OFBiz Premier League – Reviewers Choice Award

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

(I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).

The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)

Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )

The 6 teams were :

  *

    Team-1 - MV Controller

  *

    Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics

  *

    Team-3 - OFgrammers

  *

    Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor

  *

    Team-5 - OS Code Breakers

  *

    Team-6 - SO Architects

Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k

Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.

*IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any
of the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of
any of the teams.


_*Rate The Teams*_

To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from
1 (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC

Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
17^th November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll
find out which team has won the award.

Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
that have been made.

Thanks
Sharan

[taher]

I just want to say amazing work you guys!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>
> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>
> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>
> The 6 teams were :
>
>  *
>
>    Team-1 - MV Controller
>
>  *
>
>    Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>
>  *
>
>    Team-3 - OFgrammers
>
>  *
>
>    Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>
>  *
>
>    Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>
>  *
>
>    Team-6 - SO Architects
>
> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>
> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>
> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any of
> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any of
> the teams.
>
>
> _*Rate The Teams*_
>
> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from 1
> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>
> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on 17^th
> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
> which team has won the award.
>
> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions that
> have been made.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Sharan,

Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson to the
OFBiz project.

Best regards

Pierre Smits

ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services

OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>
> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>
> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>
> The 6 teams were :
>
>  *
>
>    Team-1 - MV Controller
>
>  *
>
>    Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>
>  *
>
>    Team-3 - OFgrammers
>
>  *
>
>    Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>
>  *
>
>    Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>
>  *
>
>    Team-6 - SO Architects
>
> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>
> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>
> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any of
> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any of
> the teams.
>
>
> _*Rate The Teams*_
>
> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from 1
> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>
> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on 17^th
> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
> which team has won the award.
>
> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions that
> have been made.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>

[Divesh Dutta-2]

Pierre,

Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what Sharan
is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members in
it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.


Thanks
--
Divesh Dutta.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Sharan,
>
> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson to the
> OFBiz project.
>
> Best regards
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone
> >
> > (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
> >
> > The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
> > OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
> > found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
> >
> > Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
> > ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
> > 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
> > Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
> > Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
> >
> > The 6 teams were :
> >
> >  *
> >
> >    Team-1 - MV Controller
> >
> >  *
> >
> >    Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
> >
> >  *
> >
> >    Team-3 - OFgrammers
> >
> >  *
> >
> >    Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
> >
> >  *
> >
> >    Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
> >
> >  *
> >
> >    Team-6 - SO Architects
> >
> > Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
> > over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
> >
> > Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
> > each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
> > going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
> > winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
> > will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
> >
> > *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any
> of
> > the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any of
> > the teams.
> >
> >
> > _*Rate The Teams*_
> >
> > To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
> > each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from
> 1
> > (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
> >
> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
> >
> > Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
> > teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
> 17^th
> > November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
> > which team has won the award.
> >
> > Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
> that
> > have been made.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
> >
> >
>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,

First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems it's best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic result,
reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an opinion about it is clearly technical!

This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done by the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people will have
the time to seriously decide which team did the best work. Sorry but I'll not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so maybe Jacopo, Anil, Scott
and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you guys, you are so many) will because they did not participate and I guess it was on purpose?

About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and not someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were already
quite organised.

This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are officially working with HotWax now?

Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is always a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still 300 new
issues waiting now ;)
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800

Jacques


Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :

> Pierre,
>
> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what Sharan
> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members in
> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
>
>
> Thanks
> --
> Divesh Dutta.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sharan,
>>
>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson to the
>> OFBiz project.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone
>>>
>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>>>
>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>>>
>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>>>
>>> The 6 teams were :
>>>
>>>   *
>>>
>>>     Team-1 - MV Controller
>>>
>>>   *
>>>
>>>     Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>>>
>>>   *
>>>
>>>     Team-3 - OFgrammers
>>>
>>>   *
>>>
>>>     Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>>>
>>>   *
>>>
>>>     Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>>>
>>>   *
>>>
>>>     Team-6 - SO Architects
>>>
>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>>>
>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>>>
>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any
>> of
>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any of
>>> the teams.
>>>
>>>
>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
>>>
>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from
>> 1
>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>>>
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>>>
>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
>> 17^th
>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
>>> which team has won the award.
>>>
>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
>> that
>>> have been made.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>>

