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With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t If nobody disagree I'd like to modify https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template We could have ---- [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, sideeffects etc.] [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] ---- But I would prefer: ---- [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, sideeffects etc.] [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] ---- Opinions? Thanks Jacques |
The subject can be quite lengthy (as I have experienced a few times when
doing PRs). I suggest to moving the ticket Id to the front of the first line. Also, whatever the categorisation is ([Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: this should be referenced (at least) in the ticket. While having everything significant (like the categorisation) on the first line is desirable, the minimum is the ticket ID. I don't mind (people) to click through to the ticket to get a better understanding. What are best practices from other (Apache/Open Source) projects? Met vriendelijke groet, Pierre Smits *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since 2008 (without privileges) *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:03 AM Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in > the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t > > If nobody disagree I'd like to modify > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template > > We could have > > ---- > > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira > title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > > But I would prefer: > ---- > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira > title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > Opinions? > > Thanks > > Jacques > > |
Can GitHub be configured that when a ticket Id is present it is shown as a
link to the ticket in Jira. IIRC I have seen it happening. Met vriendelijke groet, Pierre Smits *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since 2008 (without privileges) *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Pierre Smits <[hidden email]> wrote: > The subject can be quite lengthy (as I have experienced a few times when > doing PRs). I suggest to moving the ticket Id to the front of the first > line. > Also, whatever the categorisation is ([Implemented | Improved | Fixed | > Completed| Documented | Reverted]: this should be referenced (at least) in > the ticket. > > While having everything significant (like the categorisation) on the first > line is desirable, the minimum is the ticket ID. > > I don't mind (people) to click through to the ticket to get a better > understanding. > > What are best practices from other (Apache/Open Source) projects? > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Pierre Smits > *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since > 2008 (without privileges) > > *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* > *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* > Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer > Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer > > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:03 AM Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number >> in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t >> >> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify >> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template >> >> We could have >> >> ---- >> >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >> achieves, >> sideeffects etc.] >> >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >> >> ---- >> >> But I would prefer: >> ---- >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >> achieves, >> sideeffects etc.] >> >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >> >> ---- >> Opinions? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jacques >> >> |
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Am 20.05.20 um 11:36 schrieb Pierre Smits: > The subject can be quite lengthy (as I have experienced a few times when > doing PRs). I suggest to moving the ticket Id to the front of the first > line. > Also, whatever the categorisation is ([Implemented | Improved | Fixed | > Completed| Documented | Reverted]: this should be referenced (at least) in > the ticket. > > While having everything significant (like the categorisation) on the first > line is desirable, the minimum is the ticket ID. I concur. > > I don't mind (people) to click through to the ticket to get a better > understanding. I used to edit the commit messages for the publication on the blog a while ago. Having to click through all tickets to get a better understanding is not much fun. Even with the status quo it has to be done sometimes. Although I cherish the learning that can take place by diving into resolved issues it is quite timeconsuming and cumbersome. I like the "Thanks" even though it is not technically needed, it is always nice to read it. |
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+1 to
---- [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, sideeffects etc.] [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] ---- Regards, James On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t > > If nobody disagree I'd like to modify > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template > > We could have > > ---- > > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > > But I would prefer: > ---- > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > Opinions? > > Thanks > > Jacques > > |
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I'll do that in 5 days, simple, efficient in Git. Jacques Le 20/05/2020 à 16:43, James Yong a écrit : > +1 to > > ---- > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > ---- > > Regards, > James > > > On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t >> >> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template >> >> We could have >> >> ---- >> >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, >> sideeffects etc.] >> >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >> >> ---- >> >> But I would prefer: >> ---- >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, >> sideeffects etc.] >> >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >> >> ---- >> Opinions? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jacques >> >> |
A few days ago a thread was also started regarding the PR.
Is that now void? Or will it be handled in the same breath? Op vr 22 mei 2020 09:08 schreef Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]>: > Thanks All, > > I'll do that in 5 days, simple, efficient in Git. > > Jacques > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:43, James Yong a écrit : > > +1 to > > > > ---- > > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: > [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix > achieves, > > sideeffects etc.] > > > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > > > > Regards, > > James > > > > > > On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number > in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t > >> > >> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify > >> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template > >> > >> We could have > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: > [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >> > >> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >> > >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix > achieves, > >> sideeffects etc.] > >> > >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> But I would prefer: > >> ---- > >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: > [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >> > >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix > achieves, > >> sideeffects etc.] > >> > >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > >> > >> ---- > >> Opinions? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Jacques > >> > >> > |
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You mean the sonarcloud[bot] thread?
