Downloadable version 11.04

[Sascha Rodekamp-3]

Hi *,

I'm missing a downloadable version of the 11.04 branch in the OFBiz download
area.
Is it a lot of work to create a ZIP file and add the link?

Thanks,
Sascha

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Sascha Rodekamp
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[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Hi Sascha,

unfortunately we cannot publish it in the download page because it is still not an official release.
Of course we could start the process to officially release it, I am open to this. What do you and others think about this?

Kind regards,

Jacopo

On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote:

> Hi *,
>
> I'm missing a downloadable version of the 11.04 branch in the OFBiz download
> area.
> Is it a lot of work to create a ZIP file and add the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Sascha
>
> --
>
> Sascha Rodekamp
>    Visit the new german OFBiz Blog: http://www.ofbiz.biz
>    Lynx-Consulting GmbH
>    Johanniskirchplatz 6
>    D-33615 Bielefeld
>    http://www.lynx.de

[Scott Gray-2]

I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.

Regards
Scott

On 8/06/2011, at 7:50 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Hi Sascha,
>
> unfortunately we cannot publish it in the download page because it is still not an official release.
> Of course we could start the process to officially release it, I am open to this. What do you and others think about this?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote:
>
>> Hi *,
>>
>> I'm missing a downloadable version of the 11.04 branch in the OFBiz download
>> area.
>> Is it a lot of work to create a ZIP file and add the link?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sascha
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sascha Rodekamp
>>   Visit the new german OFBiz Blog: http://www.ofbiz.biz
>>   Lynx-Consulting GmbH
>>   Johanniskirchplatz 6
>>   D-33615 Bielefeld
>>   http://www.lynx.de
>

[Sascha Rodekamp-3]

Ah ok Scott is right. I don't think of it. That might Be a Problem. Should we Open a Task for it?



Am 08.06.2011 um 10:07 schrieb Scott Gray <[hidden email]>:

> I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 8/06/2011, at 7:50 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> Hi Sascha,
>>
>> unfortunately we cannot publish it in the download page because it is still not an official release.
>> Of course we could start the process to officially release it, I am open to this. What do you and others think about this?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote:
>>
>>> Hi *,
>>>
>>> I'm missing a downloadable version of the 11.04 branch in the OFBiz download
>>> area.
>>> Is it a lot of work to create a ZIP file and add the link?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sascha
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Sascha Rodekamp
>>>  Visit the new german OFBiz Blog: http://www.ofbiz.biz
>>>  Lynx-Consulting GmbH
>>>  Johanniskirchplatz 6
>>>  D-33615 Bielefeld
>>>  http://www.lynx.de
>>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]>
>I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've
>been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.

Have you an idea on how we could verify?  Would you ask legal for that?

Jacques

>Regards
>Scott

>On 8/06/2011, at 7:50 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Hi Sascha,
>
> unfortunately we cannot publish it in the download page because it is still not an official release.
> Of course we could start the process to officially release it, I am open to this. What do you and others think about this?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote:
>
>> Hi *,
>>
>> I'm missing a downloadable version of the 11.04 branch in the OFBiz download
>> area.
>> Is it a lot of work to create a ZIP file and add the link?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sascha
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sascha Rodekamp
>>   Visit the new german OFBiz Blog: http://www.ofbiz.biz
>>   Lynx-Consulting GmbH
>>   Johanniskirchplatz 6
>>   D-33615 Bielefeld
>>   http://www.lynx.de
>

[Erwan de FERRIERES]

Le 08/06/2011 10:07, Scott Gray a écrit :
> I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.
>
Hi Scott,

there is the clean-downloads task which removes all the downloaded
files. Should it be added to the build script ?

--
Erwan de FERRIERES
www.nereide.biz

[Jacopo Cappellato-4]

Hi Erwan,

I doubt it will be enough to resolve this concern about the ASF licensing policy.

Jacopo

On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:

> Le 08/06/2011 10:07, Scott Gray a écrit :
>> I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.
>>
> Hi Scott,
>
> there is the clean-downloads task which removes all the downloaded files. Should it be added to the build script ?
>
> --
> Erwan de FERRIERES
> www.nereide.biz

[Erwan de FERRIERES]

Le 08/06/2011 12:08, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
> Hi Erwan,
>
> I doubt it will be enough to resolve this concern about the ASF licensing policy.
>
> Jacopo
>
Hi Scott and Jacopo,

this is should not be a problem anymore. I created a new ant target
which is using cobertura, and put back the run-tests as it was before.

So cobertura is only downloaded when using the right target.

Cheers,

--
Erwan de FERRIERES
www.nereide.biz

[Scott Gray-2]

Hi Erwan,

Ignore this paragraph since I wrote it will you were making the changes that solved the problem:
I agree with Jacopo, I really think the best solution would be to just have users that want cobertura run the separate ant task that downloads it instead of doing it automatically for them.  We are allowed optional dependencies of non-compatible libraries but I think the automatic download when running tests crosses the line in a mandatory dependency.

