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John Liston
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David E. Jones

This is an interesting document. It will be interesting to see the  
more final version, and the various documents and such that are based  
on it.

For those interested in general concepts behind an SOA this is a  
great resource as it opens the definition beyond the unfortunately  
often limited definition based on the web services world and provides  
some useful concepts.

One of the more interesting ones, and one that we are pushing in  
OFBiz, is what they liken to "delegation" in a company, and that is  
(unless I'm misunderstanding it...) what I (and others, I didn't make  
it up or anything) usually call the aggregation pattern. This is an  
alternative to object oriented patterns that have other ways of  
building up more complex logic.

In general the comparison between service oriented and object  
oriented architectures is interesting. Defining a service as  
accomplishing a business goal and including the definition of data  
and other things related to that is a good way to put it. In other  
words, it is more goal or action oriented than "object" oriented. In  
other words rather than being good at modeling things, it is good at  
getting business things done...

-David


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David E. Jones
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One thing I forgot to mention...

They hint at possibilities for orchestrating services, but I didn't  
see anything that was really similar to the Service ECA stuff that we  
use. It would be interesting to see more detail in this area...

-David


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Si Chen-2
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David,

I think your comment about "modeling things [versus] getting business
things done" is very apt.  Object oriented is good at modeling things,
and in many cases better than the relational model.  However, the
essence of business, and therefore business applications by extension,
is getting things done.  In that case I do agree with you (and I guess
Oracle and SAP as well) that the SOA is the right way to go.

Si

David E. Jones wrote:

>This is an interesting document. It will be interesting to see the  
>more final version, and the various documents and such that are based  
>on it.
>
>For those interested in general concepts behind an SOA this is a  
>great resource as it opens the definition beyond the unfortunately  
>often limited definition based on the web services world and provides  
>some useful concepts.
>
>One of the more interesting ones, and one that we are pushing in  
>OFBiz, is what they liken to "delegation" in a company, and that is  
>(unless I'm misunderstanding it...) what I (and others, I didn't make  
>it up or anything) usually call the aggregation pattern. This is an  
>alternative to object oriented patterns that have other ways of  
>building up more complex logic.
>
>In general the comparison between service oriented and object  
>oriented architectures is interesting. Defining a service as  
>accomplishing a business goal and including the definition of data  
>and other things related to that is a good way to put it. In other  
>words, it is more goal or action oriented than "object" oriented. In  
>other words rather than being good at modeling things, it is good at  
>getting business things done...
>
>-David
>
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