ...
>>>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>>>>
>>>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
>>>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>>>>
>>>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
>>>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>>>>
>>>>   From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
>>>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>>>>
>>>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
>>>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
>>>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>>>>
>>>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
>>>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
>>>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[jonatan soto]

I've have had the same confusion and I finally believe that some of them are
used in the OOTB business logic (ie: BILL_FROM_VENDOR for Purchase Invoices)
and others are intended for custom customization. Don't know if I am
right....

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:07 PM, chris snow <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:
>
> - I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?
>
> I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
>  For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
> my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
> PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
> MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
> my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
> intention.
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
> > it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
> > The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles
> you
> > can have is BUYER.
> > these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.
> >
> >
> > chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:
> >>
> >> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
> >> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
> >> missing something?
> >>
> >> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
> >> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
> >> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> >> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
> >> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> >> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
> >> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
> >> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> >> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
> >> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
> >> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
> >> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> >> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
> >> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
> >> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
> >> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
> >> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
> >> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
> >> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
> >> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
> >> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
> >> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
> >> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
> >> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
> >> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
> >> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
> >> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
> >> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
> >> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
> >> inheritPriority="Y"/>
> >> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
> >> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
> >>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
> >>> structures.
> >>>
> >>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
> >>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
> >>>
> >>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
> >>> ...
> >>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
> >>>
> >>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
> >>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
> >>>
> >>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
> >>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
> >>>
> >>>  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
> >>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
> >>>
> >>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
> >>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
> >>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
> >>>
> >>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
> >>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
> >>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

--
-----

Jonatan Soto

[jonatan soto]

sorry, I meant own customization

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:16 PM, BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> MANAGER is generic and for small company enough
> you want more granuallity meand you create a
> MANAGER_PACKING
> Then implement it in the Facilities code and screens
> then remove the MANAGER from your party and add your MANAGER_PACKING
> you can also add TEAM_PACKING, for Those working in Packing.
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <
> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:07 PM:
>
>  This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:
>>
>> - I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?
>>
>> I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
>>  For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
>> my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
>> PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
>> MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
>> my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
>> intention.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
>>> it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
>>> The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles
>>> you
>>> can have is BUYER.
>>> these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.
>>>
>>>
>>> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
>>>> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
>>>> missing something?
>>>>
>>>> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
>>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
>>>> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
>>>> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
>>>> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
>>>> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>>> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
>>>> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
>>>> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
>>>> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
>>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>>> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
>>>> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
>>>> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
>>>> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
>>>> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
>>>> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
>>>> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
>>>> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
>>>> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
>>>> inheritPriority="Y"/>
>>>> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
>>>>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
>>>>> structures.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
>>>>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>>>>>
>>>>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
>>>>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>>>>>
>>>>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
>>>>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>>>>>
>>>>>  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
>>>>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>>>>>
>>>>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
>>>>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
>>>>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
>>>>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
>>>>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

--
-----

Jonatan Soto

[chris snow]

BJ, there are a quite a few pre-defined roles in PartyTypeData how
will I know when to use one of the pre-defined RoleTypes and when to
create my own, unless I know exactly what the pre-defined roles do?

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, BJ Freeman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> MANAGER is generic and for small company enough
> you want more granuallity meand you create a
> MANAGER_PACKING
> Then implement it in the Facilities code and screens
> then remove the MANAGER from your party and add your MANAGER_PACKING
> you can also add TEAM_PACKING, for Those working in Packing.
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:07 PM:
>>
>> This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:
>>
>> - I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?
>>
>> I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
>>  For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
>> my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
>> PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
>> MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
>> my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
>> intention.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
>>> it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
>>> The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles
>>> you
>>> can have is BUYER.
>>> these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.
>>>
>>>
>>> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:
>>>>
>>>> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
>>>> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
>>>> missing something?
>>>>
>>>> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
>>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
>>>> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
>>>> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
>>>> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
>>>> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>>> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
>>>> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
>>>> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
>>>> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
>>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>>> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
>>>> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
>>>> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
>>>> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
>>>> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
>>>> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
>>>> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
>>>> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
>>>> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
>>>> inheritPriority="Y"/>
>>>> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
>>>>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
>>>>> structures.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
>>>>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>>>>>
>>>>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
>>>>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>>>>>
>>>>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
>>>>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>>>>>
>>>>>  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
>>>>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>>>>>
>>>>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
>>>>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
>>>>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
>>>>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
>>>>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[chris snow]

Hi Jonatan, I think all we need is a list of the pre-defined RoleTypes
and what the impact of each RoleType has on ofbiz.

