A point in the right direction

[Shane F. MacIntyre]

I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is active.

I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"

Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it differently?

[Shi Jinghai-3]

Hi Shane,

Basically your requirement is a government ERP.

There are 2 types of jobs in your description: routine job and project job.

The workloads of routine jobs can be predefined and approved automatically. Every fiscal year or so you can adjust the settings of workloads.

The project jobs can be budget based funded. The daily workloads can be filled in by its members ("The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so") and verified/approved by project managers.

It would be better if you have an OFBiz workflow plugin (i.e. Activiti [1]) to run routine jobs.

Kind Regards,

Shi Jinghai

[1] https://www.activiti.org/


-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Shane F. MacIntyre [mailto:[hidden email]]
发送时间: 2018年11月8日 2:33
收件人: [hidden email]
主题: A point in the right direction

I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is active.

I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"

Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it differently?

[Julien NICOLAS]

Hi Shane,

I prefer to create a new component to fit my specifications instead of
modifying the ootb component.

Why ? Because if you modify the ootb component, it will be harder to
upgrade the OFBiz version. You'll probably have some source code
conflict and each time you'll want to upgrade OFBiz, you'll have to
manage it.

By creating a new plugin, you avoid this kind of problem. You can just
create a new plugin that the controller include the Project controller,
copy the screen.xml and you have another Project component. Identical.

When you implement specificities, you can replace screens and forms
without modifying ootb component. And you can also use all ootb Project
services, screen, form, etc. already done for your business.

This is the way I prefer to do ;)

HTH

Julien.

Le 07/11/2018 à 19:33, Shane F. MacIntyre a écrit :
> I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
> In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is active.
>
> I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"
>
> Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it differently?
>
>

[Pierre Smits-3]

Hi Shane,

Thank you for exploring and using OFbiz as your business solution, and
welcome to the project!

The project component might be quite suitable to facilitate the processes
in your organisation. However, I can image that the workload of your
organisation consists of 'cases', and therefore a 'case' would be the
project (and thus the case ID the projectId), and all the parties involved
(included the defendant) would be associated to that project or case.
Moving forward from there, the case workers (as you listed, and associated
to the case/project) could add documents (and time-entries, if that is
required) to the project.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
*Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
*Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer


On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 7:33 PM Shane F. MacIntyre <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new
> regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated
> that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
> In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a
> defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel
> within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator
> would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney
> for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with
> different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the
> time that the case is active.
>
> I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb
> components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding
> the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to
> implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a
> good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add
> attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator
> could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"
>
> Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it
> differently?
>
>

[Shi Jinghai-3]

Hi Shane,

Basically your requirement is a government ERP.

There are 2 types of jobs in your description: routine job and project job.

The workloads of routine jobs can be predefined and approved automatically. Every fiscal year or so you can adjust the settings of workloads.

The project jobs can be budget based funded. The daily workloads can be filled in by its members ("The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so") and verified/approved by project managers.

It would be better if you have an OFBiz workflow plugin (i.e. Activiti [1]) to run routine jobs.

Kind Regards,

Shi Jinghai

[1] https://www.activiti.org/


PS: this is resent as my first reply seems lost somewhere. :)


-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Shane F. MacIntyre [mailto:[hidden email]]
发送时间: 2018年11月8日 2:33
收件人: [hidden email]
主题: A point in the right direction

I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is active.

I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"

Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it differently?

[shijh]

Hi Shane,

Basically your requirement is a government ERP.

There are 2 types of jobs in your description: routine job("Initial
Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc") and project job.

The workloads of routine jobs can be predefined and approved automatically.
Every fiscal year or so you can adjust the settings of workloads.

The project jobs can be budget based funded. The daily workloads can be
filled in by its members ("The attorney would then have to provide counsel
within 36 hours and report back that they had done so") and
verified/approved by project managers.

It would be better if you have an OFBiz workflow plugin (i.e. Activiti [1]
and etc.) to run routine jobs.

Kind Regards,

Shi Jinghai

[1] https://www.activiti.org/


PS: the 3rd try of sending this email to ofbiz-user mail list, what happens?



-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Shane F. MacIntyre [mailto:[hidden email]]
发送时间: 2018年11月8日 2:33
收件人: [hidden email]
主题: A point in the right direction

I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new
regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated
that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant
to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36
hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able
to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel.
The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/
probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is
active.

I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb
components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding
the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to
implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a
good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add
attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator
could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"

Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it
differently?

[Julien NICOLAS]

Hi Shane,

I prefer to create a new component to fit my specifications instead of
modifying the ootb component.

Why ? Because if you modify the ootb component, it will be harder to
upgrade the OFBiz version. You'll probably have some source code
conflict and each time you'll want to upgrade OFBiz, you'll have to
manage it.

By creating a new plugin, you avoid this kind of problem. You can just
create a new plugin that the controller include the Project controller,
copy the screen.xml and you have another Project component. Identical.

When you implement specificities, you can replace screens and forms
without modifying ootb component. And you can also use all ootb Project
services, screen, form, etc. already done for your business.

