[MODERATE EMAIL] Wiki edit request

[Deepak Dixit-4]

Hi Mathieu Lirzin,

Your email has been moderated, please subscribe mailing list
http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

Regarding wiki edit access, Please refer Wiki access
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/6IAWAw>

Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
Director of Product Engineering
HotWax Commerce <https://hotwax.co/>


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From: Mathieu Lirzin <[hidden email]>
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:33:21 +0200
Subject: Wiki edit request
Hello,

I would like to be able to edit the confluence Wiki.

My confluence username: mlirzin

Thanks.

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Mathieu Lirzin
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[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hello,

Deepak Dixit <[hidden email]> writes:

> Your email has been moderated, please subscribe mailing list
> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

Done.

Thanks.

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Mathieu Lirzin
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[Sharan Foga]

Hi Mathieu

I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete one before we give access to our wiki.

You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors

Thanks
Sharan

On 2018/04/17 07:33:11, Mathieu Lirzin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Deepak Dixit <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > Your email has been moderated, please subscribe mailing list
> > http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
>
> Done.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Mathieu Lirzin
> GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761  070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37
>

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hello Sharan,

Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:

> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
> one before we give access to our wiki.

Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
made.

While I have no problem signing an ICLA, I found it a bit surprising to
have such requirement for editing a wiki.  Do you know the rationale of
this?

> You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors

I will send my ICLA to <[hidden email]> soon.

Do you need some kind of notification when this is done?

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access

Thanks.

--
Mathieu Lirzin
GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761  070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi  Mathieu,

Le 17/04/2018 à 11:33, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :

> Hello Sharan,
>
> Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:
>
>> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
>> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
>> one before we give access to our wiki.
> Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
> should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
> requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
> information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
> made.

Obviously it's ASL2 since you send your ICLA to the ASF ;)

> While I have no problem signing an ICLA, I found it a bit surprising to
> have such requirement for editing a wiki.  Do you know the rationale of
> this?
I also then wondered about that. But I guess Sharan can explain that.

>> You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors
> I will send my ICLA to <[hidden email]> soon.
>
> Do you need some kind of notification when this is done?
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access
Actually no, we (PMC in private ML) receive this information by the secretary

Jacques
>
> Thanks.
>

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Mathieu

No worries. Normally when people request access to our wiki, if they don’t have an ICLA then I send them the link to the contributors page to take a look at because it includes a link to the discussion about introducing it, when it was introduced (in November 2014)  and what it means to sign an ICLA.  A link to the original discussion link is here : https://s.apache.org/N0sF

I’ll try and explain from my perspective. The details on the wiki are an important part of the project just like the OFBiz code. Everything we do as a project is done under the Apache Licence which simply means it open and free for anyone to use. Signing an ICLA means that you understand that anything you contribute  (or want to contribute) is done so under the Apache Licence and that you are happy to do this.

As Jacques mentioned, for the notification, once the ICLA is filed, the PMC gets an notification directly from the secretary

Hope this helps

Thanks
Sharan


On 2018/04/17 09:55:57, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi  Mathieu,
>
> Le 17/04/2018 à 11:33, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :
> > Hello Sharan,
> >
> > Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:
> >
> >> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
> >> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
> >> one before we give access to our wiki.
> > Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
> > should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
> > requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
> > information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
> > made.
> Obviously it's ASL2 since you send your ICLA to the ASF ;)
>
> > While I have no problem signing an ICLA, I found it a bit surprising to
> > have such requirement for editing a wiki.  Do you know the rationale of
> > this?
> I also then wondered about that. But I guess Sharan can explain that.
>
> >> You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors
> > I will send my ICLA to <[hidden email]> soon.
> >
> > Do you need some kind of notification when this is done?
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access
> Actually no, we (PMC in private ML) receive this information by the secretary
>
> Jacques
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hello Jacques,

Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> writes:

> Le 17/04/2018 à 11:33, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :
>>
>> Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:
>>
>>> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
>>> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
>>> one before we give access to our wiki.
>> Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
>> should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
>> requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
>> information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
>> made.
> Obviously it's ASL2 since you send your ICLA to the ASF ;)

Sorry I am not used to the Apache way.  :-)

I would expect the ASL2 to require somekind of copying statement on each
wiki page.  No?

>>> You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors
>> I will send my ICLA to <[hidden email]> soon.
>>
>> Do you need some kind of notification when this is done?
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access
> Actually no, we (PMC in private ML) receive this information by the secretary

OK, thanks for the information.

--
Mathieu Lirzin
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[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Deepak,

It's great to have the  [MODERATE EMAIL] prefix on the 1st moderated message. But then people reuse the subject prefix w/o removing the prefix and
it's confusing.