It's impossible to choose a role type without having that list!

I'm happy to create the list - I just want to make sure I'm looking in
the right place for the information when I'm trying to find out what
each RoleType 'does'.

[BJ Freeman]

Like I said most are defined and explained in the Datamodel book.
I do admit that an artifact in webtools, like the entity and services
that shows the roles and all uses(services, widget, ftl) would make it
better.
so other than the book, doing searches is the only other way, currently.

=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com  <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man


chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:22 PM:

> BJ, there are a quite a few pre-defined roles in PartyTypeData how
> will I know when to use one of the pre-defined RoleTypes and when to
> create my own, unless I know exactly what the pre-defined roles do?
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, BJ Freeman<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> MANAGER is generic and for small company enough
>> you want more granuallity meand you create a
>> MANAGER_PACKING
>> Then implement it in the Facilities code and screens
>> then remove the MANAGER from your party and add your MANAGER_PACKING
>> you can also add TEAM_PACKING, for Those working in Packing.
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>   <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:07 PM:
>>>
>>> This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:
>>>
>>> - I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?
>>>
>>> I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
>>>   For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
>>> my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
>>> PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
>>> MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
>>> my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
>>> intention.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman<[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
>>>> it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
>>>> The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles
>>>> you
>>>> can have is BUYER.
>>>> these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>> A text search on the "BUYER" role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
>>>>> actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
>>>>> missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> $ grep -r '"BUYER"' *
>>>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>>> partyId="admin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>> applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>>> partyId="bizadmin" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>> applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:<RoleType
>>>>> description="Buyer" hasTable="N" parentTypeId="EMPLOYEE"
>>>>> roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>> applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
>>>>> <Participant Id="BUYER" Name="Purchase Order Approval Role">
>>>>> applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:<PartyRole
>>>>> partyId="AcctBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>>>> <WorkflowParticipant packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="_NA_" processVersion="_NA_"
>>>>> participantId="BUYER" participantName="Purchase Order Approval Role"
>>>>> description="Reviews and approves/rejects orders"
>>>>> participantTypeId="ROLE"/>
>>>>> specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
>>>>> <WorkflowActivity packageId="org.ofbiz.order"
>>>>> packageVersion="20030730144901" processId="ProcessOrder"
>>>>> processVersion="20030730144901" activityId="approvePurchaseOrder"
>>>>> objectName="Approve Purchase Order #${orderId}" objectPriority="5"
>>>>> timeLimit="12.0" startModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL"
>>>>> finishModeEnumId="WAM_MANUAL" performerParticipantId="BUYER"
>>>>> activityTypeEnumId="WAT_NO" canStart="N" joinTypeEnumId="WJT_XOR"
>>>>> splitTypeEnumId="WST_XOR" acceptAllAssignments="N"
>>>>> completeAllAssignments="N" limitService="sendProcessNotification"
>>>>> limitAfterStart="N" delegateAfterStart="Y" restartOnDelegate="N"
>>>>> inheritPriority="Y"/>
>>>>> specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:<PartyRole
>>>>> partyId="DemoBuyer" roleTypeId="BUYER"/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow<[hidden email]>
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
>>>>>> new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
>>>>>> structures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
>>>>>> on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Party partyId="admin" partyTypeId="PERSON"/>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> <PartyRole partyId="admin" roleTypeId="MANAGER"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for "MANAGER", I can
>>>>>> see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
>>>>>> component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
>>>>>> behaviour of the pos and webpos components.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
>>>>>> consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
>>>>>> RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
>>>>>> and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
>>>>>> effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[BJ Freeman]

I agree Chris look forward to you code, will be added to setup when it
gets there.

chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:28 PM:
> Hi Jonatan, I think all we need is a list of the pre-defined RoleTypes
> and what the impact of each RoleType has on ofbiz.
>
> It's impossible to choose a role type without having that list!
>
> I'm happy to create the list - I just want to make sure I'm looking in
> the right place for the information when I'm trying to find out what
> each RoleType 'does'.
>

[chris snow]

Hi BJ, I'm not sure the datamodel book has been followed 100%, so I
think the safest way to work out the intention of each RoleType is to
search through the code and document my findings.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

[chris snow]

Hi BJ/Jonatan,

I have created an jira issue to discuss the documentation for
RoleType: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3949

Attached are some example Descriptions for RoleType - is there any
additional information that would be useful?  Does the format make
sense, is it readable?

Many thanks,

Chris