Don't want to press my luck, but I've got another suggestion or 2 :-)

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi All:
The new OFBiz 9.x (from the packaged distribution) main storefront page
- center column - doesn't resize gracefully - at least not with FireFox
3.0.10. Content from the center column overwrites right column text even
when I resize my browser window almost as wide as it goes. Not to offend
anyone but - It looks really sloppy.

Other observations that make it look not too professional:

    The top rule just below the Featured products (BTW, the "P" should
be capitalized) is longer than the other rules separating each line.
    The graphics are not centered above the descriptive text
    No page counters - even if there is only 1 page,  I believe you
should tell people that there is only 1 page of products. (Plus, you
want to showcase the fact that the software is pagination for you. This
is a selling point!)
    When you select "Gift Cards" under Browse Categories - there are
some empty lines in the list (between "Gift Cards Reload" and "Gift
Cards Purchase") Same is true of "Widgets" and "Gizmos"

Again, not to insult since I know how hard it is to get the CSS right -
but IMHO it is better to have something "safe" like the 4.x center
column layout where you can be assured that each item will fit on a
separate line and that the center column resizes gracefully (to a point
:-) than this. Especially when you are trying to get people to try it out.

Thanks for listening.
Ruth

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi All:
Need to clarify - not sure if this is the 9.x code I'm looking at. It is
the "ofbiz-trunk" as downloaded last night from the Apache website. The
prepackaged code.
Ruth
Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi All:
> The new OFBiz 9.x (from the packaged distribution) main storefront
> page - center column - doesn't resize gracefully - at least not with
> FireFox 3.0.10. Content from the center column overwrites right column
> text even when I resize my browser window almost as wide as it goes.
> Not to offend anyone but - It looks really sloppy.
>
> Other observations that make it look not too professional:
>
>    The top rule just below the Featured products (BTW, the "P" should
> be capitalized) is longer than the other rules separating each line.
>    The graphics are not centered above the descriptive text
>    No page counters - even if there is only 1 page,  I believe you
> should tell people that there is only 1 page of products. (Plus, you
> want to showcase the fact that the software is pagination for you.
> This is a selling point!)
>    When you select "Gift Cards" under Browse Categories - there are
> some empty lines in the list (between "Gift Cards Reload" and "Gift
> Cards Purchase") Same is true of "Widgets" and "Gizmos"
>
> Again, not to insult since I know how hard it is to get the CSS right
> - but IMHO it is better to have something "safe" like the 4.x center
> column layout where you can be assured that each item will fit on a
> separate line and that the center column resizes gracefully (to a
> point :-) than this. Especially when you are trying to get people to
> try it out.
>
> Thanks for listening.
> Ruth
>

[BJ Freeman]

Ruth appreciate the input, css is tricky across all browsers.
especially since Microsoft likes to use non standard features in their
browser.
I use ff 1.5 and I am not having the problems you show.
here is what I use to test for all browsers, since not everyone even
uses FF.
http://browsershots.org/
Also the CSS went through a major change when we converted to themes.
and of course the lack of manpower to test and fix.

Thanks for you list.


Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 6/11/2009 10:35 AM:

> Hi All:
> The new OFBiz 9.x (from the packaged distribution) main storefront page
> - center column - doesn't resize gracefully - at least not with FireFox
> 3.0.10. Content from the center column overwrites right column text even
> when I resize my browser window almost as wide as it goes. Not to offend
> anyone but - It looks really sloppy.
>
> Other observations that make it look not too professional:
>
>    The top rule just below the Featured products (BTW, the "P" should be
> capitalized) is longer than the other rules separating each line.
>    The graphics are not centered above the descriptive text
>    No page counters - even if there is only 1 page,  I believe you
> should tell people that there is only 1 page of products. (Plus, you
> want to showcase the fact that the software is pagination for you. This
> is a selling point!)
>    When you select "Gift Cards" under Browse Categories - there are some
> empty lines in the list (between "Gift Cards Reload" and "Gift Cards
> Purchase") Same is true of "Widgets" and "Gizmos"
>
> Again, not to insult since I know how hard it is to get the CSS right -
> but IMHO it is better to have something "safe" like the 4.x center
> column layout where you can be assured that each item will fit on a
> separate line and that the center column resizes gracefully (to a point
> :-) than this. Especially when you are trying to get people to try it out.
>
> Thanks for listening.
> Ruth
>

--
BJ Freeman
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
Systems Integrator.

[Ruth Hoffman-2]

Hi BJ:
I understand. Maybe I can take a look at it later today - or this week -
and see if I can recommend some fixes. That is if you guys are interested.
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:

> Ruth appreciate the input, css is tricky across all browsers.
> especially since Microsoft likes to use non standard features in their
> browser.
> I use ff 1.5 and I am not having the problems you show.
> here is what I use to test for all browsers, since not everyone even
> uses FF.
> http://browsershots.org/
> Also the CSS went through a major change when we converted to themes.
> and of course the lack of manpower to test and fix.
>
> Thanks for you list.
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 6/11/2009 10:35 AM:
>  
>> Hi All:
>> The new OFBiz 9.x (from the packaged distribution) main storefront page
>> - center column - doesn't resize gracefully - at least not with FireFox
>> 3.0.10. Content from the center column overwrites right column text even
>> when I resize my browser window almost as wide as it goes. Not to offend
>> anyone but - It looks really sloppy.
>>
>> Other observations that make it look not too professional:
>>
>>    The top rule just below the Featured products (BTW, the "P" should be
>> capitalized) is longer than the other rules separating each line.
>>    The graphics are not centered above the descriptive text
>>    No page counters - even if there is only 1 page,  I believe you
>> should tell people that there is only 1 page of products. (Plus, you
>> want to showcase the fact that the software is pagination for you. This
>> is a selling point!)
>>    When you select "Gift Cards" under Browse Categories - there are some
>> empty lines in the list (between "Gift Cards Reload" and "Gift Cards
>> Purchase") Same is true of "Widgets" and "Gizmos"
>>
>> Again, not to insult since I know how hard it is to get the CSS right -
>> but IMHO it is better to have something "safe" like the 4.x center
>> column layout where you can be assured that each item will fit on a
>> separate line and that the center column resizes gracefully (to a point
>> :-) than this. Especially when you are trying to get people to try it out.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>> Ruth
>>
>>    
>
>  

