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Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz
framework: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. My preference would be to create a branch and start building things out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the current code. If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - similar to the approach taken by Moqui. I created a design document: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. -- Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com |
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Adrian,
My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few years Regards, Hans On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: > Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz > framework: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E > > > Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E > > > Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and > pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the > framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. > > My preference would be to create a branch and start building things > out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over > from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned > from the current code. > > If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in > February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - > similar to the approach taken by Moqui. > > I created a design document: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision > > > It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. > |
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If thinking a step further....we are in for a slimdown?
Then why not start efforts replacing in the ofbiz project, the framework with the moqui framework? then the Apache OFBiz project could work together with the Moqui Mantle developments..... just a thought.... Regards, Hans On 19/01/14 08:26, Hans Bakker wrote: > Adrian, > > My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i > am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly > are against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui > framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our > customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. > > I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I > would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a > new framework into the market will be really hard work and competing > with Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems > certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few years > > Regards, > Hans > > On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >> framework: >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E >> >> >> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E >> >> >> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >> >> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >> from the current code. >> >> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it >> in February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project >> - similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >> >> I created a design document: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision >> >> >> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >> > |
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Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done
anything about it. Like I said, "The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the current code." Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 1/18/2014 8:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: > Adrian, > > My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i > am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are > against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui > framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our > customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. > > I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I > would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new > framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with > Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems > certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few years > > Regards, > Hans > > On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >> framework: >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E >> >> >> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E >> >> >> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >> >> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >> from the current code. >> >> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >> >> I created a design document: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision >> >> >> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >> > |
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That's very ambitious, as I just said in another message, I'm still not in future, but taking into account what Java 8 brings us could start me...
Jacques On Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:27 PM, [hidden email] wrote > Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done > anything about it. > > Like I said, "The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound > design principles and the lessons learned from the current code." Moqui > copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. > > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 1/18/2014 8:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: >> Adrian, >> >> My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i >> am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are >> against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui >> framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our >> customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. >> >> I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I >> would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new >> framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with >> Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems >> certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few years >> >> Regards, >> Hans >> >> On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >>> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >>> framework: >>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E >>> >>> >>> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E >>> >>> >>> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >>> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >>> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >>> >>> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >>> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >>> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >>> from the current code. >>> >>> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >>> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >>> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >>> >>> I created a design document: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision >>> >>> >>> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. |
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+1 on finalizing Another Framework Vision document in cwiki
+1 on: refactoring in a new branch. +1 on: with the help from others Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Adrian Crum < [hidden email]> wrote: > Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz > framework: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. > mbox/%[hidden email]%3E > > Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. > mbox/%[hidden email]%3E > > Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and > pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the framework > entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. > > My preference would be to create a branch and start building things out > there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over from > scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the > current code. > > If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in > February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - > similar to the approach taken by Moqui. > > I created a design document: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ > Another+Framework+Vision > > It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. > > -- > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > |
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Adrian,
Is your new framework also intended to solve https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5458, as you outlined in your comments there? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>wrote: > +1 on finalizing Another Framework Vision document in cwiki > +1 on: refactoring in a new branch. > +1 on: with the help from others > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Adrian Crum < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >> framework: >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >> mbox/%[hidden email]%3E >> >> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >> mbox/%[hidden email]%3E >> >> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the framework >> entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >> >> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things out >> there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over from >> scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the >> current code. >> >> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >> >> I created a design document: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >> Another+Framework+Vision >> >> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >> >> -- >> Adrian Crum >> Sandglass Software >> www.sandglass-software.com >> > > |
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Yes, that can be included.
Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 1/21/2014 4:08 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Adrian, > > Is your new framework also intended to solve > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5458, as you outlined in your > comments there? > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> +1 on finalizing Another Framework Vision document in cwiki >> +1 on: refactoring in a new branch. >> +1 on: with the help from others >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Adrian Crum < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >>> framework: >>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >>> mbox/%[hidden email]%3E >>> >>> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >>> mbox/%[hidden email]%3E >>> >>> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >>> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the framework >>> entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >>> >>> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things out >>> there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over from >>> scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the >>> current code. >>> >>> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >>> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >>> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >>> >>> I created a design document: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >>> Another+Framework+Vision >>> >>> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >>> >>> -- >>> Adrian Crum >>> Sandglass Software >>> www.sandglass-software.com >>> >> >> > |
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> Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them.