Also another thing to keep in mind for any feature is that a change that makes life easier for you won't necessarily make life easier for everyone.  For example, I never look at the cobertura reports when running tests but now I have to wait while the library is downloaded (not sure what happens when I'm offline) and also put up with longer run times because of the additional overhead of the instrumentation.

I'm not complaining though, just wanted to take the opportunity to again highlight that sometimes certain additional features can be as much of a hindrance to some as they can be a help to others.

Regards
Scott

On 8/06/2011, at 10:08 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> Hi Erwan,
>
> I doubt it will be enough to resolve this concern about the ASF licensing policy.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
>
>> Le 08/06/2011 10:07, Scott Gray a écrit :
>>> I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.
>>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> there is the clean-downloads task which removes all the downloaded files. Should it be added to the build script ?
>>
>> --
>> Erwan de FERRIERES
>> www.nereide.biz
>

[Erwan de FERRIERES]

Le 08/06/2011 14:04, Scott Gray a écrit :

> Hi Erwan,
>
> Ignore this paragraph since I wrote it will you were making the changes that solved the problem:
> I agree with Jacopo, I really think the best solution would be to just have users that want cobertura run the separate ant task that downloads it instead of doing it automatically for them.  We are allowed optional dependencies of non-compatible libraries but I think the automatic download when running tests crosses the line in a mandatory dependency.
>
> Also another thing to keep in mind for any feature is that a change that makes life easier for you won't necessarily make life easier for everyone.  For example, I never look at the cobertura reports when running tests but now I have to wait while the library is downloaded (not sure what happens when I'm offline) and also put up with longer run times because of the additional overhead of the instrumentation.
>
> I'm not complaining though, just wanted to take the opportunity to again highlight that sometimes certain additional features can be as much of a hindrance to some as they can be a help to others.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>

Hi Scott,

i'm not using the cobertura feature either. The only reason I make
cobertura downloadable is to remove the errors at the build time.

So problem solved, we can ship the 11.04 release!

I'll take a look to your comment with the build target.

Cheers,

--
Erwan de FERRIERES
www.nereide.biz

[Scott Gray-2]

On 9/06/2011, at 12:21 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:

> Le 08/06/2011 14:04, Scott Gray a écrit :
>> Hi Erwan,
>>
>> Ignore this paragraph since I wrote it will you were making the changes that solved the problem:
>> I agree with Jacopo, I really think the best solution would be to just have users that want cobertura run the separate ant task that downloads it instead of doing it automatically for them.  We are allowed optional dependencies of non-compatible libraries but I think the automatic download when running tests crosses the line in a mandatory dependency.
>>
>> Also another thing to keep in mind for any feature is that a change that makes life easier for you won't necessarily make life easier for everyone.  For example, I never look at the cobertura reports when running tests but now I have to wait while the library is downloaded (not sure what happens when I'm offline) and also put up with longer run times because of the additional overhead of the instrumentation.
>>
>> I'm not complaining though, just wanted to take the opportunity to again highlight that sometimes certain additional features can be as much of a hindrance to some as they can be a help to others.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
> Hi Scott,
>
> i'm not using the cobertura feature either. The only reason I make cobertura downloadable is to remove the errors at the build time.

Well in that case this is a good example of making changes without any thought to the impact of those changes.  But all the same, thanks for fixing the issue.

Regards
Scott

[Jacques Le Roux]

OK forget it, I think it's too late now

Jacques

From: "Jacques Le Roux" <[hidden email]>

> From: "Scott Gray" <[hidden email]>
>>I'm still not comfortable with the run-tests build target automatically downloading a GPL dependency, I don't think that should've
>>been added without some sort of indication that it's inline with ASF licensing policies.
>
> Have you an idea on how we could verify?  Would you ask legal for that?
>
> Jacques
>
>>Regards
>>Scott
>
>>On 8/06/2011, at 7:50 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> Hi Sascha,
>>
>> unfortunately we cannot publish it in the download page because it is still not an official release.
>> Of course we could start the process to officially release it, I am open to this. What do you and others think about this?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote:
>>
>>> Hi *,
>>>
>>> I'm missing a downloadable version of the 11.04 branch in the OFBiz download
>>> area.
>>> Is it a lot of work to create a ZIP file and add the link?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sascha
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Sascha Rodekamp
>>>   Visit the new german OFBiz Blog: http://www.ofbiz.biz
>>>   Lynx-Consulting GmbH
>>>   Johanniskirchplatz 6
>>>   D-33615 Bielefeld
>>>   http://www.lynx.de
>>
>
>