[Jacques Le Roux]

Oops sorry my dashboard was not shared, it is now, same link https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800

Jacques


Le 11/11/2016 à 19:30, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

> Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,
>
> First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems it's best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic result,
> reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an opinion about it is clearly technical!
>
> This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done by the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people will have
> the time to seriously decide which team did the best work. Sorry but I'll not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so maybe Jacopo, Anil,
> Scott and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you guys, you are so many) will because they did not participate and I guess it was on purpose?
>
> About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and not someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were
> already quite organised.
>
> This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are officially working with HotWax now?
>
> Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is always a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still 300 new
> issues waiting now ;)
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :
>> Pierre,
>>
>> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what Sharan
>> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members in
>> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Divesh Dutta.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sharan,
>>>
>>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson to the
>>> OFBiz project.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>
>>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>>>>
>>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
>>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
>>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>>>>
>>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
>>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
>>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
>>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
>>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>>>>
>>>> The 6 teams were :
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-1 - MV Controller
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-3 - OFgrammers
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-6 - SO Architects
>>>>
>>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
>>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>>>>
>>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
>>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
>>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
>>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
>>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any
>>> of
>>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any of
>>>> the teams.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
>>>>
>>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
>>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from
>>> 1
>>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>>>>
>>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
>>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
>>> 17^th
>>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
>>>> which team has won the award.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
>>> that
>>>> have been made.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

[Bilgin Ibryam-2]

Any effort to help make OFBiz better is worth an applause. Well done
HWM and Sharan.

Bilgin


On 11 November 2016 at 21:30, Jacques Le Roux
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Oops sorry my dashboard was not shared, it is now, same link
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 11/11/2016 à 19:30, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,
>>
>> First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems it's
>> best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic result,
>> reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an opinion about it is
>> clearly technical!
>>
>> This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done by
>> the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people will have
>> the time to seriously decide which team did the best work. Sorry but I'll
>> not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so maybe Jacopo, Anil, Scott
>> and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you guys, you are so many) will
>> because they did not participate and I guess it was on purpose?
>>
>> About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and not
>> someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were already
>> quite organised.
>>
>> This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are officially
>> working with HotWax now?
>>
>> Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is always
>> a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still 300 new
>> issues waiting now ;)
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :
>>>
>>> Pierre,
>>>
>>> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what
>>> Sharan
>>> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members in
>>> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Divesh Dutta.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sharan,
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson to
>>>> the
>>>> OFBiz project.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>>>>>
>>>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
>>>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
>>>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>>>>>
>>>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
>>>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
>>>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the
>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
>>>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>>>>>
>>>>> The 6 teams were :
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-1 - MV Controller
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-3 - OFgrammers
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-6 - SO Architects
>>>>>
>>>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
>>>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following
>>>>> link:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>>>>>
>>>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
>>>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
>>>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
>>>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and
>>>>> winner
>>>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any
>>>>> of
>>>>> the teams.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
>>>>>
>>>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
>>>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work
>>>>> from
>>>>
>>>> 1
>>>>>
>>>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
>>>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
>>>>
>>>> 17^th
>>>>>
>>>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
>>>>> which team has won the award.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> have been made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>

--
Bilgin Ibryam
Camel Committer at ASF & Integration Architect at Red Hat
Blog: http://ofbizian.com | Twitter: @bibryam

Camel Design Patterns https://leanpub.com/camel-design-patterns
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[Scott Gray-3]

Hi Sharan,

If you could extend the deadline a few days it would be appreciated, I
haven't yet been able to read through all of the submissions.