This is the way I prefer to do

HTH

Julien.

Le 07/11/2018 à 19:33, Shane F. MacIntyre a écrit :
> I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
> In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is active.
>
> I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"
>
> Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it differently?
>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:03 AM Shane F. MacIntyre <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new
> regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated
> that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
> In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a
> defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel
> within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator
> would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney
> for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with
> different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the
> time that the case is active.
>
> I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb
> components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding
> the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to
> implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a
> good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add
> attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator
> could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"
>
> Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it
> differently?
>
>

Hi Shane,

I think that you are on the right track if you are planning to study how
data is setup by the Project component; I would also consider the "Work
Effort" component and the "Scrum" components as they all use the
"WorkEffort" data model to implement different ways to define/manage/track
tasks execution.
I doubt that any of the above components will fit all your requirements but
reviewing them will lower your learning curve; you may also want to read
some chapters of "The Data Model Resource Book vol 1" by Len Silverstone
because it describes the main concepts that have been integrated in the
OFBiz data model.

As Julian as suggested, I would then create a custom component (that may
extend and reuse any of the artifacts from other components) to build the
ui and processes that are peculiar to your organization.

Kind regards,

Jacopo

[Shane F. MacIntyre]

Hi Julien,
I've created a plugin, and included the project controller in my plug in's controller.xml :
        <include location="component://secialpurpose/projectmgr/webapp/projectmgr/WEB-INF/controller.xml"/>

Do I need to include the project enitymodel in my plug in's enitymodel.xml?

TIA

Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: Julien NICOLAS <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: A point in the right direction

Hi Shane,

I prefer to create a new component to fit my specifications instead of modifying the ootb component.

Why ? Because if you modify the ootb component, it will be harder to upgrade the OFBiz version. You'll probably have some source code conflict and each time you'll want to upgrade OFBiz, you'll have to manage it.

By creating a new plugin, you avoid this kind of problem. You can just create a new plugin that the controller include the Project controller, copy the screen.xml and you have another Project component. Identical.

When you implement specificities, you can replace screens and forms without modifying ootb component. And you can also use all ootb Project services, screen, form, etc. already done for your business.

This is the way I prefer to do

HTH

Julien.

Le 07/11/2018 à 19:33, Shane F. MacIntyre a écrit :
> I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
> In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the time that the case is active.
>
> I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"
>
> Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at it differently?
>
>

[Pierre Smits-3]

Hi Shane,

You only need to include entities in the entitymodel.xml of the new
component (plugin) when:

   1. you create a new entity, or
   2. you enhance (extend) an  existing entity with new fields and/or
   relations.

If you're not going to have the project component in your implementation
you should copy the project specific entities into the entitymodel.xml of
your component.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
*Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
*Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer


On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 3:51 PM Shane F. MacIntyre <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Julien,
> I've created a plugin, and included the project controller in my plug in's
> controller.xml :
>         <include
> location="component://secialpurpose/projectmgr/webapp/projectmgr/WEB-INF/controller.xml"/>
>
> Do I need to include the project enitymodel in my plug in's enitymodel.xml?
>
> TIA
>
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julien NICOLAS <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:18 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: A point in the right direction
>
> Hi Shane,
>
> I prefer to create a new component to fit my specifications instead of
> modifying the ootb component.
>
> Why ? Because if you modify the ootb component, it will be harder to
> upgrade the OFBiz version. You'll probably have some source code conflict
> and each time you'll want to upgrade OFBiz, you'll have to manage it.
>
> By creating a new plugin, you avoid this kind of problem. You can just
> create a new plugin that the controller include the Project controller,
> copy the screen.xml and you have another Project component. Identical.
>
> When you implement specificities, you can replace screens and forms
> without modifying ootb component. And you can also use all ootb Project
> services, screen, form, etc. already done for your business.
>
> This is the way I prefer to do
>
> HTH
>
> Julien.
>
> Le 07/11/2018 à 19:33, Shane F. MacIntyre a écrit :
> > I started looking into ofbiz because I need to create a solution for a
> new regulation we have at work. We are a courthouse and the state has
> mandated that we provide representation for individuals on a daily basis.
> > In a nutshell, I need to have a system where a clerk can assign a
> defendant to an attorney. The attorney would then have to provide counsel
> within 36 hours and report back that they had done so. An administrator
> would be able to oversee the process and verify it. Then pay the attorney
> for the counsel. The defendant might have multiple consultations with
> different attorneys/ probation officers/ drug testing facilities over the
> time that the case is active.
> >
> > I've played around with ofbiz, adding data  using the various ootb
> components and I've tried the getting started tutorial, successfully adding
> the ofbiz demo plugin. That went fine. Now I am trying to figure out how to
> implement a solution. I am thinking that the Project component would be a
> good place to start because I can make a "Defendant"  project and add
> attorney / probation officer / reviewer resources, then an administrator
> could create phases like "Initial Counsultation, Drug Testing, etc"
> >
> > Does this sound like I am on the right track? Or should I be looking at
> it differently?
> >
> >
>