[MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.

Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.

The first option is : https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A

The second option is: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress

Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your thoughts, suggestions, comments.

Thanks
Sharan

[taher]

Hi Sharan,

To me, option B seems easier on the eyes and puts everything logically in its place. Option A on the other hand seems to be structured in a way that is emphasizing things that might not be necessary to all audiences.

For example, a listing of solutions is simpler that listing of solutions by role. Not everyone joining will be a CFO or CIO. Also, I see no big distinction between products and solutions to make it into two different menus. The platform menu does not seem to warrant a top level menu and can go in the documentation under the technical documentation. The part I really like from option A is partners and customers. So maybe we can put the news menu under community and make a top level menu called customers and partners. Or maybe we can do the exact opposite.

The main menu is important, and should be logical and easy on the eyes. Having something like team and platform as top level menu items is taking space that can be better organized with items like those listed in option B.

Cheers, and thank you for the great work.

Taher Alkhateeb

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From: "Sharan-F" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, 8 September, 2015 10:56:32 AM
Subject: [MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required

Hi Everyone

Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.

Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.

The first option is :
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A 

The second option is:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress 

Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
thoughts, suggestions, comments.

Thanks
Sharan



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[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

Hi Sharan,

I like option B more than option A.
I am not sure about the real need for the "Solutions" subtree, that information may be part of the "Documentation" subtree.

Thanks for the great effort,

Jacopo

On Sep 8, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
> website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
> of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.
>
> Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
> open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.
>
> The first option is :
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A
>
> The second option is:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress
>
> Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
> most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
> thoughts, suggestions, comments.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
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[Gil Portenseigne]

Hi Sharan,

I think B is a more classic implementation, very clear.

But i really like the idea of having an entry point "by role", it might be only x pages with links to other parts of the website, where we gather most interesting things for each role...

Putting it into "Getting Started" menu seems a good way to include it into B design (already got dev and  Business User there) .

Thanks for the work !

Gil

On 08/09/2015 09:56, Sharan-F wrote:

Hi Everyone

Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website. 

Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.

The first option is :
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A

The second option is:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress

Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
thoughts, suggestions, comments.

Thanks
Sharan



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[Todd Thorner]

For what it's worth, I prefer Option B.  Consumers tend to seek
innovation from products themselves while expecting familiarity from the
product's web page navigation/design.

Is there any way to sneak the term "Entrepreneur" in there somewhere as
a sub-menu item?  Feature creep, yes, although I find that entrepreneurs
tend to become excited about a product when they see something at its
web site that makes them think "These people understand me and my dream."



On 15-09-08 12:56 AM, Sharan-F wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
> website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
> of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.
>
> Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
> open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.
>
> The first option is :
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A
>
> The second option is:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress
>
> Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
> most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
> thoughts, suggestions, comments.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
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[Peter Arnold]

Hi Sharan,

To me also option B seems to be better structured. Maybe under Getting
Started > Business Users you might add a page with "Implementers". Like that
a true business user could really get started.

Regards,

Peter


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[Nick Rosser-2]

Sharan,

Nice job, never easy putting this stuff together.

I like pieces from both – this can’t be an “A” or “B” choice. My 2 cents:

Getting Started (B). I like this – I think that most new visitors will click into the section. I would have Business Users before Developers –

Solutions (combine from A and B). I like the “By Role” approach. I would look to combine so we would have Solutions -> By Role (with sub options of CEO, CIO etc) and Solutions -> by Business Need (with sub options of ERP, E-Commerce etc.).

Documentation (B). A must have, imo.

Customers (A). If I’m evaluating OFBiz I would absolutely want to see who else has adopted the platform.

Partners (A), same thinking as “Customers”.

Community (B). I would combine items from Community / About and News into here. This can also have links to more developer focused content and links.

I also think that the Home Page can have a big impact on the layout. For example, Latest News could be on the Home Page (with a link to “All News”) which lessens the priority for having News prominently available on the NavBar. This is the same for the landing pages for the major navbar items.

It’s always difficult to put this together and get it right the first time, and right for all viewers. Nice start!

Nick

From: gil portenseigne [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:22 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required

Hi Sharan,

I think B is a more classic implementation, very clear.

But i really like the idea of having an entry point "by role", it might be only x pages with links to other parts of the website, where we gather most interesting things for each role...

Putting it into "Getting Started" menu seems a good way to include it into B design (already got dev and  Business User there) .

Thanks for the work !

Gil
On 08/09/2015 09:56, Sharan-F wrote:

Hi Everyone



Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current

website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple

of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.



Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still

open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.



The first option is :

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A



The second option is:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress



Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the

most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your

thoughts, suggestions, comments.