Thanks
Scott

On 13 November 2016 at 09:22, Bilgin Ibryam <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Any effort to help make OFBiz better is worth an applause. Well done
> HWM and Sharan.
>
> Bilgin
>
>
> On 11 November 2016 at 21:30, Jacques Le Roux
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Oops sorry my dashboard was not shared, it is now, same link
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?
> selectPageId=12310800
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 11/11/2016 à 19:30, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,
> >>
> >> First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems
> it's
> >> best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic result,
> >> reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an opinion about
> it is
> >> clearly technical!
> >>
> >> This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done
> by
> >> the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people will
> have
> >> the time to seriously decide which team did the best work. Sorry but
> I'll
> >> not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so maybe Jacopo, Anil,
> Scott
> >> and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you guys, you are so many) will
> >> because they did not participate and I guess it was on purpose?
> >>
> >> About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and
> not
> >> someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were
> already
> >> quite organised.
> >>
> >> This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are
> officially
> >> working with HotWax now?
> >>
> >> Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is
> always
> >> a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still 300 new
> >> issues waiting now ;)
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?
> selectPageId=12310800
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Pierre,
> >>>
> >>> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what
> >>> Sharan
> >>> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members
> in
> >>> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> --
> >>> Divesh Dutta.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Sharan,
> >>>>
> >>>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>> OFBiz project.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierre Smits
> >>>>
> >>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> >>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
> >>>>
> >>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> >>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Everyone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because
> their
> >>>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can
> be
> >>>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
> >>>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th
> November
> >>>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the
> >>>>> OFBiz
> >>>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the
> 'Reviewers
> >>>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The 6 teams were :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Team-1 - MV Controller
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Team-3 - OFgrammers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Team-6 - SO Architects
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions
> made
> >>>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following
> >>>>> link:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score
> for
> >>>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and
> it's
> >>>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and
> the
> >>>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and
> >>>>> winner
> >>>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with
> any
> >>>>
> >>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of
> any
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> the teams.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name
> of
> >>>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work
> >>>>> from
> >>>>
> >>>> 1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
> >>>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
> >>>>
> >>>> 17^th
> >>>>>
> >>>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find
> out
> >>>>> which team has won the award.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
> >>>>
> >>>> that
> >>>>>
> >>>>> have been made.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Sharan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bilgin Ibryam
> Camel Committer at ASF & Integration Architect at Red Hat
> Blog: http://ofbizian.com | Twitter: @bibryam
>
> Camel Design Patterns https://leanpub.com/camel-design-patterns
> Instant Apache Camel Message Routing http://www.amazon.com/dp/1783283475
>

[Sharan-F]

Hi Jacques

I'm helping out at Apachecon in Seville so havent had much time to
follow the mailing lists. I've included some responses below:

I cross posted this for several reasons.

  *

    This is an informational message and not a discussion thread

  *

    All the changes done by these teams benefit our users so it made
    sense to me to let our users take a look at what has been done and
    be able to vote for or rate teams that have implemented the features
    they like

  *

    Developer based questions are sometimes raised on our user list
    instead of our dev list, meaning that some of our technical
    community prefer using our user list rather than the dev one, so the
    message would reach them too

I disagree that giving an opinion or rating to the teams is clearly
technical. Each of the teams have prepared a report summarising what
they have done. Everyone is free to rate the teams based on their own
criteria. If you want to rate them based on their coding techniques then
you are free to do that and if someone else wants to rate them based on
the features they have implemented then in my view that is also
perfectly acceptable. This is an award where the OFBiz community choose,
so why limit that to only developers when the work being done affects
our user base too.

Remember that this OFBiz Premier League initiative was open to anyone
from the OFBiz community – so anyone could have formed a team and become
involved. It just so happened that no-one else did.

Also as I'd put together all the community surveys and had access to the
tool, I was asked if I could create one to rate the teams, so it also
made sense to for me send out the communications as well as the survey
links. (So in response to your question No – I am not working for Hotwax)

I think that we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that everyone in the
teams did these contributions in their own free time as individuals who
wanted to contribute to OFBiz and not as paid Hotwax employees. If this
was a paid effort instead of a voluntary effort, then I would probably
have a different view but this is something that was done voluntarily
for the community by other members of the community and to me that is
all that counts.