Le 22/05/2020 à 09:34, Pierre Smits a écrit : > A few days ago a thread was also started regarding the PR. > > Is that now void? Or will it be handled in the same breath? > > Op vr 22 mei 2020 09:08 schreef Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]>: > >> Thanks All, >> >> I'll do that in 5 days, simple, efficient in Git. >> >> Jacques >> >> Le 20/05/2020 à 16:43, James Yong a écrit : >>> +1 to >>> >>> ---- >>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >> achieves, >>> sideeffects etc.] >>> >>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>> ---- >>> >>> Regards, >>> James >>> >>> >>> On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number >> in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t >>>> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify >>>> >>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template >>>> We could have >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>> >>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >> achieves, >>>> sideeffects etc.] >>>> >>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> But I would prefer: >>>> ---- >>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >> achieves, >>>> sideeffects etc.] >>>> >>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Opinions? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> |
I meant this one:
https://ofbiz.markmail.org/message/zllitqewumbefwd2?q=Github+PR+request+list:org%2Eapache%2Eofbiz%2Edev+order:date-backward&page=1 Met vriendelijke groet, Pierre Smits *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since 2008 (without privileges) *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]> wrote: > You mean the sonarcloud[bot] thread? > > Le 22/05/2020 à 09:34, Pierre Smits a écrit : > > A few days ago a thread was also started regarding the PR. > > > > Is that now void? Or will it be handled in the same breath? > > > > Op vr 22 mei 2020 09:08 schreef Jacques Le Roux < > > [hidden email]>: > > > >> Thanks All, > >> > >> I'll do that in 5 days, simple, efficient in Git. > >> > >> Jacques > >> > >> Le 20/05/2020 à 16:43, James Yong a écrit : > >>> +1 to > >>> > >>> ---- > >>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: > >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix > >> achieves, > >>> sideeffects etc.] > >>> > >>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > >>> ---- > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> James > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> > >> wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira > number > >> in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t > >>>> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify > >>>> > >>>> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template > >>>> We could have > >>>> > >>>> ---- > >>>> > >>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: > >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >>>> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >>>> > >>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix > >> achieves, > >>>> sideeffects etc.] > >>>> > >>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > >>>> > >>>> ---- > >>>> > >>>> But I would prefer: > >>>> ---- > >>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: > >> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > >>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix > >> achieves, > >>>> sideeffects etc.] > >>>> > >>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > >>>> > >>>> ---- > >>>> Opinions? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> Jacques > >>>> > >>>> > |
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I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-11298 for that
Le 22/05/2020 à 08:58, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : > Thanks All, > > I'll do that in 5 days, simple, efficient in Git. > > Jacques > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:43, James Yong a écrit : >> +1 to >> >> ---- >> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >> >> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, >> sideeffects etc.] >> >> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >> ---- >> >> Regards, >> James >> >> >> On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t >>> >>> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template >>> >>> We could have >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>> >>> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>> >>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, >>> sideeffects etc.] >>> >>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> But I would prefer: >>> ---- >>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>> >>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, >>> sideeffects etc.] >>> >>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>> >>> ---- >>> Opinions? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> |
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See the thread
Le 22/05/2020 à 11:01, Pierre Smits a écrit : > I meant this one: > https://ofbiz.markmail.org/message/zllitqewumbefwd2?q=Github+PR+request+list:org%2Eapache%2Eofbiz%2Edev+order:date-backward&page=1 > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Pierre Smits > *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since > 2008 (without privileges) > > *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* > *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* > Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer > Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jacques Le Roux < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> You mean the sonarcloud[bot] thread? >> >> Le 22/05/2020 à 09:34, Pierre Smits a écrit : >>> A few days ago a thread was also started regarding the PR. >>> >>> Is that now void? Or will it be handled in the same breath? >>> >>> Op vr 22 mei 2020 09:08 schreef Jacques Le Roux < >>> [hidden email]>: >>> >>>> Thanks All, >>>> >>>> I'll do that in 5 days, simple, efficient in Git. >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> Le 20/05/2020 à 16:43, James Yong a écrit : >>>>> +1 to >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >>>> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >>>> achieves, >>>>> sideeffects etc.] >>>>> >>>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>>>> ---- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2020/05/20 09:01:45, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira >> number >>>> in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t >>>>>> If nobody disagree I'd like to modify >>>>>> >>>>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template >>>>>> We could have >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >>>> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>>>> [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>>>> >>>>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >>>> achieves, >>>>>> sideeffects etc.] >>>>>> >>>>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> But I would prefer: >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: >>>> [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] >>>>>> [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix >>>> achieves, >>>>>> sideeffects etc.] >>>>>> >>>>>> [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] >>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Opinions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> |
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-- Best Regards, Suraj Khurana Senior Technical Consultant On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jacques Le Roux < [hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in > the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t > > If nobody disagree I'd like to modify > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template > > We could have > > ---- > > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira > title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > > But I would prefer: > ---- > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira > title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > Opinions? > > Thanks > > Jacques > > |
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Thanks. -- Mridul Pathak > On 20-May-2020, at 2:31 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hi, > > With Git IMO it's convenient (more information) to have the Jira number in the title, eg: https://markmail.org/message/cyslglyoh5gf7l7t > > If nobody disagree I'd like to modify > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+commit+message+template > > We could have > > ---- > > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > > But I would prefer: > ---- > [Implemented | Improved | Fixed | Completed| Documented | Reverted]: [Jira title | Free text] [(OFBIZ-xxxx)] > > [More detailed explanation of what has been done and what the fix achieves, > sideeffects etc.] > > [Thanks:] [xxxx for ... and yyyy for] > > ---- > Opinions? > > Thanks > > Jacques > |
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