[BJ Freeman]

Sure just open a jira and put it in there. that way it is sure to get
some attention and can be tracked.
:D



Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 6/11/2009 11:01 AM:

> Hi BJ:
> I understand. Maybe I can take a look at it later today - or this week -
> and see if I can recommend some fixes. That is if you guys are interested.
> Ruth
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> Ruth appreciate the input, css is tricky across all browsers.
>> especially since Microsoft likes to use non standard features in their
>> browser.
>> I use ff 1.5 and I am not having the problems you show.
>> here is what I use to test for all browsers, since not everyone even
>> uses FF.
>> http://browsershots.org/
>> Also the CSS went through a major change when we converted to themes.
>> and of course the lack of manpower to test and fix.
>>
>> Thanks for you list.
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 6/11/2009 10:35 AM:
>>  
>>> Hi All:
>>> The new OFBiz 9.x (from the packaged distribution) main storefront page
>>> - center column - doesn't resize gracefully - at least not with FireFox
>>> 3.0.10. Content from the center column overwrites right column text even
>>> when I resize my browser window almost as wide as it goes. Not to offend
>>> anyone but - It looks really sloppy.
>>>
>>> Other observations that make it look not too professional:
>>>
>>>    The top rule just below the Featured products (BTW, the "P" should be
>>> capitalized) is longer than the other rules separating each line.
>>>    The graphics are not centered above the descriptive text
>>>    No page counters - even if there is only 1 page,  I believe you
>>> should tell people that there is only 1 page of products. (Plus, you
>>> want to showcase the fact that the software is pagination for you. This
>>> is a selling point!)
>>>    When you select "Gift Cards" under Browse Categories - there are some
>>> empty lines in the list (between "Gift Cards Reload" and "Gift Cards
>>> Purchase") Same is true of "Widgets" and "Gizmos"
>>>
>>> Again, not to insult since I know how hard it is to get the CSS right -
>>> but IMHO it is better to have something "safe" like the 4.x center
>>> column layout where you can be assured that each item will fit on a
>>> separate line and that the center column resizes gracefully (to a point
>>> :-) than this. Especially when you are trying to get people to try it
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening.
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>>    
>>
>>  
>
>

--
BJ Freeman
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
Systems Integrator.

[David E. Jones-2]

Yes, this is definitely a weak spot in OFBiz. Aside from the recent  
great work by Anil Patel to clean up and improve the HTML in the  
ecommerce webapp I don't think it's really been touched (except as  
needed when adding new features) for the last 4 or 5 years!

It's always been a weak spot in OFBiz, and I think the reason why is  
that most web developers that do custom ecommerce sites based on OFBiz  
create totally custom HTML and then fit in the dynamic elements from  
OFBiz instead of trying to use the HTML that comes OOTB as much as  
possible as refining it as needed and customizing it mostly through CSS.

This is an important point though, and improvements here would  
certainly make OFBiz more interesting to a large number of people and  
organizations who evaluate it for their ecommerce needs. I'm really  
inspired by the recent efforts from Anil, and I hope others with the  
skills and vision for this also get involved to make the thing really  
shine right out of the box.

In other words, I guess in short that means: +1

-David


On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi All:
> Need to clarify - not sure if this is the 9.x code I'm looking at.  
> It is the "ofbiz-trunk" as downloaded last night from the Apache  
> website. The prepackaged code.
> Ruth
> Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> Hi All:
>> The new OFBiz 9.x (from the packaged distribution) main storefront  
>> page - center column - doesn't resize gracefully - at least not  
>> with FireFox 3.0.10. Content from the center column overwrites  
>> right column text even when I resize my browser window almost as  
>> wide as it goes. Not to offend anyone but - It looks really sloppy.
>>
>> Other observations that make it look not too professional:
>>
>>   The top rule just below the Featured products (BTW, the "P"  
>> should be capitalized) is longer than the other rules separating  
>> each line.
>>   The graphics are not centered above the descriptive text
>>   No page counters - even if there is only 1 page,  I believe you  
>> should tell people that there is only 1 page of products. (Plus,  
>> you want to showcase the fact that the software is pagination for  
>> you. This is a selling point!)
>>   When you select "Gift Cards" under Browse Categories - there are  
>> some empty lines in the list (between "Gift Cards Reload" and "Gift  
>> Cards Purchase") Same is true of "Widgets" and "Gizmos"
>>
>> Again, not to insult since I know how hard it is to get the CSS  
>> right - but IMHO it is better to have something "safe" like the 4.x  
>> center column layout where you can be assured that each item will  
>> fit on a separate line and that the center column resizes  
>> gracefully (to a point :-) than this. Especially when you are  
>> trying to get people to try it out.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>> Ruth
>>
>