Thanks
Sharan



On 11/11/16 19:30, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,
>
> First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems
> it's best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic
> result, reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an
> opinion about it is clearly technical!
>
> This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done
> by the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people
> will have the time to seriously decide which team did the best work.
> Sorry but I'll not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so
> maybe Jacopo, Anil, Scott and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you
> guys, you are so many) will because they did not participate and I
> guess it was on purpose?
>
> About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and
> not someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were
> already quite organised.
>
> This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are
> officially working with HotWax now?
>
> Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is
> always a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still
> 300 new issues waiting now ;)
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800 
>
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :
>> Pierre,
>>
>> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what
>> Sharan
>> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community
>> members in
>> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Divesh Dutta.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sharan,
>>>
>>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson
>>> to the
>>> OFBiz project.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Pierre Smits
>>>
>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>
>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>
>>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>>>>
>>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because
>>>> their
>>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details
>>>> can be
>>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>>>>
>>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
>>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th
>>>> November
>>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the
>>>> OFBiz
>>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the
>>>> 'Reviewers
>>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>>>>
>>>> The 6 teams were :
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-1 - MV Controller
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-3 - OFgrammers
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>>>>
>>>>   *
>>>>
>>>>     Team-6 - SO Architects
>>>>
>>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
>>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following
>>>> link:
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>>>>
>>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score
>>>> for
>>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
>>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and
>>>> the
>>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and
>>>> winner
>>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with
>>>> any
>>> of
>>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of
>>>> any of
>>>> the teams.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
>>>>
>>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the
>>>> name of
>>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work
>>>> from
>>> 1
>>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>>>>
>>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
>>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
>>> 17^th
>>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find
>>>> out
>>>> which team has won the award.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
>>> that
>>>> have been made.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>

[Sharan-F]

Hi Scott

No problem - with Apachecon and our OFBiz track this week, it is
probably a good idea to extend it so let's make it the 22nd November
instead.

Thanks
Sharan

On 15/11/16 23:00, Scott Gray wrote:

> Hi Sharan,
>
> If you could extend the deadline a few days it would be appreciated, I
> haven't yet been able to read through all of the submissions.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
> On 13 November 2016 at 09:22, Bilgin Ibryam <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Any effort to help make OFBiz better is worth an applause. Well done
>> HWM and Sharan.
>>
>> Bilgin
>>
>>
>> On 11 November 2016 at 21:30, Jacques Le Roux
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Oops sorry my dashboard was not shared, it is now, same link
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?
>> selectPageId=12310800
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 11/11/2016 à 19:30, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>> Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,
>>>>
>>>> First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems
>> it's
>>>> best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic result,
>>>> reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an opinion about
>> it is
>>>> clearly technical!
>>>>
>>>> This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done
>> by
>>>> the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people will
>> have
>>>> the time to seriously decide which team did the best work. Sorry but
>> I'll
>>>> not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so maybe Jacopo, Anil,
>> Scott
>>>> and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you guys, you are so many) will
>>>> because they did not participate and I guess it was on purpose?
>>>>
>>>> About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and
>> not
>>>> someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were
>> already
>>>> quite organised.
>>>>
>>>> This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are
>> officially
>>>> working with HotWax now?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is
>> always
>>>> a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still 300 new
>>>> issues waiting now ;)
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?
>> selectPageId=12310800
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :
>>>>> Pierre,
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members
>> in
>>>>> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> --
>>>>> Divesh Dutta.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sharan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson
>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> OFBiz project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because
>> their
>>>>>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can
>> be
>>>>>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
>>>>>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th
>> November
>>>>>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the
>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the
>> 'Reviewers
>>>>>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 6 teams were :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Team-1 - MV Controller
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Team-3 - OFgrammers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Team-6 - SO Architects
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions
>> made
>>>>>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following
>>>>>>> link:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score
>> for
>>>>>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and
>> it's
>>>>>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and
>> the
>>>>>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and
>>>>>>> winner
>>>>>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with
>> any
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of
>> any
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the teams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name
>> of
>>>>>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
>>>>>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
>>>>>> 17^th
>>>>>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find
>> out
>>>>>>> which team has won the award.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> have been made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bilgin Ibryam
>> Camel Committer at ASF & Integration Architect at Red Hat
>> Blog: http://ofbizian.com | Twitter: @bibryam
>>
>> Camel Design Patterns https://leanpub.com/camel-design-patterns
>> Instant Apache Camel Message Routing http://www.amazon.com/dp/1783283475
>>