I think we should not add this prefix to avoid this confusion

Thanks

Jacques


Le 17/04/2018 à 06:32, Deepak Dixit a écrit :

> Hi Mathieu Lirzin,
>
> Your email has been moderated, please subscribe mailing list
> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
>
> Regarding wiki edit access, Please refer Wiki access
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/6IAWAw>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
> Director of Product Engineering
> HotWax Commerce <https://hotwax.co/>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mathieu Lirzin <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:33:21 +0200
> Subject: Wiki edit request
> Hello,
>
> I would like to be able to edit the confluence Wiki.
>
> My confluence username: mlirzin
>
> Thanks.
>

[Chris Clark]

No what you guys should is this...

Have a list of maillist users in an array... say mailListUsers

On all incoming mail to the mail list do some soft of
indexOf(mailListUsers);

Than a conditional

if indexOf(mailListUsers) > -1 {
    sendMail... (However you do it)
};
if indexOf(mailListUsers) < 0 {
    forwardMailAsUserModerated... (However you do it)
    sendRegVerifiyeMail (as if new user was registering)
};


Just my 2 cents



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 5:22 AM Mathieu Lirzin, <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello Jacques,
>
> Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > Le 17/04/2018 à 11:33, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :
> >>
> >> Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:
> >>
> >>> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
> >>> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
> >>> one before we give access to our wiki.
> >> Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
> >> should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
> >> requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
> >> information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
> >> made.
> > Obviously it's ASL2 since you send your ICLA to the ASF ;)
>
> Sorry I am not used to the Apache way.  :-)
>
> I would expect the ASL2 to require somekind of copying statement on each
> wiki page.  No?
>
> >>> You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors
> >> I will send my ICLA to <[hidden email]> soon.
> >>
> >> Do you need some kind of notification when this is done?
> >>
> >> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access
> > Actually no, we (PMC in private ML) receive this information by the
> secretary
>
> OK, thanks for the information.
>
> --
> Mathieu Lirzin
> GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761  070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the idea but this is not in hour hands but ASF infra team http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact

Only moderation is.

Sincerely the ASF uses ezmlm <http://untroubled.org/ezmlm/> for handling its ML, and I doubt the infra will change anything there ;)

Imagine, the infra team is a handful of guys and they handle tons of MLs

Jacques


Le 17/04/2018 à 14:21, Chris Clark a écrit :

> No what you guys should is this...
>
> Have a list of maillist users in an array... say mailListUsers
>
> On all incoming mail to the mail list do some soft of
> indexOf(mailListUsers);
>
> Than a conditional
>
> if indexOf(mailListUsers) > -1 {
>      sendMail... (However you do it)
> };
> if indexOf(mailListUsers) < 0 {
>      forwardMailAsUserModerated... (However you do it)
>      sendRegVerifiyeMail (as if new user was registering)
> };
>
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 5:22 AM Mathieu Lirzin, <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jacques,
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> writes:
>>
>>> Le 17/04/2018 à 11:33, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :
>>>> Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
>>>>> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
>>>>> one before we give access to our wiki.
>>>> Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
>>>> should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
>>>> requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
>>>> information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
>>>> made.
>>> Obviously it's ASL2 since you send your ICLA to the ASF ;)
>> Sorry I am not used to the Apache way.  :-)
>>
>> I would expect the ASL2 to require somekind of copying statement on each
>> wiki page.  No?
>>
>>>>> You can find details of how to do it on our contributors page:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors
>>>> I will send my ICLA to <[hidden email]> soon.
>>>>
>>>> Do you need some kind of notification when this is done?
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access
>>> Actually no, we (PMC in private ML) receive this information by the
>> secretary
>>
>> OK, thanks for the information.
>>
>> --
>> Mathieu Lirzin
>> GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761  070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37
>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Mathieu,

Le 17/04/2018 à 12:22, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :

> Hello Jacques,
>
> Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> writes:
>
>> Le 17/04/2018 à 11:33, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit :
>>> Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> writes:
>>>
>>>> I couldn't find your name in the list of people who have an
>>>> ICLA. Please can you complete one. We ask all contributors to complete
>>>> one before we give access to our wiki.
>>> Indeed I was unaware of this requirement.  Maybe the wording in [1]
>>> should be changed to make it clear that signing an ICLA is a
>>> requirement.  Additionally it would be nice it was giving some
>>> information regarding the license upon which wiki contributions are
>>> made.
>> Obviously it's ASL2 since you send your ICLA to the ASF ;)
> Sorry I am not used to the Apache way.  :-)
>
> I would expect the ASL2 to require somekind of copying statement on each
> wiki page.  No?

I don't think it's needed. Maybe a small sentence could be added to the header that currently says:
     "Access to add and change pages is restricted. See: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Wiki+access"
I'm not sure it's worth it, what others think, especially Sharan?

Jacques