Thanks

Sharan







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[Ron Wheeler]

Good idea. There is a lot of overlap between roles.
This makes it easier to write content and harder to manage the navigation.

Ron

On 08/09/2015 9:22 AM, gil portenseigne wrote:

> Hi Sharan,
>
> I think B is a more classic implementation, very clear.
>
> But i really like the idea of having an entry point "by role", it
> might be only x pages with links to other parts of the website, where
> we gather most interesting things for each role...
>
> Putting it into "Getting Started" menu seems a good way to include it
> into B design (already got dev and  Business User there) .
>
> Thanks for the work !
>
> Gil
>
> On 08/09/2015 09:56, Sharan-F wrote:
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
>> website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
>> of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.
>>
>> Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
>> open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.
>>
>> The first option is :
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A
>>
>> The second option is:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress
>>
>> Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
>> most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
>> thoughts, suggestions, comments.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
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[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Sharan,

Thanks for you work on this, thanks also to  Nick and Taher  :)

Like Taher (no surprise ;)) and Jacopo I prefer option B.

Unlike Taher and as suggested Adrian I wonder if separating solutions by roles could not be interesting, for marketing purpose of course.

I also prefer the content of Team menu over About, at least About miss a ref to Contributors.
In solution B, Press (In A only) should be in News also. I know this is shrinking but is still important, often more professional articles.

I'd rename "Inventory Management" "Inventory and Order Management". Nothing about Accounting?

Like Taher I like the Partners Menu

I guess we can do even better, but that's quite a good start! Remember though that a number of links must be present on the main page... most of those
in left bar... The Copyright  in footer as well.

My 2cts

Jacques

Le 08/09/2015 09:56, Sharan-F a écrit :

> Hi Everyone
>
> Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
> website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
> of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.
>
> Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
> open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.
>
> The first option is :
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A
>
> The second option is:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress
>
> Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
> most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
> thoughts, suggestions, comments.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
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[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Thank you all very much for your feedback and comments. The general opinion appears to be option B with some minor changes.

I will draft a ‘modified option B’ trying to incorporate as many of your suggestions as I can.

Thanks
Sharan

[Ashish Vijaywargiya-4]

I liked the second option!!

Thanks for the great work.

Kind Regards
Ashish Vijaywargiya
HotWax Systems - est. 1997

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> Thanks very much for the feedback on my thread about updating our current
> website. Based on suggestions from the community I've put together a couple
> of diagrams that show a proposed structure for the new OFBiz website.
>
> Please note that these proposals are only meant as guides so we are still
> open to getting feedback on any suggested changes.
>
> The first option is :
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+-+Option+A
>
> The second option is:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Website+Structure+Option+B+-+Work+in+Progress
>
> Next we need to get feedback from the community to understand which is the
> most preferred, so please can you respond back to this thread with your
> thoughts, suggestions, comments.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
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[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Please see below for a link to a revised proposal for our new website structure.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback

I've tried to incorporate as much feedback as I can. The Solutions menu uses all the  descriptions that we currently use to describe what people can do with OFBiz on our home page. I've added a couple that we don't really publicise too much but could be interesting for specific customers (e.g. managing subscriptions as also reservations and bookings)

Once again, please let me have your feedback and comments to see if we now have a website structure proposal that people are generally happy with.

Thanks
Sharan

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure proposal.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback

I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.

Thanks
Sharan

[Michael Brohl-3]

Hi Sharan,

many thanks for your work on this, it's much appreciated!

Unfortunately, I had not the time to look at it but I hope to find an
hour in the next days before the OCD. Just to inform you that there's
interest...

Regards,

Michael

Am 16.09.15 um 09:14 schrieb Sharan-F:

> Hi Everyone
>
> I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
> proposal.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback
>
> I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
> some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>

[taher]

Hi Sharan,

I looked at the structure and have the following suggestions / comments:

- on a second review, we have too many sub-menus. This can be overwhelming to people navigating the website. Instead, you might take the content of the sub-menus and sprinkle it around the pages
- I suggest removing partners and making it part of the community menu. It does not add a lot of value to make it a top level menu item.
- I would suggest reordering the menus to be -> getting started, news, solutions, documentation, community, customers
- perhaps we can drop all menu items under solutions, and make that part of the text and layout of the page

These are my thoughts for now. HTH

Taher Alkhateeb

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Subject: Re: [MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required

Hi Everyone

I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
proposal.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback 

I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.

Thanks
Sharan




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[FGomez]

Sharan,

Your 2nd review with feedbacks (and there were many with such great
community) is fine to get something done along the great work you do.
I am in line with Taher suggestions of the top layout - hence the site
will be dynamic to adapt to future changes and suggestions.

Moreover, the content value shall be clearly exposed to allow the target
audience to get a RAPID graps of the OOTB solution vs others alternative.