[Paul Piper]

I have to agree with Jacques on this one. The concept of the project clearly states that it was an Hotwax event, so let's not fool anyone

http://opl.ofbiz.us/the-concept/ 

"idea is to explore new domain in OFBiz you never worked before.
Idea is to get expertise in domain in which you worked in past.
 Idea is to get a better team as the outcome of this event.
Idea is to know the importance of community contribution.
Idea is to be aware of all current affairs in OFBiz Community.
Idea is to show the world The Team HotWax."

I don't think the concept reads "let's all chime in" - or that others were asked to participate. So claiming otherwise seems rather far fetched, wouldn't you say?

That being said though: to all the individuals over at hotwax who participated in the events. All your work is appreciated none the less, so well done you.

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Sharan,

Thanks for what you are doing for the OFBiz community and the ASF at large :)

I now understand the cross posting.

I tried to review all commits (simple ones cursorily) of the OPL effort (but could not during the last weekend), that's maybe why I thought it was
"clearly technical".

After this work, I must say I did not had the courage to read all the reports after seeing the 1st one was already 28 pages. Now that I read it again
and see that others are shorter, I'll maybe have another look...

I understand giving an opinion based on these reports is not of a crucial importance, but I still believe it's hard to sincerely rate the teams based
only on these reports.

Thanks for clarifying, I already knew it was a volunteer effort, which makes it even more impressive.

Congrats to all the participants, the amount of work which has been done is amazing and benefits to all the community!

Jacques


Le 15/11/2016 à 23:45, Sharan Foga a écrit :