You'd probably need to go into more detail on that, if I'm not mistaken Moqui's intention was to do the opposite. Personally I don't think you're going to get much support for a full framework rewrite, initially at least, because you're describing potentially years of effort using a short wiki document. When there's something more tangible to digest then at least there would be something to discuss. I'd suggest some sort of proof of concept in github or some design/api documentation before creating a branch, you need more support before undertaking it within this project IMO. I don't agree with the premise that the framework needs to be completely rewritten, at least not until there's a solid discussion about the actual issues that need to be fixed. Regards Scott On 19/01/2014, at 1:27 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done anything about it. > > Like I said, "The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the current code." Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. > > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 1/18/2014 8:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: >> Adrian, >> >> My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i >> am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are >> against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui >> framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our >> customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. >> >> I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I >> would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new >> framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with >> Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems >> certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few years >> >> Regards, >> Hans >> >> On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >>> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >>> framework: >>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E >>> >>> >>> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E >>> >>> >>> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >>> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >>> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >>> >>> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >>> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >>> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >>> from the current code. >>> >>> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >>> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >>> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >>> >>> I created a design document: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision >>> >>> >>> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >>> >> |
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In the original discussion, David provided a very nice description of
why a rewrite is necessary. There seemed to be some support for it at the time, but looking back, it appears I was the only one who supported the idea. Therefore, I have to come to the same conclusion David did: Innovation is impossible in this community, so it needs to be done somewhere else. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 1/21/2014 8:01 AM, Scott Gray wrote: >> Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. > > You'd probably need to go into more detail on that, if I'm not mistaken Moqui's intention was to do the opposite. > > Personally I don't think you're going to get much support for a full framework rewrite, initially at least, because you're describing potentially years of effort using a short wiki document. When there's something more tangible to digest then at least there would be something to discuss. I'd suggest some sort of proof of concept in github or some design/api documentation before creating a branch, you need more support before undertaking it within this project IMO. I don't agree with the premise that the framework needs to be completely rewritten, at least not until there's a solid discussion about the actual issues that need to be fixed. > > Regards > Scott > > On 19/01/2014, at 1:27 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >> Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done anything about it. >> >> Like I said, "The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the current code." Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. >> >> >> Adrian Crum >> Sandglass Software >> www.sandglass-software.com >> >> On 1/18/2014 8:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: >>> Adrian, >>> >>> My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i >>> am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are >>> against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui >>> framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our >>> customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. >>> >>> I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I >>> would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new >>> framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with >>> Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems >>> certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few years >>> >>> Regards, >>> Hans >>> >>> On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >>>> framework: >>>> >>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F4F51DA.50700@...%3E >>>> >>>> >>>> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >>>> >>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3C4F617965.4010207@...%3E >>>> >>>> >>>> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >>>> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >>>> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >>>> >>>> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >>>> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >>>> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >>>> from the current code. >>>> >>>> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >>>> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >>>> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >>>> >>>> I created a design document: >>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision >>>> >>>> >>>> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >>>> >>> > |
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Adrian,
Innovation, for sure, is not impossible in this community. Only in a subset of it. It would be a loss for this community if you would do it elsewhere. Like it is a loss that David took his elsewhere. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Adrian Crum < [hidden email]> wrote: > In the original discussion, David provided a very nice description of why > a rewrite is necessary. There seemed to be some support for it at the time, > but looking back, it appears I was the only one who supported the idea. > > Therefore, I have to come to the same conclusion David did: Innovation is > impossible in this community, so it needs to be done somewhere else. > > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 1/21/2014 8:01 AM, Scott Gray wrote: > >> Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. >>> >> >> You'd probably need to go into more detail on that, if I'm not mistaken >> Moqui's intention was to do the opposite. >> >> Personally I don't think you're going to get much support for a full >> framework rewrite, initially at least, because you're describing >> potentially years of effort using a short wiki document. When there's >> something more tangible to digest then at least there would be something to >> discuss. I'd suggest some sort of proof of concept in github or some >> design/api documentation before creating a branch, you need more support >> before undertaking it within this project IMO. I don't agree with the >> premise that the framework needs to be completely rewritten, at least not >> until there's a solid discussion about the actual issues that need to be >> fixed. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 19/01/2014, at 1:27 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >> Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done >>> anything about it. >>> >>> Like I said, "The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound >>> design principles and the lessons learned from the current code." Moqui >>> copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. >>> >>> >>> Adrian Crum >>> Sandglass Software >>> www.sandglass-software.com >>> >>> On 1/18/2014 8:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: >>> >>>> Adrian, >>>> >>>> My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i >>>> am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are >>>> against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui >>>> framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our >>>> customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. >>>> >>>> I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I >>>> would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new >>>> framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with >>>> Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems >>>> certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few >>>> years >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> >>>>> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >>>>> framework: >>>>> >>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >>>>> mbox/%[hidden email]%3E >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >>>>> >>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >>>>> mbox/%[hidden email]%3E >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >>>>> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >>>>> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >>>>> >>>>> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >>>>> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >>>>> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >>>>> from the current code. >>>>> >>>>> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >>>>> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >>>>> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >>>>> >>>>> I created a design document: >>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >>>>> Another+Framework+Vision >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> |
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