Regards,
Fernando



Le 2015-09-16 05:40, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

> Hi Sharan,
>
> I looked at the structure and have the following suggestions / comments:
>
> - on a second review, we have too many sub-menus. This can be overwhelming to people navigating the website. Instead, you might take the content of the sub-menus and sprinkle it around the pages
> - I suggest removing partners and making it part of the community menu. It does not add a lot of value to make it a top level menu item.
> - I would suggest reordering the menus to be -> getting started, news, solutions, documentation, community, customers
> - perhaps we can drop all menu items under solutions, and make that part of the text and layout of the page
>
> These are my thoughts for now. HTH
>
> Taher Alkhateeb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Sharan-F" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September, 2015 3:14:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
> proposal.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback
>
> I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
> some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi

Le 16/09/2015 11:40, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
> Hi Sharan,
>
> I looked at the structure and have the following suggestions / comments:
>
> - on a second review, we have too many sub-menus. This can be overwhelming to people navigating the website. Instead, you might take the content of the sub-menus and sprinkle it around the pages

The old UI golden rule by Apple (before Windows with all "its" - sometimes creazy applications - existed) was that "you shall not have more than 3
levels menus". This to say that I tend to agree with Taher here. Thought I'm not sure Sharan's intention was to create 3rd level menus. Because I have
never seen that on web pages (or I forgot), where you have only horizontal menus entries with each vertical sub-menus. Most of the times we indeed put
what would be 3rd level menus as links into pages, this is something you can't easily do out of the HTML paradigm.

> - I suggest removing partners and making it part of the community menu. It does not add a lot of value to make it a top level menu item.

+1, but then will need more redirections

> - I would suggest reordering the menus to be -> getting started, news, solutions, documentation, community, customers

+0

> - perhaps we can drop all menu items under solutions, and make that part of the text and layout of the page

Moot point, but again the HTML paradigm allows for more solutions than 2nd level menus... It's all about creativity...

I want to add that I'm all for Subscriptions and Reservations pages, good idea. We have already those pages for starting
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Subscription
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Proposal+for+Plane,+Bus,+Restaurant+and+Cinema+Seats
The 2nd should be amended/completed

HTH

Jacques

>
> These are my thoughts for now. HTH
>
> Taher Alkhateeb
>
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>
> From: "Sharan-F" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September, 2015 3:14:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
> proposal.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback
>
> I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
> some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi

Le 16/09/2015 17:16, FGomez a écrit :
> Sharan,
>
> Your 2nd review with feedbacks (and there were many with such great community) is fine to get something done along the great work you do.
> I am in line with Taher suggestions of the top layout - hence the site will be dynamic to adapt to future changes and suggestions.
>
> Moreover, the content value shall be clearly exposed to allow the target audience to get a RAPID graps of the OOTB solution vs others alternative.

Could you elaborate on that? Sorry it's not clear to me :)

Thanks

Jacques

>
>
> Regards,
> Fernando
>
>
>
> Le 2015-09-16 05:40, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
>> Hi Sharan,
>>
>> I looked at the structure and have the following suggestions / comments:
>>
>> - on a second review, we have too many sub-menus. This can be overwhelming to people navigating the website. Instead, you might take the content of
>> the sub-menus and sprinkle it around the pages
>> - I suggest removing partners and making it part of the community menu. It does not add a lot of value to make it a top level menu item.
>> - I would suggest reordering the menus to be -> getting started, news, solutions, documentation, community, customers
>> - perhaps we can drop all menu items under solutions, and make that part of the text and layout of the page
>>
>> These are my thoughts for now. HTH
>>
>> Taher Alkhateeb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Sharan-F" <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September, 2015 3:14:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MARKETING] OFBiz New Website Structure Proposals – Feedback Required
>>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
>> proposal.
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback
>>
>> I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
>> some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Jacopo Cappellato-5]

Thanks for the great effort Sharan.

I think we should find better terms for "Customers" and "Patrners": theese two don't apply well to an open source project and community and are more suited for a company site.

Jacopo

On Sep 16, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
> proposal.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback
>
> I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
> some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
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[Jacques Le Roux]

Le 17/09/2015 08:33, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
> Thanks for the great effort Sharan.
>
> I think we should find better terms for "Customers" and "Patrners": theese two don't apply well to an open source project and community and are more suited for a company site.

Users and Service Providers as we already use for "decades ;)" ?

Jacques

>
> Jacopo
>
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Sharan-F <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I’m still looking for some feedback on the revised website structure
>> proposal.
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/New+Website+Structure+Based+on+Combined+Feedback
>>
>> I was hoping to get some feedback in time to see if we could start doing
>> some work on the Website update for the Community Day on Saturday.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
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