> Hi Jacques
>
> I'm helping out at Apachecon in Seville so havent had much time to follow the mailing lists. I've included some responses below:
>
> I cross posted this for several reasons.
>
>  *
>
>    This is an informational message and not a discussion thread
>
>  *
>
>    All the changes done by these teams benefit our users so it made
>    sense to me to let our users take a look at what has been done and
>    be able to vote for or rate teams that have implemented the features
>    they like
>
>  *
>
>    Developer based questions are sometimes raised on our user list
>    instead of our dev list, meaning that some of our technical
>    community prefer using our user list rather than the dev one, so the
>    message would reach them too
>
> I disagree that giving an opinion or rating to the teams is clearly technical. Each of the teams have prepared a report summarising what they have
> done. Everyone is free to rate the teams based on their own criteria. If you want to rate them based on their coding techniques then you are free to
> do that and if someone else wants to rate them based on the features they have implemented then in my view that is also perfectly acceptable. This
> is an award where the OFBiz community choose, so why limit that to only developers when the work being done affects our user base too.
>
> Remember that this OFBiz Premier League initiative was open to anyone from the OFBiz community – so anyone could have formed a team and become
> involved. It just so happened that no-one else did.
>
> Also as I'd put together all the community surveys and had access to the tool, I was asked if I could create one to rate the teams, so it also made
> sense to for me send out the communications as well as the survey links. (So in response to your question No – I am not working for Hotwax)
>
> I think that we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that everyone in the teams did these contributions in their own free time as individuals who wanted
> to contribute to OFBiz and not as paid Hotwax employees. If this was a paid effort instead of a voluntary effort, then I would probably have a
> different view but this is something that was done voluntarily for the community by other members of the community and to me that is all that counts.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
> On 11/11/16 19:30, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi Divesh, Sharan, Pierre,
>>
>> First I think it's better to not cross post this thread, and it seems it's best placed here, in dev ML. Because, if we expect a realistic result,
>> reviewing the work done by the HotWax team and giving an opinion about it is clearly technical!
>>
>> This said, it was already an overwhelming task to review the work done by the HotWax team (thanks you all!) and I don't think much people will have
>> the time to seriously decide which team did the best work. Sorry but I'll not. Maybe inside HotWax it's easier to decide, so maybe Jacopo, Anil,
>> Scott and maybe some others I miss (sorry for you guys, you are so many) will because they did not participate and I guess it was on purpose?
>>
>> About Pierre's answer, I must say I was also surprised that Sharan and not someone from HotWax asked for feedback. Because her questions were
>> already quite organised.
>>
>> This is minor regarding the question, but maybe Sharan you are officially working with HotWax now?
>>
>> Anyway thanks to all who worked on these issues, improving OBFiz is always a good aim and your effort was quite impressive! We have still 300 new
>> issues waiting now ;)
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12310800
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 11/11/2016 à 09:32, Divesh Dutta a écrit :
>>> Pierre,
>>>
>>> Instead of taunting, you should understand the bigger cause for what Sharan
>>> is doing it. Overall OPL effort and involving others community members in
>>> it is for bigger cause and sake of OFBiz and its community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Divesh Dutta.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Pierre Smits <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sharan,
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations regarding your new assignment as HotWax spokesperson to the
>>>> OFBiz project.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
>>>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>>>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>>>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Sharan Foga <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'm posting this on both user and dev lists).
>>>>>
>>>>> The Hotwax Systems teams desperately need your help! Why? Because their
>>>>> OFBiz Premier League (OPL) competition ended this month. Details can be
>>>>> found at http://opl.ofbiz.us/)
>>>>>
>>>>> Six teams were competing for points to improve OFBiz by contributing
>>>>> ideas, code, documentation, developments and bug fixes. On 5th November
>>>>> 2016 - the 6 month time period ended and now feedback from all the OFBiz
>>>>> Community is needed to choose the team that will receive the 'Reviewers
>>>>> Choice Award'. (Note: The Reviewers are the OFBiz Community :-) )
>>>>>
>>>>> The 6 teams were :
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-1 - MV Controller
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-2 - OFBiz Fanatics
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-3 - OFgrammers
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-4 - OS Biz Contributor
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-5 - OS Code Breakers
>>>>>
>>>>>   *
>>>>>
>>>>>     Team-6 - SO Architects
>>>>>
>>>>> Each team has prepared a report with details of the contributions made
>>>>> over the last 6 months. These reports can be found at the following link:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxupAk96lggNTm0zT3A2alNRY1k
>>>>>
>>>>> Please take a look at the reports and then assign your rating score for
>>>>> each team. (I've taken a quick preview of the reports already and it's
>>>>> going to be a tough decision!). All the scores will be totalled and the
>>>>> winning team will be the one with the most points. The scores and winner
>>>>> will be announced on the OFBiz mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE*: All the Hotwax team members who are involved with any
>>>> of
>>>>> the OPL teams _*will not*_ participate in the rating or scoring of any of
>>>>> the teams.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _*Rate The Teams*_
>>>>>
>>>>> To rate the teams I've setup a short survey (see link) with the name of
>>>>> each team and a sliding scale that you can rate them and their work from
>>>> 1
>>>>> (Poor) to 10 (Excellent).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXW7KVC
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone from the OFBiz Community can participate in the rating the OPL
>>>>> teams. The survey will be open for the next 7 days and will close on
>>>> 17^th
>>>>> November 2016. The scores will be totalled and hopefully we'll find out
>>>>> which team has won the award.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck to all the teams and thanks for all the OFBiz contributions
>>>> that
>>>>> have been made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
>

[Sharan Foga]

Hi Paul

I know that based on the information you've found that you seem to be a little sceptical that it was open to non Hotwax teams but I know that the invitation definitely was made, so this is not an attempt to mislead the community.

Looking through the mailing list archive I couldn't find anything so I suspect that it was done via the HipChat channel around the time that the league was started.

It's up to you to decide what you think is the truth. If you believe me then that's fine and if you don't believe me, then that's fine too.

Thanks
Sharan

On 2016-11-16 09:00 (+0100), Paul Piper <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have to agree with Jacques on this one. The concept of the project clearly
> states that it was an OFBiz event, so let's not fool anyone
>
> http://opl.ofbiz.us/the-concept/ 
>
> "idea is to explore new domain in OFBiz you never worked before.
> Idea is to get expertise in domain in which you worked in past.
>  Idea is to get a better team as the outcome of this event.
> Idea is to know the importance of community contribution.
> Idea is to be aware of all current affairs in OFBiz Community.
> *Idea is to show the world The Team HotWax.*"
>
> I don't think the concept reads "let's all chime in" - or that others were
> asked to participate. So claiming otherwise seems rather far fetched,
> wouldn't you say?
>
> That being said though: to all the individuals over at hotwax who
> participated in the events. All your work is appreciated none the less, so
> well done you.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-Premier-League-Reviewers-Choice-Award-tp4699250p4699330.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

[Paul Piper]

Sharan,

I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's really the discussion. Everybody (myself including) can be blamed for cross-promotion of his own work. I have no problem with that, unless it gets out of hand. However, I think a bit of an honesty in an open source community like this should always be in place: When there are events done by companies to promote themselves and their services, then it is simply dishonest to claim that they are community driven projects. It takes away from the Apache brand and makes the community look a lot weaker than it really is.

This has nothing to do with the promotional aspect itself. I have no doubts that I am guilty of also naming scipioerp, too. I do that, because in my eye it is beneficial for other parties to rely on third party providers to have somebody accountable for a product. This community cannot provide the services itself or deliver a product that is entirely up to standards ootb (hence the focus on being a framework), so it is a mutually beneficial agreement. I therefore have no problems with hotwax promoting their services either.

I do have to point out, however, that there is a distinction between the community and a third party provider. One is not the other and does not speak or represent the other. Like I mentioned, the hotwax event was just that: a hotwax event with the intention to spark interest in hotwax services. Telling us otherwise is a dishonesty this community does not deserve.

Regards,
Paul

[Paul Piper]

As an afterthought:

The domain ofbiz.us is owned by Hotwax, too. It also uses the logo as part of the branding, despite focussing on hotwax services. I am not sure how I feel about a company taking claim over the apache brand, nor would I know if that's legally possible. But it doesn't scream "honesty" either.

[Scott Gray-3]

I guess it all depends on how cynical you want to be.  I wasn't very
involved with the effort but my understanding was that it was an attempt to
get HotWax devs more involved in the open source project and interacting
with the community more.  The community days have been occurring a lot
longer than the duration of this OPL event, but I guess some people
wouldn't know that, because it isn't about promotion.  OPL was just
something fun to add some competitive spirit to the existing community days.

I don't really see how it was promotional for HotWax, I'm struggling to
find much promotion of the effort in the dev list other than this thread,
all other threads I could find just referenced "community day" and no
mention of the company.  Given the hundreds (or thousands?) of hours of
work contributed to the effort, I don't really see how this could be some
masterful ploy to promote the company, the project is the only winner here.

The devs involved that I've met really care about OFBiz and I'm sure it is
disheartening for them to read the negative emails in this thread.  The
amount of work contributed was significant and they should be proud of what
they accomplished.

Regards
Scott

On 26 November 2016 at 04:20, Paul Piper <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sharan,
>
> I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's really the
> discussion. Everybody (myself including) can be blamed for cross-promotion
> of his own work. I have no problem with that, unless it gets out of hand.
> However, I think a bit of an honesty in an open source community like this
> should always be in place: When there are events done by companies to
> promote themselves and their services, then it is simply dishonest to claim
> that they are community driven projects. It takes away from the Apache
> brand
> and makes the community look a lot weaker than it really is.
>
> This has nothing to do with the promotional aspect itself. I have no doubts
> that I am guilty of also naming scipioerp, too. I do that, because in my
> eye
> it is beneficial for other parties to rely on third party providers to have
> somebody accountable for a product. This community cannot provide the
> services itself or deliver a product that is entirely up to standards ootb
> (hence the focus on being a framework), so it is a mutually beneficial
> agreement. I therefore have no problems with hotwax promoting their
> services
> either.
>
> I do have to point out, however, that there is a distinction between the
> community and a third party provider. One is not the other and does not
> speak or represent the other. Like I mentioned, the hotwax event was just
> that: a hotwax event with the intention to spark interest in hotwax
> services. Telling us otherwise is a dishonesty this community does not
> deserve.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.
> com/OFBiz-Premier-League-Reviewers-Choice-Award-tp4699250p4699613.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

[Paul Piper]

Scott, your image is on that website, too, you know...

 

[Scott Gray-3]

What's your point?

On 27/11/2016 03:00, "Paul Piper" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Scott, your image is on that website, too, you know...
>
> <http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/file/n4699627/
> OFBiz_Premier_League_%E2%80%93_The_League_of_Like_Minded_Professionals.png
> >
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.
> com/OFBiz-Premier-League-Reviewers-Choice-Award-tp4699250p4699627.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

[Michael Brohl-3]

Paul,

the Hotwax team has spent a lot of effort over a long period of time and
contributes a lot. I cannot see much promotion from them in the official
mailing lists but even if there was some, it would be well deserved. I
really appreciate the work and contributions they do, and they do it in
an unpretentious and friendly way.

I find it disturbing that you are attacking them and Sharan in this way
and blaming them to be dishonest is insulting.

The only one that I am aware of doing open promotion for himself seems
to be yourself by answering questions in the mailing lists by only
pointing to your OFBiz fork instead of giving a helping answer. Even in
the below post you spent one of three paragraphs promoting your solution
and explaining that the community is not able to deliver a proper
solution so you had to do it.

And, by the way, what prevents you from contributing your work to OFBiz
to make it up to standards?

In my opinion, that comes much closer to dishonesty.

Regards,

Michael

PS: For the record: I am not endorsed by or affiliated with HotWax in
any way.



Am 25.11.16 um 16:20 schrieb Paul Piper:

> Sharan,
>
> I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's really the
> discussion. Everybody (myself including) can be blamed for cross-promotion
> of his own work. I have no problem with that, unless it gets out of hand.
> However, I think a bit of an honesty in an open source community like this
> should always be in place: When there are events done by companies to
> promote themselves and their services, then it is simply dishonest to claim
> that they are community driven projects. It takes away from the Apache brand
> and makes the community look a lot weaker than it really is.
>
> This has nothing to do with the promotional aspect itself. I have no doubts
> that I am guilty of also naming scipioerp, too. I do that, because in my eye
> it is beneficial for other parties to rely on third party providers to have
> somebody accountable for a product. This community cannot provide the
> services itself or deliver a product that is entirely up to standards ootb
> (hence the focus on being a framework), so it is a mutually beneficial
> agreement. I therefore have no problems with hotwax promoting their services
> either.
>
> I do have to point out, however, that there is a distinction between the
> community and a third party provider. One is not the other and does not
> speak or represent the other. Like I mentioned, the hotwax event was just
> that: a hotwax event with the intention to spark interest in hotwax
> services. Telling us otherwise is a dishonesty this community does not
> deserve.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-Premier-League-Reviewers-Choice-Award-tp4699250p4699613.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[Paul Piper]

Michael,

I am not sure why you are complaining, we have published our work under the Apache License, so it is free of use. In addition, we tried to work with you before: Last time we contributed our work (ecomseo, Solr, axis2), it was neither picked up nor given credit. Additionally, l do feel that a product requires continuity and a focus on production-use. Neither I have seen to be of any concern around here. I don't blame anybody for this, just figured that it is not worth the trouble, so we parted ways with Scipio. Like you can tell from my post, I am still putting an interest in all this. So appreciate it, or not, that's how it is going to be.

I don't understand what any of this has anything to do with this discussion, but you can contact me any time...

Cheers,
Paul